2010-07-24 03:35 <wpwrak> lekernel: so i'm not the only one who doesn't quite understand all the buzz about the arduino ;-)
2010-07-24 03:49 <lekernel> there's a word for it: hipsterism
2010-07-24 03:52 <wpwrak> lekernel: heh ;-)
2010-07-24 03:52 <freespace> this brings to mind the word elitism
2010-07-24 03:52 <freespace> :P
2010-07-24 03:57 <bartbes> I'd say it's more like ease of use
2010-07-24 03:58 <bartbes> it's an easy way to get into 'hardware'
2010-07-24 03:58 <bartbes> hmm
2010-07-24 03:58 <bartbes> better word would be electronics
2010-07-24 03:58 <bartbes> it allows you to build pretty complicated stuff really fast
2010-07-24 03:58 <bartbes> you could say it's mostly a prototyping platform
2010-07-24 03:59 <freespace> got it in one bartbes
2010-07-24 04:14 <unclouded> can Arduino boards be used as a normal AVR development board?
2010-07-24 04:14 <bartbes> as in?
2010-07-24 04:18 <unclouded> like having spike suppression on RESET and a 10-pin header but being able to blow away the Arduino bootloader and use it like a normal AVR
2010-07-24 04:18 <freespace> you you can easily blow away the bootloader
2010-07-24 04:19 <freespace> what is spike suppression on reset?
2010-07-24 04:19 <bartbes> ofc you can overwrite the bootloader
2010-07-24 04:19 <unclouded> stops noise resetting the AVR when you didn't expect it
2010-07-24 04:19 <bartbes> provided you have a programmer
2010-07-24 04:19 <freespace> how is it done 'normally'
2010-07-24 04:20 <unclouded> a stronger pull-up and a capacitor
2010-07-24 04:20 <bartbes> well, I guess it has that
2010-07-24 04:20 <bartbes> because I have never seen it reset at random
2010-07-24 04:21 <freespace> me neither
2010-07-24 04:22 <freespace> the schematics are available online, this should be a simple thing to check
2010-07-24 04:25 <unclouded> I haven't seen one reset without the suppression parts either but Atmel still recommends those external parts for production systems
2010-07-24 04:27 <unclouded> page 15 here: http://atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/doc1619.pdf
2010-07-24 04:29 <freespace> there is at the very least a pullup :http://arduino.cc/en/uploads/Main/arduino-duemilanove-schematic.pdf
2010-07-24 04:29 <orly_owl> when is the next nanonote out
2010-07-24 04:30 <unclouded> anyway I just wondered about the Arduino boards.  I don't have any EE qualifications so I'm talking out of my hat a bit
2010-07-24 04:31 <unclouded> freespace: thanks for the schematic.  looks like C13 does spike suppression
2010-07-24 04:32 <freespace> nod
2010-07-24 05:29 <lekernel> unclouded, arduino boards are normal avr boards - nothing else...
2010-07-24 05:31 <wolfspraul> lekernel: thanks for the excellent GPS links, I never saw this project before!
2010-07-24 15:58 <qi-commits> Mirko Vogt: move metadata such as config and unpackaged files into git - directory data/ http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/e6555e7
2010-07-24 22:16 <kristianpaul> mirko: awake?
2010-07-24 22:17 <kristianpaul> mirko: are you aware of new X features in backfire openwrt?
2010-07-24 22:17 <kristianpaul> and the posibillity of give the option to run X on the xbusrt openwrt in case X could works nice?
2010-07-24 22:17 <kristianpaul> :)