2010-06-23 00:17 newbie007: look at the imgv source 2010-06-23 00:17 pretty sure it does something like that 2010-06-23 00:18 http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/imgv/ 2010-06-23 00:18 it sohuld work, if you make res 320x240 and 32 bpp 2010-06-23 00:21 thx 2010-06-23 00:21 I found a pretty good example, I don't think it would be too difficult to hobble together a mouse and clickable icons 2010-06-23 00:23 nod 2010-06-23 00:27 hm.. seems that building Busybox and uClibc with locale/UTF-8 is not really helpful 2010-06-23 00:28 i have UCLIBC_HAS_LOCALE in uClibc config, everything related to locale/utf-8 activated in Busybox, and even CONFIG_ENABLE_LOCALE, just to --enable-nls in most builds 2010-06-23 00:28 but it doesn't work! 2010-06-23 00:33 I just noticed that at an extreme angle I can see the screen flicker 2010-06-23 00:34 I reflashed the device recentally, does anyone know the root password? 2010-06-23 00:40 duh I had to set it again 2010-06-23 00:44 the screen flickring can be seen at regular angle too 2010-06-23 00:44 just set the background to something other than black 2010-06-23 00:54 oh too bad 2010-06-23 00:55 I was going to play with a program I found sdl based I could make a menu with it 2010-06-23 00:55 with a mouse to boot 2010-06-23 00:56 I can't seem to ping anything outside of my network, on the Ethernet over USB wiki I got to the ping google part, and cannot ping it 2010-06-23 00:57 any ideas? I have fedora13 as a host OS 2010-06-23 01:21 newbie007: the Ethernet over USB on wiki is a very good manual 2010-06-23 01:21 just follow it exactly 2010-06-23 01:21 and you should have no problems 2010-06-23 01:38 kyak: I've followed it verbatim 2010-06-23 01:39 I'm in the fedora room as well, they just suggested that I change the device's ip address 2010-06-23 01:41 whats your home's network subnet? 2010-06-23 01:41 freespace, checking.. 2010-06-23 01:42 I have no idea.. 2010-06-23 01:42 /sbin/ifconfig -a 2010-06-23 01:42 on your desktop, see what network interfaces you have 2010-06-23 01:42 freespace: http://fpaste.org/hQe7/ 2010-06-23 01:42 you can ignore lo0 2010-06-23 01:43 ok, did you set the usb0 ip adddress? 2010-06-23 01:44 I did this command ifconfig usb0 192.168.254.100 2010-06-23 01:44 did you do something similar on the nanonote? 2010-06-23 01:44 newbie007: from your Ben: cat /etc/resolv.conf; route -n 2010-06-23 01:44 someone in fedra said that my nanonote's ip address is out of range of my router 2010-06-23 01:45 from your fedora: iptables -L -t nat 2010-06-23 01:45 nanonote: http://fpaste.org/6Ii0/ 2010-06-23 01:45 let us see the ouput 2010-06-23 01:46 looks good at Ben's side 2010-06-23 01:46 fedora: http://fpaste.org/ytTZ/ 2010-06-23 01:46 looks bad at fedora 2010-06-23 01:46 yeah, you don't have nat going 2010-06-23 01:46 you don't have NAT 2010-06-23 01:46 I'm not sure what that means 2010-06-23 01:47 just follow the wiki 2010-06-23 01:47 also cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward 2010-06-23 01:47 cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward   returned  1 2010-06-23 01:47 NAT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_address_translation 2010-06-23 01:48 well that's setup at least 2010-06-23 01:49 I did the nat directions again, still cannot ping google 2010-06-23 01:50 I cannot ping the router either 2010-06-23 01:51 iptables -L -t nat shows what? 2010-06-23 01:52 kyak: http://fpaste.org/1qWw/ 2010-06-23 01:53 from your ben, can you ping 192.168.254.100? 2010-06-23 01:53 and from fedora, can you ping 192.168.254.101? 2010-06-23 01:54 fedora yes 2010-06-23 01:54 ben yes also 2010-06-23 01:54 can you ping 8.8.8.8 from you ben? can you ping 8.8.8.8 from fedora? 2010-06-23 01:55 fedora yes 2010-06-23 01:55 ben no 2010-06-23 01:58 the fedora folks thought I should change the ip address of the ben to a lower number 192.168.0.X 2010-06-23 01:58 iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -s 192.168.254.101 -j MASQUERADE 2010-06-23 01:58 let's try specifing ip.. though it shouldn'e be the problem 2010-06-23 01:58 on the fedora box right? 2010-06-23 01:58 yes 2010-06-23 01:59 I did the iptables command, no change that I can tell 2010-06-23 01:59 let's see iptables -L -t filter 2010-06-23 02:00 http://fpaste.org/Mem0/ 2010-06-23 02:00 hell yes 2010-06-23 02:01 iptables -F FORWARD 2010-06-23 02:01 bam! 2010-06-23 02:01 thank you!! 2010-06-23 02:01 stupid fedora 2010-06-23 02:01 np! 2010-06-23 02:02 i might have a look where this rule came from, maybe shorewall or whatever is used in fedora as a frontend to iptables 2010-06-23 02:02 *you might 2010-06-23 02:02 REJECT     all  --  anywhere             anywhere            reject-with icmp-host-prohibited 2010-06-23 02:03 huh 2010-06-23 02:03 thanks! 2010-06-23 02:04 no, thank you, if you make this sdl thingie with mouse work :) 2010-06-23 02:04 is it possible to do a apt-get like command ? 2010-06-23 02:04 yeah it would be pretty sweet 2010-06-23 02:05 opkg update, then opkg list | grep your_package 2010-06-23 02:05 sweet thanks!! 2010-06-23 02:12 tuxbrain: on your holiday already? 2010-06-23 02:12 you said some flickering fixes didn't make it into 2010-06-15, can you be more precise which fixes you meant? are there some unapplied patches somewhere? 2010-06-23 02:19 tuxbrain: Yesterday I did /your/ serial port  hardware mod. Do you need pictures? 2010-06-23 02:20 my camera  was out of battery in the midle of the process 2010-06-23 02:23 jluis: if you have some good pics consider uploading them to the qi wiki 2010-06-23 02:23 http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Special:Upload 2010-06-23 02:24 wolfspraul: I am goin to review them now and I will put them on the wiki 2010-06-23 02:30 beautiful, thanks 2010-06-23 02:31 wolfspraul: I see you're having fun in HK :-) 2010-06-23 02:34 wolfspraul: don't you think the one NN not booting was just a depleted battery? 2010-06-23 02:36 couldn't think of many other possible causes (except maybe of water shorting some pins inside device, which evaporates while USB VBUS is applied :-P ) 2010-06-23 02:36 DocScrutinizer: hey there 2010-06-23 02:36 I think maybe the LCM connector or FPC cable has a problem 2010-06-23 02:37 don't know, will analyze this device later... 2010-06-23 02:37 happy to see you! 2010-06-23 02:37 (in irc) 2010-06-23 02:37 yes I had a good time in Hong Kong, and I keep learning, working, having fun 2010-06-23 02:37 going to Colombia tomorrow actually 2010-06-23 02:37 very very excited 2010-06-23 02:37 yeah for the one you took out. But there was another one that needed some minutes until it boots 2010-06-23 02:37 ah yes 2010-06-23 02:37 that one 2010-06-23 02:37 hmm 2010-06-23 02:37 yeah could be what you said 2010-06-23 02:38 did you see the recent Milkymist One progress 2010-06-23 02:38 we are on a roll there! :-) 2010-06-23 02:38 you should make sure batteries are refresh-charged every 6 months 2010-06-23 02:38 good point 2010-06-23 02:38 can you reply on the list 2010-06-23 02:38 http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Milkymist_One_SMT/DIP_Process_Flow 2010-06-23 02:38 check this out 2010-06-23 02:38 documentation about the Milkymist One SMT 2010-06-23 02:39 seen that? 2010-06-23 02:39 some weeks ago? 2010-06-23 02:39 we made 6 boards, so far it looks all 6 are at least workable, Sebastien can boot Linux already, ethernet works, audio works, I think some video works 2010-06-23 02:39 he, OK, maybe showed you already 2010-06-23 02:39 but it's even better now 2010-06-23 02:39 latest status is that boards are working 2010-06-23 02:39 Linux boots 2010-06-23 02:40 bringup in progress 2010-06-23 02:40 :-) 2010-06-23 02:40 the factory looks somewhat familiar :-D 2010-06-23 02:40 :-) 2010-06-23 02:40 it isn't - by any incidence - some 50km away from TPE? 2010-06-23 02:40 we will soon start to work on the Ya NanoNote electrical 2010-06-23 02:41 I will keep you updated on that one... 2010-06-23 02:41 fine :-) 2010-06-23 02:41 Minbo, not sure it's the same you mean 2010-06-23 02:41 well, we visited one in the late days of OM 2010-06-23 02:41 we sold about 800 Ben NanoNote now, not great not bad. project is moving. 2010-06-23 02:42 lots of wonderful contributions showing up, so maybe there is hope actually :-) 2010-06-23 02:42 Ya needs to be better than Ben! (and will) 2010-06-23 02:42 what are you up to now? 2010-06-23 02:43 fighting boredom and starvation 2010-06-23 02:43 ouch 2010-06-23 02:43 do you know what Dieter is doing? 2010-06-23 02:44 not really 2010-06-23 02:44 though I had a look at his incredibly amazing work lately 2010-06-23 02:44 the MOKO11 2010-06-23 02:44 recovered source once more, before it vanishes to oblivion 2010-06-23 02:45 you're going to use RF? 2010-06-23 02:45 he, OK 2010-06-23 02:45 YES! 2010-06-23 02:45 for sure 2010-06-23 02:45 cooool 2010-06-23 02:45 and it must be as free/open as possible 2010-06-23 02:45 hehehe 2010-06-23 02:45 we start digging into this now 2010-06-23 02:45 evaluation phase 2010-06-23 02:46 wolfspraul: how did your trip to hoperf go? 2010-06-23 02:46 emeb: he, another 'notes text file' I need to format into a proper report 2010-06-23 02:46 I'm so swamped sorry it all takes a bit 2010-06-23 02:46 ah, btw 2010-06-23 02:46 emeb - meet DocScrutinizer 2010-06-23 02:46 DocScrutinizer - meet emeb 2010-06-23 02:46 DocScrutinizer: greetings 2010-06-23 02:46 I think you are both EEs so I have big hopes in you guys in terms of this copyleft hardware project 2010-06-23 02:47 wolfspraul: for now calypso and openBB is the most "free" BB chipset and FW I know of 2010-06-23 02:47 Yep - I'm an EE - mostly a HW guy here - some kernel & userspace for support. 2010-06-23 02:47 hi eneb 2010-06-23 02:47 emeb: DocScrutinizer is one cool guy, experienced, big heart, absolutely wonderful person to hang out with and learn from 2010-06-23 02:47 *nod* 2010-06-23 02:47 you know each other already? 2010-06-23 02:48 just did a little bit for OM 2010-06-23 02:48 Don't think so. 2010-06-23 02:48 nope 2010-06-23 02:48 ah OK, good 2010-06-23 02:48 so the intro makes sense :-) 2010-06-23 02:48 yes, pleased to meet you, emeb 2010-06-23 02:48 I'm Joerg 2010-06-23 02:48 DocScrutinizer: likewise. My 'resume': http://members.cox.net/ebrombaugh1/index.html 2010-06-23 02:49 I very much value DocScrutinizer's feedback, he is a real thinker and able to maintain a cool head when everybody around him goes crazy. 2010-06-23 02:49 lol 2010-06-23 02:49 well it's true 2010-06-23 02:49 valuable trait 2010-06-23 02:49 and it's of immense value if we want to be successful 2010-06-23 02:49 we have to be a bit crazy, but not too much 2010-06-23 02:49 :-) 2010-06-23 02:49 I think it's just my operation mode doesn't change - dunno if that's actually cool head ;-) 2010-06-23 02:50 DocScrutinizer: so about RF, let's see 2010-06-23 02:50 step by step we get there 2010-06-23 02:50 my goal is for Ya NanoNote to come out in 'early 2011' 2010-06-23 02:50 and it should have some integrated RF 2010-06-23 02:50 whether that's a regular wifi module in the end, or something more exciting and free like an ISM 433 mhz rf chip (hoperf for example), who knows 2010-06-23 02:50 what kinda RF we talk here? 2010-06-23 02:51 well my preference is as free/open as possible (for what should be integrated) 2010-06-23 02:51 aah, ok 2010-06-23 02:51 so we have been looking a little at those hoperf modules, rfm22b 2010-06-23 02:52 http://www.hoperf.com/rf_fsk/RFM22B.htm 2010-06-23 02:52 Werner just wrote some feedback http://en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/developer/2010-June/003167.html 2010-06-23 02:52 hmm, think about a decent USB host with grunt on VBUS+5V, to plug in a 3G-stick 2010-06-23 02:52 wolfspraul: how do those guys do in the open/free dept? 2010-06-23 02:52 lots of pros and cons of course 2010-06-23 02:52 oh sure, Ya will have a USB host 2010-06-23 02:52 and a good one! 2010-06-23 02:52 seen that 2010-06-23 02:52 seems like the guts of the HW would be rather closed/proprietary. 2010-06-23 02:52 he he 2010-06-23 02:53 let's go for more open then! 2010-06-23 02:53 it's all a matter of who can help us 2010-06-23 02:53 which hw do you think is closed? 2010-06-23 02:53 hoperf 2010-06-23 02:53 the hoperf modules are using Silicon Labs RF IC 2010-06-23 02:53 of course that Silicon Labs IC is proprietary 2010-06-23 02:53 orly? That's news. 2010-06-23 02:53 but that's only the physical layer, very very thin 2010-06-23 02:53 for WiFi the prism2 chipset is rather open I think. But that's just one I know of 2010-06-23 02:54 worked on prism3 @ intersil 2010-06-23 02:54 been thoroughly RE'd 2010-06-23 02:54 afaik wifi always has rather huge proprietary blobs implementing the protocol stack 2010-06-23 02:54 mompls 2010-06-23 02:54 still have the t-shirt. :) 2010-06-23 02:54 emeb: those hoperf modules (or rather silabs ics) are quite popular in hobbyist/free software circles 2010-06-23 02:54 ethersex.de has support for them, for example 2010-06-23 02:55 wolfspraul: indeed. 2010-06-23 02:55 wolfspraul: might also consider the TI / CC parts 2010-06-23 02:55 DocScrutinizer: about the 3G stick, I have heard they may need a lot of current and many usb host/on-the-go solutions can't actually work with them 2010-06-23 02:55 so that's definitely something we need to watch 2010-06-23 02:56 http://jbnote.free.fr/prism54usb/index.html 2010-06-23 02:56 not sure TI sells me just the RF chips (physical layer) 2010-06-23 02:56 I'm very careful about TI in general. 2010-06-23 02:56 they try to drag you into their constantly changing and highly proprietary tricks. That's they model. 2010-06-23 02:56 their model 2010-06-23 02:56 good to know... 2010-06-23 02:57 the TI uC's with builtin RF 433/866 are extremely cool 2010-06-23 02:59 wolfspraul: specifically looking at these parts from TI: http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/cc1020.html 2010-06-23 02:59 all the former chipcon stuff for low-power rf tx/rx. 2010-06-23 02:59 DocScrutinizer: which chip specifically? 2010-06-23 03:00 or these: http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/cc2400.html 2010-06-23 03:01 sure I know them 2010-06-23 03:01 I'll take a closer look at the SI parts too... 2010-06-23 03:01 yes, good 2010-06-23 03:01 err SiLabs.. 2010-06-23 03:01 I am careful about TI. 2010-06-23 03:01 noted 2010-06-23 03:02 they buy a tech company, then monetize the tech they bought by dragging it into their proprietary/patented universe 2010-06-23 03:02 so I rather build relationships with companies that are more manufacturing and less IP oriented 2010-06-23 03:03 so SiLabs is better behaved? 2010-06-23 03:03 don't know :-) 2010-06-23 03:03 looks at http://www.silabs.com/products/wireless/EZRadio/Pages/Si442021.aspx 2010-06-23 03:04 I work with hoperf, their module maker 2010-06-23 03:04 of course I know it's still silabs ip... 2010-06-23 03:04 we'll see. in the end we need to find something that is practical, not a strategic dead-end road, and will allow to build free software upon for years to come. 2010-06-23 03:04 [Fr 16. April 2010] [00:55:59] http://www.google.de/search?q=ez430-chronos 2010-06-23 03:04 [Fr 16. April 2010] [00:57:49] http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/ez430-chronos.html 2010-06-23 03:05 [Fr 16. April 2010] [01:06:24] http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/cc430f6137.html 2010-06-23 03:07 ah - looks more familiar: http://www.silabs.com/products/wireless/EZRadioPRO/Pages/Si44303132.aspx 2010-06-23 03:07 prolly guts of the hoperf rfm22b... 2010-06-23 03:08 hey guys - great chatting. Time for bed now. 2010-06-23 03:09 time for breakfast here 2010-06-23 03:24 btw I found a severe design bug in N900. They routed an output of the LED controler chip to a SoC input, quite reasonable. Alas if you try to actually use this function, you'll fry the OMAP by feeding up to 4.2V(Vbat) to the 1V8 GPIO, as the LED controller isn't designed to drive lov voltage GPIO directly, and just outputs its VDD to the INT output via totem pole :-P 2010-06-23 03:24 they better hadn't connected these two pins at all. 2010-06-23 03:26 thank god the driver Nokia has written for the LED controller LP5523 is so braindamaged it accidentally doesn't allow user to access this function on a high level API (well low level like /sys actually) 2010-06-23 03:28 to make things worse these 4V2 are fed to the whole IO_1V8 and thus to the whole system, via the GPIO clamp diods 2010-06-23 03:28 cya, breakfast time now 2010-06-23 03:29 one question 2010-06-23 03:29 I was told the N900 has a neat system where they use the TRRS connector not only for stereo out and microphone in, but also video out 2010-06-23 03:29 do you know this? do you like it? 2010-06-23 03:29 yep 2010-06-23 03:29 we were thinking of doing that for the Ya NanoNote as well 2010-06-23 03:29 it's nice 2010-06-23 03:31 ok :-) 2010-06-23 03:31 enjoy your breakfast... 2010-06-23 03:31 thanks 2010-06-23 03:31 ciao 2010-06-23 03:38 ps: ...though nowadays probably a HDMI connector would be more like it. otoh Ya won't have the grunt to play videos, right? 2010-06-23 03:40 why not? 2010-06-23 03:40 you can play videos on Ben, although not all the CPU has to offer (SIMD instructions, second core) is used in free software 2010-06-23 03:41 these cpus are typically found in portable media players 2010-06-23 03:41 wolfspraul, say, the flickering you mention on the mailinglist.. 2010-06-23 03:42 was it occuring when in gmenu2x? 2010-06-23 03:42 because by default gmenu2x clocks to 200MHz 2010-06-23 03:42 i noticed that by setting the default clock to 336MHz the screen flickers less, or at least that's how it felt like 2010-06-23 03:46 I didn't do much testing 2010-06-23 03:46 I boot 2010-06-15 2010-06-23 03:46 yes it boots into gmenu2x 2010-06-23 03:46 we'll get rid of this eventually, I know we are a bit short on resources and lots of people try to help on various angles. I'm not worried :-) 2010-06-23 03:46 so far our customers have been extremely understanding and supportive 2010-06-23 03:47 zear: if you have patches that can help with any of this, please send or apply/commit right away 2010-06-23 03:47 wolfspraul, i think it's due to gmenu2x using jz4740 cpu scaling code 2010-06-23 03:47 and that messes up with lcd timings 2010-06-23 03:47 or something like that 2010-06-23 03:47 yes, I read some long thread between lars and mth about clocks yesterday 2010-06-23 03:47 unfortunatelly i don't, but i bet larsc and mth are on it 2010-06-23 03:47 they are 2010-06-23 03:47 I hope our customers understand. 2010-06-23 03:47 it's a big project... 2010-06-23 03:47 few people... 2010-06-23 03:48 though i also remember flickering issues on older images (without gmenu2x) 2010-06-23 03:48 so there could be two unrelated issues 2010-06-23 03:48 maybe even cumulated in the latest image ;) 2010-06-23 03:48 too much in motion 2010-06-23 03:48 if I ever get to it, my highest software priority is to write a test plan for the OpenWrt images 2010-06-23 03:48 at least we do know the hardware is good, which helps to write proper software for it 2010-06-23 03:49 if both hardware and software are unstable it's a real mess 2010-06-23 03:49 on my device flickering goes away (not totally but enough) after some application switches 2010-06-23 03:50 so for my selfish needs I have a workaround right now :-) 2010-06-23 03:50 zear: how is jlime coming along? will you guys meet? 2010-06-23 03:50 zear: it's not related to gmenu2x 2010-06-23 03:51 i'm not sure about the meeting, there wasn't much news from filip (who organizes it), and also i might have exams in september, when we plan to meet 2010-06-23 03:51 wolfspraul, but i really hope we will meet 2010-06-23 03:51 i've set the white background on my console (fbterm) and the flickering could be seen very well 2010-06-23 03:52 and it is also seen on openwrt's logo after startup 2010-06-23 03:52 and btw, i got a free secondhand nintendo ds few days ago, and i had a quick look at the software it offers. Especially the programs to teach you languages 2010-06-23 03:53 i think that if there only was some company interested in it, nanonote could easily works as such a language teaching tool 2010-06-23 03:53 sure it could do many things 2010-06-23 03:54 the apps i saw on ds use the built-in microphone to compare your prononciation with the one of the natives 2010-06-23 03:54 pretty cool stuff 2010-06-23 03:54 but I think first the whole software 'environment' needs to get even better 2010-06-23 03:54 companies count every minute of their time 2010-06-23 03:54 if i wasn't all pro-gpl, nds would be my new fav toy ;) 2010-06-23 03:54 and you can develop pretty amazing software in pretty short time say for the iphone 2010-06-23 03:54 yea 2010-06-23 03:54 so once you think about these kinds of users that's how they will compare you 2010-06-23 03:55 we need to continue steadily on our free software path, I am 100% convinved this will become a kickass platform 2010-06-23 03:55 but even despite gp2x/wiz audience isn't very big, the company sells gp2x/wizes with the "vocamaster" software on the local korean market 2010-06-23 03:55 and i heard it sells very well 2010-06-23 03:55 it's a software to teach you english, or something 2010-06-23 03:55 like I said, we are getting closer 2010-06-23 03:55 but not there yet 2010-06-23 03:55 look at the sw that runs on Ben today 2010-06-23 03:55 i know 2010-06-23 03:56 what can you do today? 2010-06-23 03:56 it's better than 5 months ago when we launched, for sure 2010-06-23 03:56 it's not ready for the casual user yet, i know 2010-06-23 03:56 and you see bits and pieces improving 2010-06-23 03:56 but not there yet 2010-06-23 03:56 need more hackers :) 2010-06-23 03:56 i guess we won't be anywhere near that before the ya 2010-06-23 03:56 so let's try to stay the course... 2010-06-23 03:56 they go together 2010-06-23 03:56 all Ben stuff gets carried forward 2010-06-23 03:56 i'm just sharing my ideas 2010-06-23 03:57 after i saw how cool can a software on a handheld device be 2010-06-23 03:57 sure 2010-06-23 03:57 but i agree first we need to have some core software 2010-06-23 03:58 like a notepad, a calendar, a pim, alarm clock, music player, etc 2010-06-23 03:58 ds comes with calendar/pim/alarm clock preinstalled, it's very handy 2010-06-23 04:02 GMU is a great start at a music player, I really like it 2010-06-23 04:02 dgClock can become an alarm clock (it's mostly dysfunctional right now though :-)) 2010-06-23 04:02 we are on the same page... 2010-06-23 04:09 yep 2010-06-23 04:09 dgclock is close to be an alarm clock, but we need to develop a way to put nn in suspend and to wake up at right time to ring the alarm 2010-06-23 04:10 because i don't think 8h battery time is enough to wake you up in the morning 2010-06-23 04:17 if you sleep less than 8h... 2010-06-23 04:22 bartbes, and have fully charged nn ;) 2010-06-23 04:22 or if you sleep 4h you only need it charged slightly more than half 2010-06-23 04:23 you'll probably want more than 1 beep, so add an extra 10 mins or so 2010-06-23 04:24 ;P 2010-06-23 04:53 bartbes: you bought a NN? 2010-06-23 05:46 Textmode: I have not 2010-06-23 05:46 ;_; 2010-06-23 05:46 have you? 2010-06-23 05:58 bartbes: yes. 2010-06-23 05:58 you have? I thought you bought a dingoo 2010-06-23 05:59 bartbes: I have a dingoo (with dingux), a Wiz, and a Nanonote 2010-06-23 05:59 :O 2010-06-23 05:59 night all 2010-06-23 05:59 I don't have the money for one of them 2010-06-23 05:59 you rich bastard! 2010-06-23 05:59 night Textmode 2010-06-23 06:00 bartbes: apprently I'm considered povety line... 2010-06-23 06:00 night. 2010-06-23 06:06 now i have to gogole what Wiz is 2010-06-23 06:12 bartbes: if you don't have the money, what else could you contribute to our project? 2010-06-23 06:13 I was only directed to this project by urandom_, because I am the main dev of LÖVE 2010-06-23 06:13 hehe, what is that? (googling) 2010-06-23 06:13 don't google :P 2010-06-23 06:13 http://love2d.org 2010-06-23 06:15 hey not bad, congratulations! 2010-06-23 06:17 so can this run on the NanoNote? can we get it into openwrt? 2010-06-23 06:17 it probably can't run in it's current state 2010-06-23 06:17 but the nn came up when discussing uLove, a project to define standards for ports 2010-06-23 06:17 needs too much memory? 2010-06-23 06:18 I guess it lacks some deps 2010-06-23 06:18 but I guess Textmode tried 2010-06-23 06:19 and? 2010-06-23 06:19 let us know what deps are missing, how we can help... 2010-06-23 06:19 looks like a really nice project 2010-06-23 06:19 well I don't know :P 2010-06-23 06:20 of course I'm a GPL license fan, but still it's a detail the big picture matters and this is a beautiful project you have there... 2010-06-23 06:20 zlib is gpl compatible.. 2010-06-23 06:20 less restrictive though 2010-06-23 06:20 sure I know 2010-06-23 06:20 let's see whether Textmode can post some more problems he ran into 2010-06-23 06:21 and I was just lurking... 2010-06-23 06:21 :P 2010-06-23 06:21 you know Textmode just left for the night, right? 2010-06-23 06:22 night? where are you guys? 2010-06-23 06:22 *he* is in australia 2010-06-23 06:22 12:00 < Textmode> night. 2010-06-23 06:22 right here, in this channel 2010-06-23 06:22 he is the one I told I didn't have the money.. 2010-06-23 06:24 ah Australia, OK 2010-06-23 06:24 well first we need to understand more of the missing dependencies 2010-06-23 06:24 then go from there 2010-06-23 06:25 well, I can list the deps, if that helps 2010-06-23 06:25 but I can also list the deps if we limit it to uLove 2010-06-23 06:25 if you are interested, really don't have the money, but want to port stuff to the Ben, maybe we can loan one to you 2010-06-23 06:25 sure listing the deps helps 2010-06-23 06:26 I'm not even sure I'm worth it.. ;P 2010-06-23 06:26 buying would be better anyway, there pretty much are no free Nanos and we are all sharing in in various ways 2010-06-23 06:26 but let's focus on the dependencies 2010-06-23 06:26 listing them is a good start 2010-06-23 06:27 okay, PhysicsFS 2010-06-23 06:27 SDL, but I heard you got that covered 2010-06-23 06:27 opengl (though not really needed for uLove) 2010-06-23 06:27 vorbis, DevIL or maybe png directly 2010-06-23 06:28 and that are the deps for uLove really 2010-06-23 06:30 looking at this it almost seems easy :P 2010-06-23 06:32 bartbes: I added an entry here: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Ben_NanoNote_Software_Status#Blue_sky 2010-06-23 06:33 need to add some more dependencies, have to rush out real quick, u do it if you can otherwise me when I'm back... 2010-06-23 06:33 bbiab 2010-06-23 06:33 sure 2010-06-23 06:33 oh 2010-06-23 06:33 lol 2010-06-23 06:33 forgot lua :P 2010-06-23 06:40 wolfspraul: added the deps, if you need anything else just ask 2010-06-23 06:41 it's not like I have something to do anyway :P 2010-06-23 07:04 back 2010-06-23 07:05 lua is included already 2010-06-23 07:05 I noticed 2010-06-23 07:07 I update it a little 2010-06-23 07:07 so let's see, at least it's written up 2010-06-23 07:08 I suspect physfs just builds though 2010-06-23 07:09 yeah but missing is missing. needs a package in openwrt etc. 2010-06-23 07:12 do you guys have an emulator? or some settings for a vim? 2010-06-23 07:12 *vm 2010-06-23 07:56 you can use qemu 2010-06-23 07:56 to emulate mipsel 2010-06-23 07:56 qemu-jz, specifically 2010-06-23 07:56 sure 2010-06-23 07:56 http://code.google.com/p/jz-hacking/wiki/qemujz 2010-06-23 07:56 woop woop 2010-06-23 07:56 does it support all hardware necessary to run the NN images? 2010-06-23 07:57 dunno about the sound and whatnot 2010-06-23 07:57 it should run 2010-06-23 07:57 "should" 2010-06-23 07:57 this is on my todo list of things to check 2010-06-23 07:57 you certainly need to run the latest kernel, otherwise it will crash when accessing registers using the wrong width 2010-06-23 07:57 I tried running Dingux on it and that required quite a few changes 2010-06-23 07:57 oh? 2010-06-23 07:57 did you document them? 2010-06-23 07:58 not yet, I'm planning to fork the git and then make nice patches of them 2010-06-23 07:58 but if you want to test, I can make a diff 2010-06-23 07:59 one thing I added is SD support 2010-06-23 07:59 yeah, if you don't mind 2010-06-23 07:59 I'd love a diff 2010-06-23 07:59 but I think it's broken, since it often hangs while loading 2010-06-23 07:59 probably an interrupt gets lost 2010-06-23 08:02 http://www.treewalker.org/temp/qemu-a320.diff 2010-06-23 08:02 I modified the definition of the pavo board to be like the A320; the right thing to do would be to add a separate board instead 2010-06-23 08:04 qemu aborts if a register is accessed with the wrong width, while the real hardware doesn't seem to care about that 2010-06-23 08:04 I found several mismatches in the drivers that way 2010-06-23 08:05 and larsc fixed them all 2010-06-23 08:05 that's why you need a recent kernel (2.6.34) 2010-06-23 08:06 the A320 is similar to the BNN in hardware 2010-06-23 08:06 in fact the BNN should be easier to emulate, since the rootfs is in the NAND, while Dingux has it on the SD card 2010-06-23 08:07 and the A320 uses the SLCD controller which is unsupported in qemu-jz, while the BNN uses the LCD controller which is supported in qemu-jz 2010-06-23 09:08 tuxbrain: the theme that you have seen is the next jlime desktop.. I will try to release it today or tomorrow.. lot of nice stuff. Ah, btw, mplayer and snes9x works nice in 320x240.. the problem with my tests were when I had my nn usb plugged, there is something to check there, kernel gets crazy with events/irq when plugged 2010-06-23 09:10 i am sold 2010-06-23 09:10 freespace: you are OLD 2010-06-23 09:11 like tuxbrain 2010-06-23 09:15 rafa, you're old too, buddy ;P 2010-06-23 09:15 where is my gun?... 2010-06-23 09:16 ;) 2010-06-23 09:17 sif i am OLD 2010-06-23 09:17 i am merely old 2010-06-23 09:18 zear: now, checking where I put the M16... 2010-06-23 09:18 bullets.. 2010-06-23 09:18 :) 2010-06-23 09:31 wejp: hey, you there?.. I would like to ask you something (I am trying to build gmu for pc and for jlime, but I get an error).. 2010-06-23 09:31 rafa, hey, yes i'm here 2010-06-23 09:31 wejp: let me show you a pastebin if you can check it.. 2010-06-23 09:31 okay 2010-06-23 09:32 wejp: http://debian.pastebin.com/zXe4aSyV 2010-06-23 09:33 I am not sure if the mpg123 version is not okey for gmu 2010-06-23 09:34 the latest version of mpg123 should work just fine, but as it tells you there, its configuration is not okay. you should check wether you have that large file support enabled or disabled 2010-06-23 09:36 wejp: it is just the latest mpg123 that debian has I guess... and it is installed there since a while ago.. 2010-06-23 09:36 let me check if debian has a newer version 2010-06-23 09:36 which version are you using? 2010-06-23 09:36 let me check.. 2010-06-23 09:37 it doesn't look like it is a problem with the version though 2010-06-23 09:37 as i said, it is a mismatch with the large file support configuration 2010-06-23 09:37 well, perhaps mpg123 debian package maintainer does not configure it ? 2010-06-23 09:37 ah.. okey 2010-06-23 09:38 oh 2010-06-23 09:38 I had that problem before 2010-06-23 09:38 if the lib uses lfs all its names end with _64 2010-06-23 09:38 let me look up the fix 2010-06-23 09:38 i think a while ago the default for that configuration changed, so maybe the debian people just used the default, which changed 2010-06-23 09:39 so now large file support is enabled by default, while it previously wasn't 2010-06-23 09:41 debian has a newer version, updated mine now . libmpg123-dev_1.12.1-2_i386.deb 2010-06-23 09:41 the actual fix is to add a define 2010-06-23 09:41 wejp: now all built okey it seems 2010-06-23 09:41 _FILE_OFFSET_BITS 64 2010-06-23 09:42 good :) 2010-06-23 09:42 why do I feel ignored? 2010-06-23 09:42 bartbes, because it works now ;) 2010-06-23 09:43 in case you ever do get the error again, _FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 2010-06-23 09:43 yeah 2010-06-23 09:43 bartbes: I will ignore you until the new error appears 2010-06-23 09:43 ;) 2010-06-23 09:43 anyway, large file support is nice and all, but isn't really needed for mp3 files 2010-06-23 09:43 thanks man.. let me save that, because I will try to port it to jlime 2010-06-23 09:43 i have never seen such huge mp3 files 2010-06-23 09:43 thanks both 2010-06-23 09:44 well if you just write an mp3 header then dd a lot of /dev/urandom in a file you probably get a huge mp3 file :P 2010-06-23 09:44 who knows, maybe a future user of your program loves white noise 2010-06-23 09:45 well even without large file support you could have a signle mp3 file with 320 kbit/s that has a playtime of more than 1700 hours ^^ 2010-06-23 09:46 cool for trips 2010-06-23 09:46 i guess that should be enough for most people ;) 2010-06-23 09:47 320 kbit/s? I use 320 Mbit/ms! 2010-06-23 09:48 lol 2010-06-23 09:48 oh, while talking about large audio files, some of you might be interested in the fact that the next gmu version will be able to resume playback. so you can shutdown gmu while playing and it will continue where you left last time when you start gmu again 2010-06-23 09:49 wejp: he.. nanonote.mk has the openwrt toolchain path.. grrrr 2010-06-23 09:49 paths* 2010-06-23 09:49 :o 2010-06-23 09:55 wejp, that's cool, i use to listen to 40min podcasts 2010-06-23 09:55 :) 2010-06-23 09:56 wejp: cool, it built for jlime ;) 2010-06-23 09:56 now I need to learn how to use it .. 2010-06-23 09:57 nice 2010-06-23 09:57 it is not that difficult to use 2010-06-23 09:57 btw, the next version will also have a little introduction screen explaining the most important functions and their button mappings 2010-06-23 09:58 for now you need to check the README.txt file which explains almost everything ^^ 2010-06-23 09:59 wejp: great.. I will try to use the libsdl-* packages of our feed 2010-06-23 10:02 wejp: perhaps you already know, but anyway, newest libsdl let you rotate on fb, so other devices with odd screens (like freerunner : 480x640) could use your sdl app rotated on fb ;) 2010-06-23 10:04 that's what i was wondering about such devices. are those screens actually running in 640x480 mode instead of 480x640, so one has to rotate it? 2010-06-23 10:04 in freerunner you have fb as 480x640, so when your sdl app tries to set video as 640x480 will fail.. 2010-06-23 10:05 but with newest libsdl libs you can set a variable in shell 2010-06-23 10:05 ah ok, i see, but gmu can actually run in almsot any screen resolution so 480x640 would be just fine 2010-06-23 10:05 so libsdl rotates the fb displays 2010-06-23 10:05 and then you do not need to modify your code to run in 640x480 2010-06-23 10:06 it is just a matter of setting the right resoultion, the theme engine of gmu can use any arbitrary resolution 2010-06-23 10:06 on the pc you can even resize the window of gmu as you like 2010-06-23 10:07 wejp: but at init.. gmu tries any resolution?.. I mean, can I try to run gmu in 240x320 for example? 2010-06-23 10:08 currently you need to tell gmu at compile time which resolution to use, but you can tell it to use any resolution you want to 2010-06-23 10:08 i guess there is no point in letting the user choose the resolution at runtime on most devices 2010-06-23 10:08 but if this could be useful, it could easily be added 2010-06-23 10:10 i have defined the initial resolution in the hardware specific header files, for the nanonote this is hw_nanonote.h located in the src directory 2010-06-23 10:11 the new rotation feature is useful for displays rotated, like freerunner. You have a lot of games which work in 320x240 or 640x480, freerunner has 480x640. You would not like to compile all the games again to set the proper freerunner res. 2010-06-23 10:11 yeah 2010-06-23 10:12 and if the user is using a nn he should know a bit about resolutions and stuff like that, or he will feel frustrated soon :) 2010-06-23 10:12 hehe 2010-06-23 10:13 but using resolutions other than 320x240 on the nanonote is not that useful, if possible at all ;) 2010-06-23 10:18 wejp: it seems that my keymap is different than openwrt 2010-06-23 10:19 do you use a different kernel? 2010-06-23 10:20 it all depends on how the kernel maps the buttons of the keyboard to their keycodes 2010-06-23 10:21 but you can easily change those mappings with gmu, you don't even need to recompile gmu for doing that 2010-06-23 10:22 wejp: modifying nanonote.keymap file? 2010-06-23 10:23 rafa: gmuinput.nanonote.conf 2010-06-23 10:24 wejp: sorry for my slow brain, I think I only recently realized that you are the author of GMU? 2010-06-23 10:25 wolfspraul, yes that is right :) 2010-06-23 10:25 it takes so much time for important news to sink into my brain, scary 2010-06-23 10:25 well just wanted to say a big THANK YOU for this app 2010-06-23 10:25 amazing 2010-06-23 10:25 no problem ;) 2010-06-23 10:25 it's the #1 most useful app on Ben NanoNote right now 2010-06-23 10:25 I hope you find the energy and encouragement to continue... 2010-06-23 10:25 and support of course 2010-06-23 10:26 my only tidbit of feedback is that I had a little trouble finding the and keys 2010-06-23 10:26 there is no indicator for them, or at least I didn't see it 2010-06-23 10:26 but once I found them the whole UI became pretty clear 2010-06-23 10:26 thanks, i'm glad you like it :) 2010-06-23 10:26 yeah, i'll continue working on gmu. actually there will be a new version soon 2010-06-23 10:27 the next version comes with a little introduction screen that explains the most important functions and their buttons mapping 2010-06-23 10:27 great 2010-06-23 10:27 once you get to know the mapping, it should be pretty easy to use gmu :) 2010-06-23 10:27 I like how the bottom line explains pretty much everything 2010-06-23 10:28 like I said only tab and alt were not intuitive to me 2010-06-23 10:28 :) 2010-06-23 10:28 and if you don't like the button mappings you can also easily change everything through the config files 2010-06-23 10:29 yeah :) 2010-06-23 11:09 wejp: in gmuinput.nanonote.conf.. what should I change? the keycode?. For example, that file has this line: 2010-06-23 11:09 Button-70=274,Down 2010-06-23 11:09 What shoud I change?. The 274 number? so it match with the proper code of down key in jlime? 2010-06-23 11:11 rafa, yes, if the keycodes on your kernel do not match these values, you could change them there 2010-06-23 11:11 it would probably be a better idea to change the keycodes on the kernel instead, otherwise you would need to change that in other applications also, that you want to port from openwrt 2010-06-23 11:12 wejp: no, kernel is like kernel is.. better if you have it untouched.. it is because kernel in jlime is 2.6.34 perhaps, and kernel in openwrt nn is 2.6.32, but I am not sure why it is different. 2010-06-23 11:13 wejp: but,no worries, we do not need to port many apps from openwrt.. we have aroudn 20000 packages from OE in our repo :) 2010-06-23 11:14 and we will use always X, so SDL apps which use SDLK_RETURN will be ENTER in any kernel 2010-06-23 11:14 ok :) 2010-06-23 11:14 (if we have X properly configured, of course) 2010-06-23 11:29 https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Blackfin 2010-06-23 11:29 i wonder hwo may acme procesors are made in china 2010-06-23 11:30 even usefull running a non-mmu system and just uclinux 2010-06-23 11:35 wejp: wolfspraul : sorry for the question, is not gmu a mp3 player?.. I ask because when running I do not see the ogg or other formats files in the default file browser, and I also ask if the openwrt version has mp3 removed.. 2010-06-23 11:36 perhaps I do not know how to use it well, sorry about.. I am learning ;) 2010-06-23 11:36 the version of gmu that comes with the nanonote does not include a mp3 decoder 2010-06-23 11:36 wejp: okey, but I do not see *.ogg files neither :( 2010-06-23 11:36 perhaps I do not have the decoder? 2010-06-23 11:36 all decoders of gmu are implemented as plugins so one can easily include only some of the available decoders 2010-06-23 11:36 rafa: it plays 2010-06-23 11:36 just mp3 codec is not installed 2010-06-23 11:37 kristianpaul: yes, but I want to play ogg files 2010-06-23 11:37 rafa: i do 2010-06-23 11:37 and I do not know how to see those 2010-06-23 11:37 :) 2010-06-23 11:37 if you do not see ogg files, the decoder for these files is missing. gmu shows only those files in the file browser which it can decode 2010-06-23 11:37 to check which decoders you have loaded open the program info 2010-06-23 11:37 Alt+A 2010-06-23 11:38 aha.. reading.. 2010-06-23 11:39 wejp: btw, my keycodes are different but the keys work :P.. perhaps because I run it on X? 2010-06-23 11:39 hm, maybe 2010-06-23 11:42 wejp: sorry, i feel like an idiot today :).. I see in decoders/ : 2010-06-23 11:42 mikmod.so 2010-06-23 11:42 musepack.so 2010-06-23 11:42 vorbis.so 2010-06-23 11:42 wavpack.so 2010-06-23 11:42 but ALT+A shows me that just wavpack and musepack are the decoders 2010-06-23 11:42 is not vorbis the ogg decoder? 2010-06-23 11:43 ok, but what does the program infor tell you? 2010-06-23 11:43 even if there are those decoders it might be possible that gmu was unable to load them, because the actual libraries were missing 2010-06-23 11:43 I am too lost.. and I do not find that detail in README.txt file 2010-06-23 11:43 yes, vorbis.so is the ogg vorbis decoder plugin 2010-06-23 11:44 just like i said, it should be Alt+A 2010-06-23 11:44 or whatever your meta key is mapped to 2010-06-23 11:44 Jlime$ ldd vorbis.so  | grep found libvorbisidec.so.1 => not found 2010-06-23 11:44 if you press the meta key, gmu tells you which button to press to open the "About" screen 2010-06-23 11:44 aha.. 2010-06-23 11:44 libvorbisidec.so.1 not found 2010-06-23 11:44 yeah of course you need that file 2010-06-23 11:45 alt+a show me that just wav and musepack were loaded.. 2010-06-23 11:45 ok 2010-06-23 11:45 let me install the missing libraries.. 2010-06-23 11:45 so the libraries for the other decoders are missing on your system 2010-06-23 11:45 why? 2010-06-23 11:45 kristianpaul: I built it manually 2010-06-23 11:45 oh cheers 2010-06-23 11:46 and I do not did a proper ipk package yet 2010-06-23 11:46 with dependences 2010-06-23 11:46 I am just testing it right now 2010-06-23 11:46 good 2010-06-23 11:46 and learning how to use 2010-06-23 11:46 makefile? 2010-06-23 11:46 kristianpaul: the current gmu binaries will not work with jlime surely, that is why I built it 2010-06-23 11:46 hand ^ 2010-06-23 11:46 oh you jlime devel i remenber 2010-06-23 11:47 jlime is oe based? 2010-06-23 11:47 or openwrt? 2010-06-23 11:47 OE 2010-06-23 11:48 oh men good read that :) 2010-06-23 11:48 check a screenshot, it is different now, but the idea for our next beta release is the same (X+wm) : http://fz.hobby-site.org/hp660lx/3085.jpg 2010-06-23 11:48 nice 2010-06-23 11:48 X server? 2010-06-23 11:48 btw, on the software page I see something about X being too big 2010-06-23 11:48 kristianpaul: yes 2010-06-23 11:49 ohh 2010-06-23 11:49 well, nvm then 2010-06-23 11:49 :P 2010-06-23 11:49 bartbes: which page? 2010-06-23 11:49 great timing there 2010-06-23 11:49 is nto heavy eating memory and cpu? 2010-06-23 11:49 kristianpaul: no.. x 2010-06-23 11:49 "having a real Xserver (propably Xorg) running - might be a bit hard with having just 32MB of RAM within the Ben NanoNote " 2010-06-23 11:49 good 2010-06-23 11:49 we have been using X + icewm (xfbdev) with jornadas for many years 2010-06-23 11:49 so i can run easillt gtk ? 2010-06-23 11:49 easilly* 2010-06-23 11:49 we (jlime) do linux distros for jornadas, which has just 16MB of ram 2010-06-23 11:49 and slower CPU 2010-06-23 11:50 :O 2010-06-23 11:50 kristianpaul: you can run gtk 1, gtk 2, qt, sdl, whatever.. 2010-06-23 11:50 ohh 2010-06-23 11:50 all the python +sdl/gtk stuff 2010-06-23 11:50 etc 2010-06-23 11:50 wow 2010-06-23 11:50 can i run jlime from microsd? 2010-06-23 11:50 you ONLY can run jlime from microsd card right now 2010-06-23 11:50 :) 2010-06-23 11:51 I will release the new version today or tomorrow, with X+WM+and lot of fun stuff (video players, emators, etc..) 2010-06-23 11:52 there are gcc stuff avaliable to installl? 2010-06-23 11:52 i dont like cross compile for silly apps 2010-06-23 11:53 kristianpaul: yes, the repo has around 15000 packages, and we will upload around 5000 more soon. You have all the GCC family packages there 2010-06-23 11:53 ohh+ 2010-06-23 11:53 i was thinking move to debian cause if that 2010-06-23 11:53 but i need something simplee and emdebbed 2010-06-23 11:54 great 2010-06-23 11:54 as soon as resolder my T4 port and asseble the nano i'll get the images 2010-06-23 11:54 :) 2010-06-23 11:54 hope to night 2010-06-23 11:54 good 2010-06-23 11:55 kristianpaul: jlime has been devoping linux for HP jornadas for many years. We use X, and those machines has just 133Mhz cpu and 16MB of ram.. (and a tiny screen as well) so we know which applications to use ;) 2010-06-23 11:58 rafa: i will follow you indeed :) 2010-06-23 11:58 rafa: there is big comunity in argentina? 2010-06-23 11:59 i have friedns here with nano 2010-06-23 11:59 but not english spearks 2010-06-23 12:00 actually iwas asking for documetnacion in spanish witht the first question 2010-06-23 12:02 oh nv 2010-06-23 12:02 cheking website right now 2010-06-23 12:11 kristianpaul: you could translate the documentation in spanish 2010-06-23 12:12 it is also a qi-hardware-es ml 2010-06-23 12:12 oh 2010-06-23 12:13 ah yes i remmenber 2010-06-23 12:13 let's move, spanish Qi community!! ;) 2010-06-23 12:48 kristianpaul: me here, sorry 2010-06-23 12:49 kristianpaul: no big community here I guess, for the numbers, we just are two guys with nn here in Argentina, and I do not know who is that guy :) 2010-06-23 12:49 but, if you have friends with nn I could the whole jlime documentation in spanish 2010-06-23 13:48 i would like to know how many Bens were shipped to Russia :) 2010-06-23 13:49 currently it seems that i have zaro friends! 2010-06-23 13:52 kyak, same here in poland ;P 2010-06-23 14:00 hi urandom_ 2010-06-23 15:32 anyone know how to change the console font to 80x25? 2010-06-23 15:32 the font? 2010-06-23 15:32 you're sure you don't mean size? 2010-06-23 15:33 yeah 2010-06-23 15:33 qwebirc11952: I believe its buried in the kernel compile time config options. 2010-06-23 15:33 well, i'd like it to display 80 colums and 25 lines. 2010-06-23 15:33 well, I only know how it works in normal desktop linuxes 2010-06-23 15:33 I also believe its a craptacular pixel font that can be considered barely readable on a normal LCD. 2010-06-23 15:34 I'd hate to even contemplate what it looks like on the NN's staggered pixel LCD. 2010-06-23 15:34 i don't like the 40 colums by 19  lines 2010-06-23 15:35 and I can't figure out how to make X run a WM. 2010-06-23 15:35 I get a blank screen every time 2010-06-23 15:35 with a mouse arrow 2010-06-23 15:35 true, but I'd recommend picking something more readable than the 80x25 pixel font :P 2010-06-23 15:36 like what, though? 2010-06-23 15:36 qwebirc11952: well maybe you're seeing the wm, but just no desktop, menu, etc 2010-06-23 15:36 most of the times those are separate programs 2010-06-23 15:36 hmm that could be 2010-06-23 15:36 yeah, the standard X desktop is a combination of programs working together. 2010-06-23 15:36 i tried starting matchbox.. again, blank screen 2010-06-23 15:37 i noticed there is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf and I can't figure out how to make one 2010-06-23 15:37 i'm using the "debian-lenny.ubi" BTW 2010-06-23 15:38 X provides basic screen management, the WM provide window decorations and basic window orginisation, the DE provides Standard menus and desktop, etc, etc. 2010-06-23 15:38 yeah 2010-06-23 15:38 I think X stopped requireing a default Xconf a few versions back. 2010-06-23 15:38 i know how X works.. maybe I should try editing the ~/.xinitrc 2010-06-23 15:38 so most distros stopped supplying them. 2010-06-23 15:39 that would of been my next suggestion :P 2010-06-23 15:39 ah. I see 2010-06-23 15:40 i'm compiling nano right now, because I don't like VI's behavior 2010-06-23 15:41 solution: don't use Vi 2010-06-23 15:41 :P 2010-06-23 15:42 yep 2010-06-23 15:43 y halo thar 2010-06-23 15:43 it's the only editor I found on the system, though.. maybe there are others, but none of the well-known ones at least 2010-06-23 15:44 theres joe, and nano 2010-06-23 15:44 and no, i'm not fond of either :P 2010-06-23 15:45 not on my machine 2010-06-23 15:46 ok.. just found a nano .deb 2010-06-23 15:46 MIPS 2010-06-23 15:48 oh right, debian. 2010-06-23 16:08 qwebirc11952: Yes, you must reconfigure your kernel for changing the font size. 2010-06-23 16:08 (AFAIK) 2010-06-23 16:08 unless you use fbterm, or something. 2010-06-23 16:09 It's not *that* hard... 2010-06-23 16:09 sdschulze: no vga boot option equivalent? 2010-06-23 16:10 bartbes: That would require you to reconfigure uboot. 2010-06-23 16:10 not sure if that's easier 2010-06-23 16:23 you can unpack a deb easy enough 2010-06-23 16:23 put the binary on your install 2010-06-23 16:24 just make sure the libraries its dynamically linked to are available 2010-06-23 16:24 and fbterm rocks 2010-06-23 16:31 to get 80x25 you need a font that is 4x10 2010-06-23 16:34 if you can find a .psf font of that size, loadfont from busybox should let you use it 2010-06-23 16:35 4 pixels by 10 pixels? 2010-06-23 16:35 that would be illegible 2010-06-23 16:35 yep 2010-06-23 16:35 indeed 2010-06-23 16:35 well, almost 2010-06-23 16:35 the offset lcd matric is problem enough 2010-06-23 16:35 gmu seems to do a good job 2010-06-23 16:35 larsc: now that sg_miter is used to iterate over the buffers, can max_seg_size be increased beyond PAGE_SIZE? 2010-06-23 16:35 yeah true, forgot about that 2010-06-23 16:36 gmu seems to be using a 5x or 6x font 2010-06-23 16:37 (hi!) smallest misc font that X have - 4x6 (look at your /usr/share/fonts/misc/ ) 2010-06-23 16:37 is it a psf max_posedon? 2010-06-23 16:37 4x6-ISO8859-13.pcf, you mean pcf, yes? 2010-06-23 16:38 but I suggest smth like 6x10 to be more readable 2010-06-23 16:38 nod 2010-06-23 16:38 i configured my kernel for 8x8 2010-06-23 16:39 i think i do mean psf... hang on 2010-06-23 16:39 mth: yes. i though i already changed it back 2010-06-23 16:39 yeah i did mean psf 2010-06-23 16:39 though, pcf appears to be a bitmap font as well 2010-06-23 16:40 i tried to convert some nice tt fonts into psf w/o much lucky due to basic difference in the nature of the fonts 2010-06-23 16:41 Lars-Peter Clausen: Revert "jz4740-mmc: Limit max_seg_size to PAGE_SIZE" http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/47bce8d 2010-06-23 16:42 and back to sleep 2010-06-23 16:42 was working the world cup 2010-06-23 16:42 *watching 2010-06-23 16:42 ls -la /usr/share/consolefonts 2010-06-23 16:44 also I think some tools can convert them 2010-06-23 16:44 nod 2010-06-23 16:44 freespace: I don't want to know what you do with the world cup.. :P 2010-06-23 16:44 fontforge or something 2010-06-23 16:44 http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/FAQ 2010-06-23 16:44 i forgot i started that page JUST for the font question :P 2010-06-23 16:45 i think the one right after that should be "how do i get fbterm" 2010-06-23 16:45 :P 2010-06-23 16:46 followed by "how do i get doom" 2010-06-23 16:46 (vi would be before that,but it _already_ comes with vi, how awesome) 2010-06-23 16:46 doom! 2010-06-23 16:46 doom in vim? 2010-06-23 16:47 vim is not emacs, so no 2010-06-23 16:47 *bomtish* 2010-06-23 16:47 no vim is better than emacs 2010-06-23 16:47 cue editor war 2010-06-23 16:47 now let me bravely run away from the eamcs users, so good night! 2010-06-23 16:48 do we even have an emacs openwrt port? just seen some debian user running emacs 2010-06-23 16:50 Does debian on nano glibc or uclibc based? 2010-06-23 16:50 s/nano/Ben Nanonote/ 2010-06-23 17:53 max_posedon: i guess is glibc 2010-06-23 17:54 ulibc is for openwrt surelly 2010-06-23 17:55 I would like to say, that uclibc is for embedded, not for some distro 2010-06-23 17:55 I just was interested in. 2010-06-23 18:03 i think thatw why emdebian exists 2010-06-23 18:22 hello, somebody using X (on nn) debian people? 2010-06-23 21:19 larsc: would it make sense to use enums for the clock array indices? that may make it more readable than literal numbers 2010-06-23 21:39 hi, I'm playing around with creating a gui with a mouse and icons for fun. I'm using SDL I do not have a program that I have on my desktop which is required by make "sdl-config" I also do not have and probablly need libsdl-dev. Can anyone point me in the right direction ? 2010-06-23 21:41 are you compiling on the NN? 2010-06-23 21:48 yes I was trying to 2010-06-23 21:48 I also tried to move the executalbe over after it was compiled 2010-06-23 21:48 however it was compiled on a 64bit amd running fedora13 so... 2010-06-23 21:51 I think the recommeded approach is to put debian on it and then "port" it over 2010-06-23 21:52 there are different approaches that are all valid 2010-06-23 21:52 you can compile on the device itself, then you need the development package, which will include sdl-config as well 2010-06-23 21:52 or you can cross compile, in that case you need a cross compiler (mipsel-linux-gcc) and the headers matching the installed libraries 2010-06-23 21:53 as far as I know, openwrt uses cross compilation 2010-06-23 21:53 ah thanks, I think I'd rather compile on the device 2010-06-23 21:53 how do I get the development package? 2010-06-23 21:54 would also like to do native compiles. 2010-06-23 21:54 I've looked and there don't appear to be any installable packages for gcc & other support apps 2010-06-23 21:55 emeb: I don't know if there are for openwrt, but for Debian there certainly are 2010-06-23 21:56 mth: yep - I was looking through the openwrt list, not debian. 2010-06-23 22:01 emeb: you could build gcc for mipsel-linux host + target on a PC 2010-06-23 22:02 but it's not a simple process 2010-06-23 22:06 Xiangfu Liu: remove uboot-for-xbboot.bin and zimage.bin, for now we don't need those file for end user. http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/b862fca 2010-06-23 22:06 Xiangfu Liu: Merge branch 'xburst' of projects.qi-hardware.com:openwrt-xburst into xburst http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/1f8cf8c 2010-06-23 22:06 Xiangfu Liu: Merge branch 'master' of projects.qi-hardware.com:openwrt-xburst into xburst http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/806883a 2010-06-23 22:06 mth: I was considering that, but I think you're right it would be a PITA 2010-06-23 22:10 is it possible to just copy some openwrt files over ? 2010-06-23 22:11 over to where? 2010-06-23 22:11 (and from where?) 2010-06-23 22:12 mth: I don't exaclt know but I was thinking  some libsdl-dev file and whatever else people might need 2010-06-23 22:13 amd64 and mipsel are completely different CPU architectures, so binaries won't mix 2010-06-23 22:14 yeah I didn't figure it would, I almost didn't mention that I tried it 2010-06-23 22:14 you could try to put debian mipsel binaries on openwrt, but it won't work unless you have all dependencies installed, including glibc 2010-06-23 22:15 you could do that inside a directory using chroot 2010-06-23 22:15 do not put glibc in the actual system root or openwrt will break 2010-06-23 22:15 I lost you, you mean on a debian host ? 2010-06-23 22:16 no, on the NN, but I think it's too difficult to pull off unless you're very experienced with Linux 2010-06-23 22:16 there is a big risk of breaking the OS if you don't know what you're doing 2010-06-23 22:17 I don't know what I'm doing but willing to learn 2010-06-23 22:17 what about a compiler flag of some sort? 2010-06-23 22:17 it must be possible to target a specific architechure 2010-06-23 22:17 the easiest ways are either installing Debian on the NN or making your project cross compile with openwrt 2010-06-23 22:17 hcg: Add support for Marvell 88W8686 http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/8566138 2010-06-23 22:17 jow: [netfilter] package TPROXY target and module infrastructure http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/86b9c1d 2010-06-23 23:19 ok flashing nano, lets see what's new :O