2010-07-04 03:28 hi,everyone i'm very interested in nano note. i want to know some infomation about  nano note 2010-07-04 03:40 hello 2010-07-04 03:46 hi 2010-07-04 03:46 hello 2010-07-04 03:46 dkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk 2010-07-04 03:46 df 2010-07-04 03:46 d 2010-07-04 03:46 f 2010-07-04 03:46 dd 2010-07-04 03:46 dffdfd 2010-07-04 04:06 arunkumar413: what information you need 2010-07-04 04:51 i want to know about the development tools that are available 2010-07-04 05:14 tuxbrain:  i want to know about the development tools that are available 2010-07-04 10:19 hello I can't download http://mister-muffin.de/nanonote/debian-sid.ubi, website is out! Where can I found other ? 2010-07-04 11:28 wolfspraul: morning.. do you know if there is some wikipedia reader effort for nn? 2010-07-04 11:29 rafa: we had several discussions in irc and the mailing list 2010-07-04 11:29 I think most people want to start with small apps that extract text-only from compressed files 2010-07-04 11:29 I'm in 3 other chats right now, maybe later... 2010-07-04 11:29 no problem, I can check mailing lists archives 2010-07-04 11:30 I was thinking the same: text only wikipedia reader 2010-07-04 11:30 and my head is starting to want to do something right now :) 2010-07-04 11:40 rafa: are you ware of wikipedia dump reader? 2010-07-04 11:41 s?ware/aware 2010-07-04 11:48 kristianpaul: yes, but that is something with hl right? 2010-07-04 11:48 html* 2010-07-04 11:49 kristianpaul: it says text only but the format is still html I guess. I want to try plain text so the whole wikipedia backup is a lot smaller 2010-07-04 11:50 kristianpaul: my current problem to try is that all my disks are very busy.. so I do not have 300GB+ free to download the current dumps and to convert them in just plain text 2010-07-04 11:51 rafa: not html 2010-07-04 11:51 xml actually 2010-07-04 11:51 kristianpaul: Do you understand my idea? I want to have a text plain wikipedia dump 2010-07-04 11:51 is indezxed 2010-07-04 11:51 xml is plain no? 2010-07-04 11:51 yes i understand 2010-07-04 11:51 yes, is plain.. but no for mi idea. Example 2010-07-04 11:51 : 2010-07-04 11:52 well you could translate to soemthing else 2010-07-04 11:54 the key is to use/reuse the .tar.bz2 files that are already being published by the WMF 2010-07-04 11:54 don't just think about the algorithms, also think about the pile of data 2010-07-04 11:54 I think that's the #1 problem that the openzim people got wrong 2010-07-04 11:54 i think wikipedia dump reader strategy is good because indexing 2010-07-04 11:54 this is a massive amount of data, and growing, and the dumps are being produced, servers running all the time 2010-07-04 11:54 we need to reuse that 2010-07-04 11:55 thats saves time and allows go to the right of data 2010-07-04 11:55 most important for me is to reuse the .tar.bz2 files that are constantly being produced and offered on WMF servers already 2010-07-04 11:55 just move wikipedia dump reader to c or something light is clue 2010-07-04 11:55 that's the only strategy that will get us to usable results fast 2010-07-04 11:55 wolfspraul: okey, but what about the sizes.. I think that current dumps in xml/html formats are still huge.. and I would like to see if plain text only would not be something nicer. 2010-07-04 11:55 the required i think is move the qt gui to soemthin g lighter 2010-07-04 11:56 cuase in depth it is C code/libs and gnu utils like grep 2010-07-04 11:56 if we could use current dumps from WMF and convert them to plain text compressed dumps we could have smallers dumps perhaps. Of course, we need to keep some nice indexes to work fast 2010-07-04 11:57 I need to check what they are offering now exactly 2010-07-04 11:57 I am just saying let's very carefully look at what files they offer for download 2010-07-04 11:57 articles 2010-07-04 11:57 there is _HUGE_ work (server load) necessary to create these files, and update them 2010-07-04 11:57 you don't want to have a server farm running somewhere only so that you can have a little more optimized format 2010-07-04 11:58 because in reality it will never happen :-) 2010-07-04 11:58 wikipedia dumo reader do some indexing but it dint take so long and don t require huge process 2010-07-04 11:58 I think that marks use lot of space.. if articles have : text1 ... it would be nicer to have just : text1 2010-07-04 11:58 without marks 2010-07-04 11:59 we canb save space but look for the articles still beeing a problem 2010-07-04 11:59 wolfspraul: also, we would not be re building the whole dumps often, I think that once a year is okey.. nobody would like to install new dumps versions every week on SD 2010-07-04 11:59 and fast acess time is important i think 2010-07-04 11:59 kristianpaul: sure.. I would like to save space being enough fast like now or better 2010-07-04 12:00 :) 2010-07-04 12:00 i dont ave time now to migrate dumo reader to C/C++ 2010-07-04 12:00 but is a taks that worth i tjink 2010-07-04 12:00 rafa: I think people want updates 2010-07-04 12:00 and more importantly, there are many wikis, not just English Wikipedia 2010-07-04 12:01 yeap 2010-07-04 12:01 fetching france wikipedia dump now 2010-07-04 12:01 so every step you think you 'quickly' run over whatever file the WMF has for download will easily turn into a _MASSIVE_ amount of work 2010-07-04 12:01 I have done this stuff as part of my work for Wikireader. 2010-07-04 12:01 anybody can try wikipedia dump reader on his nano, i cant tigh now cause my uboot is not the last one 2010-07-04 12:01 so I would really go to great lengths now to avoid doing any additional processing on top of the files being generated already on the hundreds of WMF servers 2010-07-04 12:02 and jlime dind have pyQT support isnt? 2010-07-04 12:02 instead I would focus my work on building indices or whatever is necessary to _complement_ the WMF files, then write a little reader 2010-07-04 12:02 agree 2010-07-04 12:02 index work but not as we wish 2010-07-04 12:03 collectively, the wmf has at least a few hundred GB of text data for download now :-) 2010-07-04 12:03 without pictures of course (wikimedia commons) 2010-07-04 12:03 and it's growing fast 2010-07-04 12:03 too much 2010-07-04 12:03 is HUGE 2010-07-04 12:03 teabytes 2010-07-04 12:03 ..... 2010-07-04 12:03 yes, so if we want something functioning for the NN soon, we need to build something that reuses those files 2010-07-04 12:04 everything else will end like openzim :-) 2010-07-04 12:04 wolfspraul: okey, current dumps and better indexes sounds great. I just would do the plain text dump to know how much it would save .. Just to know that detail. 2010-07-04 12:04 (don't envy those guys, I know they are still trying and working...) 2010-07-04 12:04 kristianpaul: pyqt, no idea, if it is not the repo I can check current OE sources 2010-07-04 12:04 rafa: go and do that :-) I have shuffled gigabytes of WMF data for months... 2010-07-04 12:05 into sql, out of sql, into filesystems that crashed under the load, etc... :-) 2010-07-04 12:05 :( 2010-07-04 12:05 yes 2010-07-04 12:05 wolfspraul: For those tests I need a lot of space on disks.. that I would need to join right now :( 2010-07-04 12:05 openzim tends to be unmaintainable 2010-07-04 12:05 kristianpaul: agree 2010-07-04 12:06 rafa: your space problems already start now? 2010-07-04 12:06 wolfspraul: hahaha.. so fun stuff eh?.. it brearks everything :) filesystems.. indexes.. sql tables 2010-07-04 12:06 cool 2010-07-04 12:06 I had a small cluster of 5 quad-core machines cranking on this stuff, with 4 GB RAM each etc. 2010-07-04 12:06 wolfspraul: yes, the space problem started when I was thinking to do something with the wikipedia reader for jlime 2010-07-04 12:06 aha :-) 2010-07-04 12:07 so that's why I am making my point here - just from my perspective - reusing the WMF files is the way to go 2010-07-04 12:07 let's build on top of the work they have already done 2010-07-04 12:07 rafa: you know python? 2010-07-04 12:07 (and continue to do, I believe they firmly stand behind those dump files and have full-time people on it) 2010-07-04 12:08 wolfspraul: but really, I am thinking which application would be a really good killer for the nn device.. so far people is asking which is the best application for nn, in order to want to buy one 2010-07-04 12:08 and I would like to have many different kind of applications ready 2010-07-04 12:08 wmf data would be awesome 2010-07-04 12:08 to try understand the best final market 2010-07-04 12:08 for nn 2010-07-04 12:08 also openstreetmap data, similar idea but very different data format and technical challenge 2010-07-04 12:08 I would love to have a little map in my pocket 2010-07-04 12:08 doesn't matter that it doesn't have GPS 2010-07-04 12:09 kristianpaul: just enough to fix some python code :) 2010-07-04 12:09 if it has a good index I can just enter street name and woops, I have a (color) map of my surroundings 2010-07-04 12:09 wolfspraul: that idea sounds really cool as well 2010-07-04 12:09 wolfspraul: I am adding it to the jlime TODO list :) 2010-07-04 12:09 yes, nanomap is a start, and kristianpaul is hacking on GPS modules 2010-07-04 12:09 rafa: check out nanomap 2010-07-04 12:10 let me check.. 2010-07-04 12:10 bbl 2010-07-04 12:30 hello how can i contact mister-muffin ? 2010-07-04 12:30 huh? 2010-07-04 12:30 i can't download http://mister-muffin.de/nanonote/debian-sid.ubi because the site is out! where can i found other website ? 2010-07-04 12:31 hmm no idea 2010-07-04 12:33 it's very hard to install debian-lenny in my nano 2010-07-04 13:27 hello After flashing with debian, I've "g: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)... 2010-07-04 13:27 help! 2010-07-04 13:29 Guest90854 seems like there is something wrong with your rootfs, uhm do not know much about debian, what about reflashing your rootfs once again? 2010-07-04 13:31 I'm following this website: http://pyneo.org/howto/debian/nano.html 2010-07-04 13:33 Guest90854 some people seem to have mor success following this http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/%E6%9C%AC-ben-nanonote-editingcompilingflashing-arduino-sketch 2010-07-04 13:35 i can't download http://mister-muffin.de/nanonote/debian-sid.ubi because the site is out! where can i found other website ? 2010-07-04 13:36 Only ftp site si ok but I haven't login/pass 2010-07-04 13:37 what about http://jlime.com/downloads/releases/other/nanodebian/debian-lenny.ubi ? 2010-07-04 13:38 also they have a smaller one http://jlime.com/downloads/releases/other/nanodebian/debian-lenny-mini.ubi 2010-07-04 13:38 urandom: Could you send me a way to have debian-sid.ubi ? 2010-07-04 13:40 a way? you need a rootfs and here is one http://jlime.com/downloads/releases/other/nanodebian/debian-lenny.ubi , so whats is the problem? 2010-07-04 13:42 just change the name 2010-07-04 13:57 urandom: thanks i'll see 2010-07-04 15:03 Guest90854: the site is up again. 2010-07-04 15:38 hiya! 2010-07-04 15:38 so, I keep hearing about 3D scans on the mailing list. 2010-07-04 16:28 some hint about how can I change the boot args in uboot? 2010-07-04 16:39 btw, found this interesting for the discussion of a plaintext wiki reader: 2010-07-04 16:39 http://users.softlab.ece.ntua.gr/~ttsiod/buildWikipediaOffline.html