2010-07-05 01:22 <roh> wolfspraul ping
2010-07-05 01:25 <wolfspraul> roh: pong, but just about to go to sleep :-
2010-07-05 01:25 <wolfspraul> :-)
2010-07-05 01:25 <wolfspraul> what's up?
2010-07-05 01:27 <roh> wolfspraul not much. just wanted to 'report' that the package arrived
2010-07-05 01:27 <wolfspraul> ah great
2010-07-05 01:27 <roh> the one with the rfm22 modules
2010-07-05 01:27 <wolfspraul> which one? I already lost track so many things going on
2010-07-05 01:27 <wolfspraul> ah OK :-)
2010-07-05 01:27 <roh> and the funky antenna-wires ;)
2010-07-05 01:27 <wolfspraul> I am with Werner in Buenos Aires and we talk about RF in the Ya NanoNote a lot
2010-07-05 01:28 <roh> didnt archieve testing it yet, but we got a rfm12project running, so i guess i will just try swapping 2 of these with the 22 and see what happens
2010-07-05 01:28 <roh> nice. (BA)
2010-07-05 01:28 <wolfspraul> yes, great
2010-07-05 01:28 <wolfspraul> the more we learn about those modules the better
2010-07-05 01:29 <roh> the datasheet to the rf22/23 reads very nice
2010-07-05 01:29 <wolfspraul> ok
2010-07-05 01:29 <wolfspraul> the modules you have are the DIP package, easy for hand-soldering and experiments
2010-07-05 01:29 <wolfspraul> also you have the high-power version (20 dbM)
2010-07-05 01:29 <roh> the question is if its more near reality than the rfm12 one (which seems to ... be creative about 'specs' sometimes
2010-07-05 01:30 <roh> yea... rfm22 seems to eat multiple times the power of a 12b
2010-07-05 01:30 <wolfspraul> supposedly, yes
2010-07-05 01:30 <roh> but the 23 should be near the 12 and still have more power
2010-07-05 01:30 <wolfspraul> software controllable in 3dBm increments I think
2010-07-05 01:30 <roh> if the table is correct
2010-07-05 01:30 <wolfspraul> it's a newer/more advanced RF IC
2010-07-05 01:31 <wolfspraul> Integration developed the RF IC in the 12/12b modules, and the modules came to market in 2006
2010-07-05 01:31 <wolfspraul> then Integration was bought by Silicon Labs, who developed the 22/23 RF IC, I would think continuing work that was already going on at Integraton (that's a guess)
2010-07-05 01:31 <roh> 2006? that cand be right
2010-07-05 01:32 <wolfspraul> the 22/23 modules came to market only this year, 4 years after the 12/12b RF IC
2010-07-05 01:32 <roh> http://www.elektronik-projekt.de/thread.php?threadid=4409 says 2004 they were avail in germany
2010-07-05 01:32 <wolfspraul> so one would think that in 4 years these guys are working on something...
2010-07-05 01:32 <wolfspraul> the dates 2006 and 2010 is for the hoperf modules
2010-07-05 01:32 <wolfspraul> maybe 2006 is wrong then and it was 2004 :-)
2010-07-05 01:33 <wolfspraul> but my point is - the RF IC in 12/12b is an old/established thing, on the market for X years
2010-07-05 01:33 <roh> i know of no rfm12 which weren't hoperf  ;) but who knows... doesnt really matter what the marketing dept wants to make us think for whatever reasons
2010-07-05 01:33 <wolfspraul> wherease the 22/23 RF IC is new, at least at hoperf only came to market this year
2010-07-05 01:33 <wolfspraul> rfm12 is a hoperf module name
2010-07-05 01:33 <wolfspraul> but I think the underlying Integration (now Silicon Labs) RF IC can be found in other places too
2010-07-05 01:34 <wolfspraul> so hopefully 22/23 is as good as they say it is, we find out
2010-07-05 01:34 <wolfspraul> thanks a lot for letting me know about the package
2010-07-05 01:35 <wolfspraul> it's already so many flights and continent changes behind that I forgot...  :-)
2010-07-05 01:35 <roh> ;)
2010-07-05 01:35 <wolfspraul> k going to sleep now
2010-07-05 01:35 <wolfspraul> werner will kick me out early tomorrow I'm sure
2010-07-05 01:36 <wolfspraul> he needs to borrow my Windows box (!)
2010-07-05 01:36 <wolfspraul> I admit I have a Windows Parallels machine...
2010-07-05 01:36 <wolfspraul> he needs it to reflash the firmware of some of his scopes, so let's see whether we can get this done tomorrow...
2010-07-05 01:38 <wolfspraul> roh: 'night, keep in touch
2010-07-05 03:22 <kyak> hm, i'm wondering, why are md5 sums of uImage/rootfs different after each make?
2010-07-05 03:23 <kyak> is it generating something unique every time?
2010-07-05 03:24 <kyak> as far as i udnerstand it, the md5 sum should be same between two consecutive runs of make
2010-07-05 04:12 <larsc> well, since it contains a file system i would guess that this is a result of different mtimes
2010-07-05 04:13 <kyak> i think it explains it
2010-07-05 04:17 <kyak> on the second thought, why would mtime change, if not files were modified?
2010-07-05 04:17 <kyak> *no files
2010-07-05 04:18 <kyak> unless they are "touched" during extraction..
2010-07-05 04:36 <larsc> there is probably at least one package which will touch its files although not striclty necessary
2010-07-05 04:37 <larsc> oh and uImage saves the time on which it was created
2010-07-05 04:40 <kyak> hm, right
2010-07-05 04:41 <kyak> ok, i want to change some uClibc options, so i go to build_dir/toolchain-mipsel_gcc-4.3.3+cs_uClibc-0.9.30.1/uClibc-0.9.30.1 and "make menuconfig" there
2010-07-05 04:42 <kyak> is it correct, or should i change config options in feeds/packages/libs/uclibc++/files/config.default?
2010-07-05 04:43 <kyak> actually what i'm trying to do is enable locale support in busybox and uclibc...
2010-07-05 04:44 <larsc> better edit config.default. otherwise it will be lost on a make clean
2010-07-05 04:44 <kyak> i thought so too
2010-07-05 04:44 <kyak> but i did make clean and it's not lost
2010-07-05 04:47 <kyak> that's also why i started looking into md5's, because i'm not sure that this change is even in the image..
2010-07-05 04:49 <kyak> i maybe need to have a look at verbose log of make to have a better understanding of what's going on.. but damn, this is a 40 Mb text file
2010-07-05 04:49 <kyak> and all openwrt's documentation is SO outdated
2010-07-05 05:10 <larsc> btw. for uclibc and not uclibc++ you need to edit toolchain/uClibc/config-${your-version}/mips
2010-07-05 05:11 <larsc> or /common
2010-07-05 05:39 <kyak> larsc: thanks for the hint!
2010-07-05 17:59 <rafa> kristianpaul: I have not understood you on mailing list..
2010-07-05 17:59 <rafa> What did you mean with "matchbox..." and "matchbox works on X" ?
2010-07-05 18:00 <rafa> kristianpaul: David (tuxbrain) was trying to say that X should work, and your answers sounded me like you think that it is not a good idea
2010-07-05 18:00 <rafa> kristianpaul: so I did not understand your mail :(
2010-07-05 18:00 <rafa> your answer*
2010-07-05 18:01 <kristianpaul> i thikn X is good idea
2010-07-05 18:01 <kristianpaul> because matchbox and all other software that run on X}
2010-07-05 18:01 <kristianpaul> i'm wrong, matchbox run on top of X inst?
2010-07-05 18:02 <rafa> yes, matchbox needs X
2010-07-05 18:02 <kristianpaul> my intention was to point that support X could bring new apps
2010-07-05 18:03 <rafa> kristianpaul: But I read Sebastien answers and I understood like he was supporting your idea that X is not a good idea..
2010-07-05 18:03 <kristianpaul> what do you understand?
2010-07-05 18:03 <rafa> But I understood all wrong :D
2010-07-05 18:03 <kristianpaul> ouch
2010-07-05 18:03 <rafa> maybe
2010-07-05 18:03 <kristianpaul> may be i need clear my point
2010-07-05 18:03 <rafa> did you read the sebastien answer?
2010-07-05 18:03 <kristianpaul> yes
2010-07-05 18:03 <kristianpaul> he hates X slowness
2010-07-05 18:03 <kristianpaul> as X itseld
2010-07-05 18:03 <kristianpaul> itself*
2010-07-05 18:03 <rafa> he sounded me like he was supporting your idea that X is not nice
2010-07-05 18:03 <kristianpaul> resuming ;)
2010-07-05 18:04 <kristianpaul> i said that?
2010-07-05 18:04 <kristianpaul> OMG
2010-07-05 18:04 <kristianpaul> wait i'll re read
2010-07-05 18:04 <rafa> NO you did not do
2010-07-05 18:04 <rafa> but the answer of him sounded me like that
2010-07-05 18:04 <rafa> He started with a " Yeah, and.. " like giving more details to support your idea.
2010-07-05 18:04 <rafa> But it is just me
2010-07-05 18:04 <rafa> You can read my answer :)
2010-07-05 18:05 <kristianpaul> hmm yes i missed some arguments
2010-07-05 18:05 <kristianpaul> hm yes he said
2010-07-05 18:05 <kristianpaul>  X at least has ben desmostrated
2010-07-05 18:05 <kristianpaul> > to work quite well in 32mb (see Jlime)
2010-07-05 18:06 <kristianpaul> then i pointed matchbox
2010-07-05 18:06 <kristianpaul> but lack in arguments
2010-07-05 18:06 <rafa> kristianpaul: and we use X on Hp jornadas .. 16MB of ram ;)
2010-07-05 18:06 <kristianpaul> my fault
2010-07-05 18:06 <rafa> and slower cpu
2010-07-05 18:06 <kristianpaul> yeah i remenber that from you too
2010-07-05 18:06 <kristianpaul> i also plya a bit with jlime and was not slowness
2010-07-05 18:06 <kristianpaul> wait i need reply again
2010-07-05 18:07 <rafa> kristianpaul: no problem.. Your answer is okey. Just that it was too short so I did not understand if you was liking X or not :)
2010-07-05 18:07 <rafa> I replied, you can read ;)
2010-07-05 18:07 <kristianpaul> done reading, good and wide argue
2010-07-05 18:07 <kristianpaul> it deserves a +1
2010-07-05 18:07 <kristianpaul> wat
2010-07-05 18:07 <kristianpaul> wait*
2010-07-05 18:10 <rafa> cool that you like X :)
2010-07-05 18:11 <kristianpaul> done reply
2010-07-05 18:11 <kristianpaul> yeah i do
2010-07-05 18:11 <kristianpaul> fb is nice but
2010-07-05 18:11 <kristianpaul> like backup
2010-07-05 18:11 <kristianpaul> in cae X ail
2010-07-05 18:11 <kristianpaul> s/ail/fail
2010-07-05 18:12 <kristianpaul> X can run lots of apps
2010-07-05 18:12 <kristianpaul> that we can reuse
2010-07-05 18:12 <kristianpaul> of course not all of then, but sure a few that worth
2010-07-05 18:12 <rafa> yes, I remember the days on vargtass development. Our main Vargtass developer has tested a lot of X applications and we all learnt a lot about that.
2010-07-05 18:13 <kristianpaul> i just i'm a pain right now
2010-07-05 18:13 <rafa> We know that X is really nice and it does not use many resources,
2010-07-05 18:13 <kristianpaul> uboot compatibillity with jlime and openwrt
2010-07-05 18:13 <rafa> almost 0 cpu and few ram. linux kernel + X + window manager  just 10MB of ram
2010-07-05 18:13 <rafa> or less.
2010-07-05 18:13 <kristianpaul> i cant ran openwrt right now just jlime :(
2010-07-05 18:13 <kristianpaul> i need openwrt for test gpsd and tangopsd wich is in the repo and works
2010-07-05 18:14 <kristianpaul> or at least install
2010-07-05 18:14 <kristianpaul> :)
2010-07-05 18:14 <kristianpaul> 10mb is few
2010-07-05 18:14 <rafa> why is not openwrt running ? :(
2010-07-05 18:14 <kristianpaul> i dotn know
2010-07-05 18:14 <kristianpaul> i just stoped after installed your uboot
2010-07-05 18:14 <kristianpaul> btw, are you running jlime in last uboot from qi?
2010-07-05 18:15 <rafa> kristianpaul: gpsd is on jlime repo.
2010-07-05 18:15 <rafa> I can upload
2010-07-05 18:15 <rafa> the library you need for tangogps
2010-07-05 18:15 <kristianpaul> i want compile Jlime my self too, as openwrt
2010-07-05 18:16 <kristianpaul> will be nice you upload nanomap and others apps intendted for nanonoe
2010-07-05 18:16 <kristianpaul> nanonote*
2010-07-05 18:16 <kristianpaul> but what about my first question?
2010-07-05 18:16 <rafa> uboot: yes
2010-07-05 18:16 <kristianpaul> oh
2010-07-05 18:16 <rafa> it runs okey with latest qi uboot
2010-07-05 18:16 <rafa> so you can do just an ext2 partition and the swap
2010-07-05 18:16 <kristianpaul> jlime had changed since last time we talked?
2010-07-05 18:16 <kristianpaul> ah!
2010-07-05 18:16 <kristianpaul> good
2010-07-05 18:17 <kristianpaul> i'll placent erase the fat one ;)
2010-07-05 18:17 <rafa> kristianpaul: no idea.. I sent an email I think about latest qi bootloader.
2010-07-05 18:17 <kristianpaul> ah ok
2010-07-05 18:17 <rafa> When I said that power button works as well.
2010-07-05 18:17 <rafa> (to power off)
2010-07-05 18:17 <kristianpaul> yeah i was one week sort disconnected
2010-07-05 18:18 <kristianpaul> i'll flash and try
2010-07-05 18:18 <kristianpaul> i got a 1GB card :D
2010-07-05 18:18 <rafa> kristianpaul: I will try to upload the library that you need for tangogps (because both, tangogps and gpsd should be on jlime repo)
2010-07-05 18:18 <rafa> ah nice!
2010-07-05 18:18 <rafa> 1GB is cool
2010-07-05 18:18 <kristianpaul> ok
2010-07-05 18:20 <rafa> kristianpaul: how was the whole conference there in Colombia? Nice?
2010-07-05 18:20 <kristianpaul> yup
2010-07-05 18:22 <rafa> cool.. I would like to go some day, I saw some pictures and I felt that the whole thing was nice to be ;)
2010-07-05 18:22 <kristianpaul> i heard, not sure there is a posible cparty in argentina
2010-07-05 18:46 <kristianpaul> rafa: wiki still need update cause is pointing creating of FAT partition
2010-07-05 18:46 <rafa> kristianpaul: yes, but if you read well you will realize that it says :
2010-07-05 18:47 <rafa> "If you use current official Qi bootloader (16-Jun-2010+) then you just need to divide the MicroSD ..."
2010-07-05 18:47 <rafa> kristianpaul: are you reading wiki installation instructions right?
2010-07-05 18:48 <kristianpaul> yes
2010-07-05 18:48 <rafa> Perhaps we forgot to write that note in other wiki places as well..
2010-07-05 18:48 <kristianpaul> well i note at all
2010-07-05 18:48 <kristianpaul> but yes
2010-07-05 18:48 <kristianpaul> i just keep in mind unzupo userland and copi umImage
2010-07-05 18:49 <rafa> kristianpaul: yes, we will move to newest qi bootloader only and we will remove the old instructions soon I guess.
2010-07-05 18:49 <kristianpaul> ok
2010-07-05 18:49 <rafa> kristianpaul:  if you have the newest qi bootloader just untar the tar.gz package on ext2
2010-07-05 18:49 <rafa> and booot :)
2010-07-05 18:49 <rafa> do not forget to do the swap, Linux likes it
2010-07-05 18:50 <qi-commits> Lars-Peter Clausen: MIPS: jz4740: pwm: Move pwm initialization to subsys_initcall http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/304fb40
2010-07-05 18:50 <rafa> kristianpaul: now I am trying to update the repository so you have all the packages tangogps needs :)
2010-07-05 18:52 <kristianpaul> oh thanks
2010-07-05 18:53 <kristianpaul> fbreader will be cool
2010-07-05 18:58 <zear> yeah, fbreader was the first thing i attempted to download from opkg ;D
2010-07-05 19:00 <kristianpaul> http://www.moresales.com.my/catalog/entry/uxwlkocd.shtml heh i saw this before ;)
2010-07-05 19:11 <kristianpaul> hey hey
2010-07-05 19:11 <kristianpaul> what about frozzen bubble !!
2010-07-05 19:11 <kristianpaul> rafa: ^
2010-07-05 19:12 <kristianpaul> if run in gp2x why not nanonote?
2010-07-05 19:12 <kristianpaul> yes is mips but.
2010-07-05 19:12 <kristianpaul> oh :D
2010-07-05 19:13 <kristianpaul> ah it saids require 54mb of ram :(
2010-07-05 19:14 <kristianpaul> nah
2010-07-05 19:15 <kristianpaul> ops
2010-07-05 19:17 <urandom_> uhm gp2x is ARM not mips
2010-07-05 19:18 <kristianpaul> 18:05 < kristianpaul> yes is mips but. < nanonote
2010-07-05 19:18 <kristianpaul> frozen bubble is SDl
2010-07-05 19:18 <kristianpaul> wonder if debian bin will run on openwrt...
2010-07-05 19:20 <urandom_> it might run
2010-07-05 19:20 <kristianpaul> se supone si
2010-07-05 19:20 <kristianpaul> ops
2010-07-05 19:32 <rafa> yeah.. frozen bubble would be nice :D
2010-07-05 19:35 <kristianpaul> jaja
2010-07-05 19:35 <kristianpaul> ops
2010-07-05 19:35 <kristianpaul> damm irssi
2010-07-05 19:35 <rafa> kristianpaul: no sure if it runs on 320x240
2010-07-05 19:35 <kristianpaul> hmm
2010-07-05 19:35 <kristianpaul> thats a good point
2010-07-05 19:40 <rafa> he :) tangogps runs :)
2010-07-05 19:40 <rafa> zear: kristianpaul : I updated the repo a bit
2010-07-05 19:40 <zear> :D
2010-07-05 19:40 <rafa> libsqlite3 is there now, and others
2010-07-05 19:40 <rafa> please, opkg update
2010-07-05 19:41 <rafa> and install the packages which failed last time
2010-07-05 19:41 <rafa> (because the lack of libsqlite3
2010-07-05 19:41 <rafa> )
2010-07-05 19:41 <rafa> kristianpaul: tangogps adds a nice icon/launcher on desktop ;)
2010-07-05 19:42 <kristianpaul> oh
2010-07-05 19:42 <rafa> alt+F4 to quit
2010-07-05 19:42 <kristianpaul> okay wait i'm formatinh 1Gb nand
2010-07-05 19:42 <rafa> alt+F1 to go desktop
2010-07-05 19:42 <rafa> kristianpaul: okey
2010-07-05 19:42 <kristianpaul> ok
2010-07-05 19:43 <kristianpaul> the uImges goes to /boot/uImage inst?
2010-07-05 19:46 <kristianpaul> okay booting :)
2010-07-05 19:50 <kristianpaul> opkg uopdating
2010-07-05 19:51 <kristianpaul> rafa: you should blog about how createa oe image for the nanonote
2010-07-05 19:51 <kristianpaul> i want play at home as with  openwrt :)
2010-07-05 19:51 <kristianpaul> and just bug you whne something breaks ;)
2010-07-05 19:53 <kristianpaul> where i can get the code (cvs git)?
2010-07-05 19:53 <kristianpaul> for jlime
2010-07-05 19:56 <rafa> kristianpaul: on documentation stuff I added something about how we did the oe thing
2010-07-05 19:57 <rafa> kristianpaul: but yes, you are right
2010-07-05 19:57 <rafa> we need more documentation, just that sometimes I do not get the whole free time for all :(
2010-07-05 20:00 <kristianpaul> np, sorry i ask too much
2010-07-05 20:01 <rafa> kristianpaul: I replied you at jlime channel :D
2010-07-05 20:07 <kristianpaul> rafa: http://ur1.ca/0k0nj
2010-07-05 23:57 <rafa> kristianpaul: you there?
2010-07-05 23:58 <rafa> kristianpaul: tangogps works okey here
2010-07-05 23:58 <rafa> from a fresh install