2010-06-29 10:25 testing 123, not seeing any talk, is this working? 2010-06-29 10:25 it is :) 2010-06-29 10:26 thank-you, thought I was confused with x-chat 2010-06-29 10:30 no, you were confused by LURKING 2010-06-29 10:30 SHHH EVERYONE 2010-06-29 10:30 ;) 2010-06-29 10:30 damn it, stupid freerunner not receiving text messages 2010-06-29 10:30 just when i expect a very important sms 2010-06-29 10:36 ;-) so if logged on, but not saying anything is lurking? looks like 51 users and no talk, hmmm... 2010-06-29 10:37 :O 2010-06-29 10:37 ;D 2010-06-29 10:38 ok, 49... 2010-06-29 10:39 one is a bot 2010-06-29 10:39 48 2010-06-29 10:39 are you including ChanServ? 2010-06-29 10:39 47 2010-06-29 10:39 we can get this down to 0 2010-06-29 10:39 lets dooo it 2010-06-29 10:39 anyone get a sd larger than 2gb booting yet, I have 2 8gb's I want to load up some images 2010-06-29 10:41 put debian on a 2 gb, but it's boring, looking at jlime next 2010-06-29 10:51 how is it boring? 2010-06-29 10:51 you can do anything with it 2010-06-29 10:52 yeah, you can't, really ;) 2010-06-29 10:52 what 2010-06-29 10:52 I know, sorry, I run ubuntu 10.04 normally 2010-06-29 10:52 everything I've wanted to do 2010-06-29 10:52 I've done 2010-06-29 10:52 I absolutely love debian on this thing 2010-06-29 10:52 just intrigued by the excellent jlime demo video 2010-06-29 10:52 yeah, it's a nice slogan, but obviously nanonote needs some dedicated graphical programs because currently it sucks :D 2010-06-29 10:53 that's not jlime, that's gmu 2010-06-29 10:53 software wise 2010-06-29 10:53 what's a nice slogan? 2010-06-29 10:53 the "you can do anything with it" 2010-06-29 10:53 yeah, if i have 3 years to write a program from scratch ;) 2010-06-29 10:53 how on earth 2010-06-29 10:53 is that different between jlime and debian? 2010-06-29 10:53 that's a hardware limitation boyo 2010-06-29 10:54 probably not 2010-06-29 10:54 no, it's not hardware limitation 2010-06-29 10:54 yes 2010-06-29 10:54 it's the lack of programmers ;) 2010-06-29 10:54 screen size 2010-06-29 10:54 total hardware limitation in terms of running graphical apps that have already been written 2010-06-29 10:54 it's the lack of software for 320x240 2010-06-29 10:54 haha 2010-06-29 10:54 no 2010-06-29 10:54 yea 2010-06-29 10:54 its the 320x240 non-standard hardware 2010-06-29 10:55 X11 doesn't work well with 320x240, and there aren't many non-game sdl applications 2010-06-29 10:55 exactly 2010-06-29 10:55 i tested gpe today 2010-06-29 10:55 hoped that if it was designed to run in 240x320, it's gonna be good on 320x240 2010-06-29 10:55 but it's not 2010-06-29 10:55 it's terrible 2010-06-29 10:56 that's too bad 2010-06-29 10:56 I have no personal interest in X anyway 2010-06-29 10:56 but it would embiggen the audience 2010-06-29 10:56 the guys were like "hey, let's make some big ass buttons and bars, because we have a plenty of room for other stuff in the bottom of the screen" 2010-06-29 10:56 well, we have not because we're not horizontal 2010-06-29 10:57 nebajoth, what do you think is the future then? besides cli 2010-06-29 10:57 qt? 2010-06-29 10:57 why besides cli? 2010-06-29 10:58 because try to type something on nn's keyboard 2010-06-29 10:58 most of the stuff is either under red arrow or fn 2010-06-29 10:58 the keyboard is more highly developed than the handheld-buttons-a-la-gameboy stuff 2010-06-29 10:58 if you want that, get a pandora :D 2010-06-29 10:58 yeah, it's still not comforable to type on 2010-06-29 10:58 it isn't, I agree 2010-06-29 10:59 and well.. in cli you have to type - and _ and | 2010-06-29 10:59 and / 2010-06-29 10:59 well, /'s not a problem :P 2010-06-29 10:59 neither is | really 2010-06-29 10:59 the only one I had problems with was - 2010-06-29 10:59 yeah 2010-06-29 10:59 and I mapped that to capslock 2010-06-29 10:59 but _ and - are annoying 2010-06-29 10:59 well, i'm thinking about casual users 2010-06-29 10:59 I can't imagine the unit will ever attract casual users 2010-06-29 10:59 not without wifi 2010-06-29 10:59 bluetooth 2010-06-29 11:00 nn needs some good gui apps badly 2010-06-29 11:00 I don't see what purpose that would serve 2010-06-29 11:00 1) calendar/pim 2) dictionary 2010-06-29 11:00 remind 2010-06-29 11:00 rocks 2010-06-29 11:00 no, that's cli 2010-06-29 11:00 precisely 2010-06-29 11:00 stardict is ok, but someone needs to remove the mouse cursor and optimize the keyboard navigation 2010-06-29 11:01 man 2010-06-29 11:01 who even uses dictionaries on handhelds? 2010-06-29 11:01 is that a real use case? 2010-06-29 11:01 how about me? 2010-06-29 11:01 what for? 2010-06-29 11:01 how about looking for words i don't remember? 2010-06-29 11:01 i'm not english native how you probably noticed 2010-06-29 11:01 actually 2010-06-29 11:01 I hadn't 2010-06-29 11:02 ok, cross-language 2010-06-29 11:02 dictionary 2010-06-29 11:02 ok my view is that CLI isn't going away 2010-06-29 11:02 but we CAN make it more attractive 2010-06-29 11:02 put it in a framebuffer 2010-06-29 11:02 maybe QT 2010-06-29 11:02 for displaying images, movies, etc 2010-06-29 11:02 but the CLI is the most pervasive input mechanism known to humanity 2010-06-29 11:02 it doesn't just underpin our operating systems 2010-06-29 11:02 the url bar is a command line 2010-06-29 11:03 yes it is, but only if you have a full keyboard 2010-06-29 11:03 and google search is a command line 2010-06-29 11:03 it's really a pain in the ass to type anything with this keyboard 2010-06-29 11:03 that's because the unit is tiny 2010-06-29 11:03 which isn't just standard ascii characters 2010-06-29 11:03 yes, but that means cli isn't very handy 2010-06-29 11:03 gui is more limiting 2010-06-29 11:03 mc is fine 2010-06-29 11:04 I'm fine with curses 2010-06-29 11:04 I see no need for the overhead of X 2010-06-29 11:04 framebuffer/curses 2010-06-29 11:04 not x, but sdl/qt whatever can run on the framebuffer 2010-06-29 11:04 a highly stylized command line 2010-06-29 11:04 I'm not interested in the qt widgets though 2010-06-29 11:04 so 1) calendar/pim 2) dictionary and i'm happy 2010-06-29 11:04 and 3) music player, but we have that already and it's amazing 2010-06-29 11:04 I use cmus :D 2010-06-29 11:05 never heard of cmus 2010-06-29 11:05 curses 2010-06-29 11:05 vim style keybindings 2010-06-29 11:05 i could accept a pim in curses, though the console font is too big 2010-06-29 11:05 fbterm 2010-06-29 11:05 and most of curses stuff won't fit 2010-06-29 11:05 once we get the unfuzzied text 2010-06-29 11:06 we may even get 80-char width terminal fonts readable 2010-06-29 11:06 that would be sweet 2010-06-29 11:06 I was thinking about wrapping all the typical command line stuff 2010-06-29 11:06 like ls 2010-06-29 11:06 with a txr config 2010-06-29 11:06 and outputting colorized 40-character wide info 2010-06-29 11:06 perfectly optimized for the NN screen 2010-06-29 11:06 that could be cool as well 2010-06-29 11:07 gmenu2x is great for a gui, but it needs qwerty controls 2010-06-29 11:07 we have a sort of working calendar with dgclock 2010-06-29 11:07 though you can't assign any notes to it 2010-06-29 11:08 but i guess that's a good base for something bigger 2010-06-29 11:08 the best part about using txr 2010-06-29 11:08 is that you can leave the normal ls output, for example 2010-06-29 11:08 for ssh connections from terminals with wider screens 2010-06-29 11:08 too bad i can't really help besides porting already existing apps, so all that's left for me is complaining 2010-06-29 11:09 haha 2010-06-29 11:09 txr configs aren't too hard to write 2010-06-29 11:09 hey, i at least ported gmenu2x ;) 2010-06-29 11:09 http://www.nongnu.org/txr/ 2010-06-29 11:09 yeah, that's pretty cool :D 2010-06-29 11:09 but fixing the control method is beyond my knowledge 2010-06-29 11:10 txr looks cool 2010-06-29 11:11 "Cgmenu2x flicker" is a game for nn? 2010-06-29 11:11 its convenient 2010-06-29 11:11 and powerful 2010-06-29 11:11 rafa, i set the default clock for gmenu2x to 336MHz and the flickering was reduced to the same rate matchbox flickers in jlime ;) 2010-06-29 11:12 the best part of using the CLI on the NN 2010-06-29 11:13 is how 1337 I look 2010-06-29 11:13 Cgmenu2x.. I wantÂ Â to see the appointments calendar on gmemu2x, battery status, more info, applets 2010-06-29 11:13 nebajoth, ;) 2010-06-29 11:13 rafa, do it :D 2010-06-29 11:13 and some way to put forecast when it has internet connection, and auto power off forecast when there is not 2010-06-29 11:13 zear: yeah, sure, it is free software 2010-06-29 11:14 rafa, at least you can customize it through the menu, unlike matchbox 2010-06-29 11:14 you can add new menu entries to it, etc 2010-06-29 11:14 ah, and qwerty keyboard, and some way to set things: networkin, brightnes, etc 2010-06-29 11:14 zear: matchbos is a window manager.. you mean the look and feel?.. easy, give some days more 2010-06-29 11:14 brightness is configurable through the menu 2010-06-29 11:14 rafa, yeah, matchbox is fine 2010-06-29 11:14 and I will have something more useful than static Cgmenu features 2010-06-29 11:14 yes, I'd like recognition of internet 2010-06-29 11:15 but we really need some sort of a calendar/pim app 2010-06-29 11:15 that's the thing i lack the most 2010-06-29 11:15 then I could have my NN automatically log in with a python bot to an irc channel 2010-06-29 11:15 follow me around online like a puppy 2010-06-29 11:15 rafa, tried dillo and netsurf 2010-06-29 11:15 both of them are hard to control without a mouse 2010-06-29 11:15 you can't click links on the websites, etc 2010-06-29 11:16 so? 2010-06-29 11:16 so we need mouse emulation in x11 2010-06-29 11:16 :) 2010-06-29 11:16 no mouse.. keyboard friendly apps 2010-06-29 11:16 or that, yea 2010-06-29 11:17 but anyway, nn looks nice as player.. for tiny apps and some games, perhaps many.. but no more.. it will not have wireless connectivity.. so you will not bring it whre you can use internet 2010-06-29 11:18 i know 2010-06-29 11:18 but can be handy as a html reader 2010-06-29 11:19 dillo fullscreen (without widgets) should have keyboard control 2010-06-29 11:20 if no, some comman line or config option 2010-06-29 11:25 zear: have you tried clcal with some applets or gui clients?.. perhaps it would be useful, and torsmo could show the "today appointments" 2010-06-29 11:25 rafa, gpe-calculator is quite usable 2010-06-29 11:26 is not the whole gpe heavy is you do not use it alone? 2010-06-29 11:26 if you* 2010-06-29 11:26 zear: I will install gpe-calculator then.. I have not tried any calculator yet 2010-06-29 11:42 zear: check this calendar in 320x240: http://fz.hobby-site.org/hp660lx/cal.jpg 2010-06-29 11:42 nice right? 2010-06-29 11:43 too comfortable :P 2010-06-29 11:45 rafa, :( 2010-06-29 12:17 http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/ez430-rf2560.html