2010-06-20 09:51 tuxbrain: yeah, i got the fbterm but it's not interesting for me any more now that i found jfbterm :) 2010-06-20 09:52 jfbterm can compile and start, but then there are some problems.. so i;m trying to dig more 2010-06-20 09:53 you got it running kyak ? 2010-06-20 09:53 it - what? 2010-06-20 09:54 i assume so; what distro? 2010-06-20 09:54 jfbterm 2010-06-20 09:54 i got it started, not running actually 2010-06-20 09:54 it's openwrt 2010-06-20 09:54 ok, cool 2010-06-20 09:54 it complains about ttys 2010-06-20 09:55 and there are some really weird problems with arguments to ioctl 2010-06-20 09:55 that's why it allocates a free tty somewhere at the end of INT :) 2010-06-20 09:56 ok :) 2010-06-20 12:39 Ulrich Hecht: don't waste CPU redrawing the screen when there's no input http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/ac2fa73 2010-06-20 13:33 morning all 2010-06-20 13:35 hey there 2010-06-20 13:36 huggles zear 2010-06-20 13:36 whats up? 2010-06-20 13:36 fiddling with my new second-hand ds ;) 2010-06-20 13:37 and it's an australian ds, too ;) 2010-06-20 13:37 a friend of mine, who lives in australia, was on a trip to germany and while being there sent me his broken ds (just a broken hinge, hardware works fine) 2010-06-20 13:38 cool 2010-06-20 13:38 gotten it to do anything fun yet? 2010-06-20 13:38 run linux :) 2010-06-20 13:38 hehe 2010-06-20 13:39 though i think it has problems with symlinks (runs on fat16), because it returns an error when i try to ls /usr/bin 2010-06-20 13:39 and generally lacks most of the commands that usually are located in that dir 2010-06-20 13:40 ...and I seem to be neatly avoid the hours that theres anyone awake in the channels I use :/ 2010-06-20 13:43 change your timezone ;P 2010-06-20 13:44 ;_; 2010-06-20 13:44 zear: I tried petitioning the government, but my requests fell on deaf ears. 2010-06-20 13:45 ;D 2010-06-20 13:46 Textmode, then get more people from australia into nanonote scene ;P 2010-06-20 13:47 heh 2010-06-20 13:48 some people from the ds scene were amazed by the nanonote when i showed it to them yesterday 2010-06-20 13:48 hehe 2010-06-20 15:21 mumblemumbles about groff+most as a _minimal_ ebook reader on nn 2010-06-20 18:18 Lars-Peter Clausen: jz4740-mmc: Limit max_seg_size to PAGE_SIZE http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/bf60cc0 2010-06-20 18:18 Lars-Peter Clausen: i2s whitespace http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/ff5123f 2010-06-20 18:41 hi, I'm following the directions found here (http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Ethernet_over_USB) to get a nanonote connected to the net 2010-06-20 18:42 newbie007, where did you get stucked? 2010-06-20 18:42 the directions worked up to a point, I can ssh to the device, nut I can't ping google (from the device I'm ssh'ed in to it) 2010-06-20 18:42 newbie007, check the /etc/resolv.conf 2010-06-20 18:43 maybe it points to the wrong dns servers 2010-06-20 18:43 can you ping ip addresses? 2010-06-20 18:43 from the host I can ping the device 2010-06-20 18:43 I'll try from the device to the host.. 2010-06-20 18:43 here's the ip of google: 66.102.13.104 2010-06-20 18:44 hmm... trying to find out how to type a number 2010-06-20 18:44 got it 2010-06-20 18:45 no I cannot ping that address 2010-06-20 18:45 ok, did you set up the nat? 2010-06-20 18:45 you need ip forwarding to have net on the nanonote 2010-06-20 18:46 I think you're right,, I might be having a selinx problem.. 2010-06-20 18:48 i have no experience with iptables, and especially no knowledge about se 2010-06-20 18:48 though the nat config commands from the wiki page worked for me just fine 2010-06-20 18:48 me too :) 2010-06-20 18:48 just check out your eth device (ifconfig -a) 2010-06-20 18:48 selinux has a list of things it blocked, the list was empty 2010-06-20 18:48 mayve it's not eth0 2010-06-20 18:48 *maybe 2010-06-20 18:49 it's eth0 2010-06-20 18:51 what I want out of the nanonote is to make other's wish they had one 2010-06-20 18:51 then it should work, but se might have some protection against changing iptables rules so easily 2010-06-20 18:51 so I made this animation, I was going to try to make a program to display it on the nanonote http://imagebin.ca/view/B5v8zMkB.html 2010-06-20 18:52 that looks cool, is it free as in freedom? 2010-06-20 18:52 I think it's my host OS,, I'll have to digg into it 2010-06-20 18:52 so we could use it in main nanonote distro? 2010-06-20 18:52 I found the image on images.google.com you can have it. If you want the origianl gimp created .xcf file you can have it 2010-06-20 18:53 I was going to take the mp3 player program called gmu, and try to transform it into a image display program 2010-06-20 18:53 I turned the still image into an animated one 2010-06-20 18:54 thought it would be a cool boot up logo, but not sure if that is possible 2010-06-20 18:54 hmm.. why would you turn gmu into an image display program? 2010-06-20 18:54 you could just write a simple sdl program for displaying this animation instead 2010-06-20 18:55 I'm completely new to graphical c programs 2010-06-20 18:55 not c but... 2010-06-20 18:55 well, you'd still have to completely rewrite the gmu, right? :) 2010-06-20 18:56 if you know a better program to use as an example I'm all ears (eyes?) 2010-06-20 18:56 I would probablly end up deleteing 99% of gmu, kind of ridiclous I agree 2010-06-20 18:56 well, any sdl tutorial sample program you can find on the net ;) 2010-06-20 18:56 we have imgv as a imave viewer 2010-06-20 18:56 urandom_, how does the imgv work? 2010-06-20 18:57 i haven't tried it yet 2010-06-20 18:57 but maybe i could port it to the dingux 2010-06-20 18:57 I was looking to put dingux on it but couldn't find step by step directions or really a official location 2010-06-20 18:57 for what, the dingoo? 2010-06-20 18:57 works ok, could display some pictures, rotate them, zoom them 2010-06-20 18:58 ah, yeah 2010-06-20 18:58 for nanonote 2010-06-20 18:58 ah 2010-06-20 18:58 there's no need to put dingux on the nanonote 2010-06-20 18:58 it wouldn't work 2010-06-20 18:58 because of the lcd drivers 2010-06-20 18:58 but dingux apps are binary compatible with the nanonote 2010-06-20 18:58 oh, I thought it did 2010-06-20 18:58 too bad 2010-06-20 18:58 so you can simply just run them on your nano 2010-06-20 18:58 there's completely no point running dingux on the nano 2010-06-20 18:58 because it's just a normal linux kernel, the same you have already running on the nn 2010-06-20 18:58 you could take the opendingux kernel from git and choose the LCD instead of SLCD driver 2010-06-20 18:59 from what i hear dingux isnt that good 2010-06-20 18:59 but there's no point, dingux is just a kernel, and for a different device 2010-06-20 18:59 but probably it's easier to just install the Dingux libs and add them to your LD_LIBRARY_PATH 2010-06-20 18:59 and you can already run the whole dingux userland on the current nanonote distro just fine 2010-06-20 18:59 I just want something that looks cool 2010-06-20 19:00 newbie007, kernel itself can't, and won't look cool 2010-06-20 19:00 what you think about it a gui 2010-06-20 19:00 is there any sort of gnome like thing ? 2010-06-20 19:00 and you already have the same gmenu2x running on the nano 2010-06-20 19:00 I guess that is what I want 2010-06-20 19:00 if I can get it on the net I'll try that first 2010-06-20 19:00 newbie007, there's X11 port with icewm and matchbox for the nanonote with jlime distro 2010-06-20 19:01 newbie007, have you ever updated the firmware for your nn? 2010-06-20 19:01 the newest one comes with gmenu2x preinstalled 2010-06-20 19:01 could I ask someone to look at my host OS's iptables and tell me if that is my issue (cannot connect nanonote to internet though usb) 2010-06-20 19:01 not me, i know nothing about iptables 2010-06-20 19:01 zear, no just got it 2010-06-20 19:01 newbie007, then upgrade it ;) 2010-06-20 19:01 oh 2010-06-20 19:01 maybe I have it... 2010-06-20 19:02 would I type gmenu2x ? 2010-06-20 19:02 try it 2010-06-20 19:02 but you probably have a very ancient firmware 2010-06-20 19:02 no, doesn't work 2010-06-20 19:02 newbie007 http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/How_to_reflash ;) 2010-06-20 19:02 the pre-gmenu2x one 2010-06-20 19:02 how can I tell what verion I have? 2010-06-20 19:03 newbie007, uname -a 2010-06-20 19:03 should show the kernel compilation time 2010-06-20 19:04 the ben is shipped with a very old firmware 2010-06-20 19:04 I have 2.6.32.3-g023227d-dirty #1 PREEMPT Wed Jan... 2010-06-20 19:05 ... (Jan 13 2010) 2010-06-20 19:05 well time to reflash! 2010-06-20 19:05 my problem with reflashing it is that my host OS is Fedora 13 2010-06-20 19:05 dpkg get I think is a debian command 2010-06-20 19:06 i used fedora for reflashing too 2010-06-20 19:06 sweet!! help!! 2010-06-20 19:06 there is a binary package  also 2010-06-20 19:06 newbie007, you can just download a .tar.gz of the reflasher 2010-06-20 19:06 so distro independent 2010-06-20 19:07 yeah, what urandom_ said 2010-06-20 19:07 oh 2010-06-20 19:07 but i think it is older, you can also just unzip the deb 2010-06-20 19:07 dpkg is like rpm,, oh.. cool ok 2010-06-20 19:07 how do I unzip a deb? 2010-06-20 19:07 is it a tar gzip ? 2010-06-20 19:08 yeah i think it is, try 2010-06-20 19:08 i don't remember, but you can try renaming it to gzip 2010-06-20 19:08 I see a bzip that has the same date 2010-06-20 19:08 in that there is a /usr directory 2010-06-20 19:09 so are you saying I can just copy these files over ? 2010-06-20 19:09 newbie007, that should be it, simply copy it ti /usr on your root filesystem 2010-06-20 19:09 *to 2010-06-20 19:09 yep, exactly 2010-06-20 19:09 that's what i did 2010-06-20 19:09 huh,, ok I'll give it a try thanks! 2010-06-20 19:11 you will also need "confuse", you can install it with you package manager, should be in repo 2010-06-20 19:13 ok I got it, thanks 2010-06-20 19:21 I see options to reboot u-boot, the kernel partition, or the rootfs,, what should I be doing? 2010-06-20 19:22 perhaps it's all been updated since Jan 13 2010-06-20 19:23 newbie007 you could do it manually like in this order http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/How_to_reflash#Example or just use the reflash-ben.sh which might or might not work 2010-06-20 19:28 urandom_, just one thing - if after running the flashing script the nanonote doesn't want to boot, don't panic 2010-06-20 19:28 for me the script never flashes the bootloader right 2010-06-20 19:28 and i have to flash it manually 2010-06-20 19:29 anyway, have to go, cya 2010-06-20 20:34 hey guys, is there a new reflash out for the nanonote? 2010-06-20 20:35 xakh: what is a new reflash? 2010-06-20 20:36 you mean a new OpenWrt image? 2010-06-20 20:36 that's the one. 2010-06-20 20:36 a new image. 2010-06-20 20:36 yes, 2010-06-15 2010-06-20 20:36 sorry, bad with language today 2010-06-20 20:36 fantastic. 2010-06-20 20:36 what's it include? 2010-06-20 20:36 xakh http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Official_Software_Image#Image_2010-06-15 2010-06-20 20:37 I reflashed 219 Nanos in our warehouse in Hong Kong with 2010-06-15, it better be good! :-) 2010-06-20 20:37 haha 2010-06-20 20:37 and how's Jlime coming along? is it working? 2010-06-20 20:37 xakh: yes I think so, they posted something about a beta release 2010-06-20 20:38 haven't tried it yet though 2010-06-20 20:38 ooh. 2010-06-20 20:38 wolfspraul you better disable gmenu2x autostart on them :P 2010-06-20 20:38 I love my gmenu.... 2010-06-20 20:39 urandom_: u mean the flickering? 2010-06-20 20:39 yeah, it's horrible. It was a tough decision but I decided to still reflash them because it is our official image, and leaving the 2010-01-13 on them wouldn't have been much better either. 2010-06-20 20:40 I noticed when I go into dgClock and back the flickering goes away entirely on my own Nano. strange. 2010-06-20 20:40 urandom_: why disable gmenu2x? 2010-06-20 20:41 what's going on with flickering? 2010-06-20 20:41 cause of flickering, it can only acces /card/ and most people disable it anyway 2010-06-20 20:42 i mean it is not bad but in really needs much improvements to be usefull 2010-06-20 20:42 urandom_: I agree about the need of improvements, but booting into a GUY first is not bad I think. 2010-06-20 20:43 but yeah, lots of work... 2010-06-20 20:43 hey, guys, while you're here 2010-06-20 20:43 I'm no good with porting and cross compilation 2010-06-20 20:43 but I found something that might be useful. 2010-06-20 20:43 http://www.netsurf-browser.org/ 2010-06-20 20:43 this browser 2010-06-20 20:43 wolfspraul into a GUY? :P 2010-06-20 20:44 GUI 2010-06-20 20:44 :-) 2010-06-20 20:44 this browser is completely self contained, and even has a FB version available 2010-06-20 20:45 with some work, it could easily become the browser of choice for the Ya. 2010-06-20 20:47 xakh: can you add it to the wishlist? 2010-06-20 20:47 http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Software_Status#Blue_sky 2010-06-20 20:47 (wiki pages need to be merged, but once it's in there it won't be forgotten) 2010-06-20 20:49 got it in there! 2010-06-20 20:49 wolfspraul i dont think running dgClock changes something about the flickering in gmenu2x for me, at least not visible 2010-06-20 20:51 also, could we change the graphical interface to this one? 2010-06-20 20:51 http://dl.openhandhelds.org/cgi-bin/dingoo.cgi?0,0,0,0,116,139 2010-06-20 20:51 but i have a nice flickering on the top left corner after running startdict :P 2010-06-20 20:51 oh, and there's this one 2010-06-20 20:51 http://dl.openhandhelds.org/cgi-bin/dingoo.cgi?0,0,0,0,116,257 2010-06-20 20:52 xakh i think i tryed to run it once but no luck ( the first one) 2010-06-20 20:52 Ah. 2010-06-20 20:53 crap, be back later, see you guys in a bit! 2010-06-20 20:56 urandom_: hmm [dgclock] thanks 2010-06-20 20:56 lots of work ahead, please remember we are a few volunteers and part-timers and people that work for free or donate their own money for this project :-) 2010-06-20 20:56 so to me the progress I see is exciting 2010-06-20 20:57 urandom_: can you write up some bugs in the issue tracker? 2010-06-20 20:57 In general I think there are 2 ways we can go about this: 2010-06-20 20:57 one - we think that some of those GUI apps that are now in the OpenWrt image will be replaced with something else, then nobody will work on fixing them because we think they will be replaced. 2010-06-20 20:58 two - we settle on those apps and little by little fix/improve them and get those fixes applied upstream 2010-06-20 20:58 I played with GMU and was surprised how well it worked. 2010-06-20 20:58 alright, i got my irc client on my phone 2010-06-20 20:58 stardict - fonts didn't show, and I think the navigation is not good 2010-06-20 20:59 GMU is awesome, we should definitely settle on it 2010-06-20 20:59 dclock, didn't work well for me at all 2010-06-20 20:59 urandom_: only I didn't find the TAB key for a while 2010-06-20 20:59 GMU needs slightly better doco 2010-06-20 20:59 i wasnt able to change time in dclock i think 2010-06-20 20:59 exiting by alt-enter wasn't obvious 2010-06-20 21:00 so, does the new openwrt image have the arrows to cursor movement? 2010-06-20 21:00 freespace: yeah, you mean GMU? Both Tab and Alt weren't obvious to me. 2010-06-20 21:01 nod 2010-06-20 21:01 but anyway, it's great progress 2010-06-20 21:01 indeed 2010-06-20 21:01 we are building a whole distro here 2010-06-20 21:01 so i can navigate fb apps? 2010-06-20 21:01 it's unreal 2010-06-20 21:01 i patched imgv, waiting for some one to apply it :P 2010-06-20 21:01 nick xakh 2010-06-20 21:01 dang it 2010-06-20 21:01 no Microsoft, no Shuttleworth, no Google 2010-06-20 21:01 ah 2010-06-20 21:01 i think wejp wants to make gmu display some help menu on first startup or something like that 2010-06-20 21:01 freespace: apply? 2010-06-20 21:01 that would be all that's required 2010-06-20 21:01 and possibly standardise on Q/esc for app exit 2010-06-20 21:01 you mean commit to the source repository? 2010-06-20 21:01 this is so cool, i feel like i'm watching something awesome happen 2010-06-20 21:02 wolfspraul: yeah 2010-06-20 21:02 hmm 2010-06-20 21:02 I didn't see the patch. I don't think Niels would have a problem with you committing right into the project. 2010-06-20 21:02 Let's ask him! 2010-06-20 21:03 yeah, i would too have a problem with a random committing :) 2010-06-20 21:03 oh sure, we have to have that time. Let me email him, cc you 2010-06-20 21:03 what is your email address? 2010-06-20 21:03 s.qi@pictorii.com 2010-06-20 21:03 k one sec 2010-06-20 21:04 the future is mips, and i'm really happy to be a part of it. 2010-06-20 21:04 also, for those debugging directfb issues, the libdirectfb's makefile doesn't have --enable-debug, it has --enable-debug-support which by itself is useless 2010-06-20 21:05 but that's openwrt's issue :P 2010-06-20 21:05 uhm wolfspraul what bugs did you want me to add on the issue tracker? 2010-06-20 21:06 urandom_: usability issues in the UI, for example 2010-06-20 21:06 of course anything you think is buggy 2010-06-20 21:07 http://projects.qi-hardware.com/p/ben-nanonote/issues 2010-06-20 21:07 freespace: would it help you if you had commit access to openwrt-xburst ? 2010-06-20 21:08 I mean the projects server is there so we can efficiently collaborate :-) 2010-06-20 21:08 hm. i feel bad because i can't think of much to contribute. 2010-06-20 21:09 Xakh: cleanup the wiki 2010-06-20 21:09 we would erect a 10m high bronze statue for you 2010-06-20 21:09 but it's tedious work, be warned 2010-06-20 21:10 haha! i'll get working on that when i get home. my brother's band is playing a gig, so i can't do much right now 2010-06-20 21:10 nice 2010-06-20 21:10 (your brother playing I meant) 2010-06-20 21:10 wolfspraul: if you guys trust me :P sure 2010-06-20 21:11 do you have an account on projects already? 2010-06-20 21:11 yeah 2010-06-20 21:11 no problem. i usually do uv mapping, so tedium isn't that big a deal to me 2010-06-20 21:12 freespace: what's the user name? 2010-06-20 21:12 speaking of the wiki this http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Updating_Ben_NanoNote_software#Example and this http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Updating_Ben_NanoNote_software#Solution might be merged but i am not sure how, i wanted to translate the page but discovered that it is a mess ^^ 2010-06-20 21:12 freespace 2010-06-20 21:13 hi, I just reflashed the device, using the script, and now my device won't turn on just get a black screen. No red led either 2010-06-20 21:13 any suggestions? 2010-06-20 21:13 unplug from usb, remove battery, say 2 hail mary's, put battery back in 2010-06-20 21:13 newbie008 flashing u-boot did not work, try again 2010-06-20 21:14 (ok, you can replace 2 hail marys with count to 10) 2010-06-20 21:14 well, red only comes on when you're charging 2010-06-20 21:14 freespace: added you to both openwrt-xburst and openwrt-packages 2010-06-20 21:14 ok cool! 2010-06-20 21:14 have fun, thank you so much for any tidbit you can contribute there! 2010-06-20 21:14 will do :) 2010-06-20 21:15 ok I tried the battery method first, and it came on 2010-06-20 21:15 wow gui! 2010-06-20 21:15 so if the device is fully charged or you're not plugged in the wall, the light won't be on 2010-06-20 21:15 newbie008: awesome :) 2010-06-20 21:15 any way to know when it's fully charged? 2010-06-20 21:15 newbie008: is your LCM flickering? 2010-06-20 21:15 LCM? 2010-06-20 21:16 sorry your screen 2010-06-20 21:16 the display 2010-06-20 21:16 no mouse.. 2010-06-20 21:16 no looks great 2010-06-20 21:16 ok good 2010-06-20 21:16 wolfspraul: statu on easy captchas on wiki? 2010-06-20 21:16 the script sometimes locks up, so you may want to do the old method and flash all 3 parts separately 2010-06-20 21:16 it worked for mine 2010-06-20 21:16 at the top I see applications and settings,, how can I get to these? the arrow keys just move the lower portion of the screen 2010-06-20 21:17 z and x map to "a" and "b" 2010-06-20 21:17 q and p map to "l" and "r" 2010-06-20 21:17 gmenu2x is designed for a game console 2010-06-20 21:17 imagine you are in fact using this on a snes 2010-06-20 21:17 i think a and s map to "x" and "y" 2010-06-20 21:17 oh ha 2010-06-20 21:17 but it kicks ass all the same! 2010-06-20 21:17 enter is "start" 2010-06-20 21:18 i forget what maps to "select" 2010-06-20 21:18 enter doesn't seem to select 2010-06-20 21:18 urandom_: about the wiki 2010-06-20 21:18 try tab 2010-06-20 21:18 my plan was to have a structure similar to some good computing articles on wikipedia 2010-06-20 21:18 I wrote down some thoughts here: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Talk:NanoNote 2010-06-20 21:18 first thing i did after flashing new firmware was to build my own removing gmenu2x... :P 2010-06-20 21:18 escape is select i think. 2010-06-20 21:18 the idea is that you can slowly 'dive in' 2010-06-20 21:18 you start high-level, with 'NanoNote' 2010-06-20 21:18 it's X 2010-06-20 21:19 then you can dive into hardware, software, manufacturing, etc. whatever you like 2010-06-20 21:19 sp 2010-06-20 21:19 so "b" then 2010-06-20 21:19 the more intuitive the 'diving into' is, and the deeper you can go, the better 2010-06-20 21:19 I think we need to change these keys around so that enter selects, perhaps the shift other down shift buttons do the L& R 2010-06-20 21:20 if you look at that Talk:NanoNote page you see I chose some 'reference' articles based on the quality assigned to them by Wikipedia's Project Computing effort 2010-06-20 21:20 so I will start like that, at least that's the plan but since late March I never go to do anything! :-) 2010-06-20 21:21 well, you should make the captcha easier so us highly intelligent computers can do it :P 2010-06-20 21:21 i tried against last night when a captcha I thought I could read 2010-06-20 21:21 turns out i couldn't, again! 2010-06-20 21:21 argh 2010-06-20 21:21 it is a dehumanising experience 2010-06-20 21:21 *bomtish* 2010-06-20 21:21 I will do it today. 2010-06-20 21:21 there is a math captcha 2010-06-20 21:21 lets do that 2010-06-20 21:21 please understand this spam spots are nasty 2010-06-20 21:21 yeah 2010-06-20 21:22 and then it's me who has to drag all this shit edits out one by one 2010-06-20 21:22 wait wait, what level of math? 2010-06-20 21:22 :-) 2010-06-20 21:22 how to exit gmu ? 2010-06-20 21:22 alt-enter 2010-06-20 21:22 wait no 2010-06-20 21:22 that's gmu 2010-06-20 21:22 alt-ctrl-q 2010-06-20 21:22 that work 2010-06-20 21:22 alt+enter 2010-06-20 21:22 alt-enter worked? 2010-06-20 21:22 yes 2010-06-20 21:22 ok well there you go 2010-06-20 21:23 i'm going to be organizing this late at night, and there may be drinking involved here, so let's not make this too challenging? 2010-06-20 21:23 i submitted a ticket about these issues :P 2010-06-20 21:23 we need to standardize on these keys,, but I am throughally impressed 2010-06-20 21:23 is a proflict complainer 2010-06-20 21:23 prolifict rather 2010-06-20 21:23 also can't spell worth a damn 2010-06-20 21:24 the dictionary seems to freeze, I just see a flesh colored screen 2010-06-20 21:24 sweet, right? 2010-06-20 21:24 wait for it 2010-06-20 21:24 takes about 90s for first run 2010-06-20 21:24 building index apparently 2010-06-20 21:24 see if you can reproduce the issue i had, which was you can't scroll a definition no matter what you do 2010-06-20 21:24 ok it's up. I see a mouse, but no way to move it 2010-06-20 21:24 there is no mouse at all 2010-06-20 21:25 also I think fonts are broken 2010-06-20 21:25 fonts were ok for me 2010-06-20 21:25 there is a pointer in the dictionary program, looks like a mouse 2010-06-20 21:25 we should probably supply a directfbrc in /etc with no-cursor in there 2010-06-20 21:25 mouse should be just disabled 2010-06-20 21:25 yeah, that's from directfb 2010-06-20 21:25 so, guys, avoid math captchas, i am not known for my arithmetic skills 2010-06-20 21:26 at least i am pretty sure it is 2010-06-20 21:26 after exiting starDict I see flickering around the top left corner of the screen 2010-06-20 21:26 i got that too 2010-06-20 21:26 not entirely sure what causes that 2010-06-20 21:26 how do I exit this gui? 2010-06-20 21:27 Xakh: we are only talking about anonymous edits in the wiki here 2010-06-20 21:28 and what programs can I help work on? 2010-06-20 21:28 so you can still create an account and there is no captcha at all, only for account creation 2010-06-20 21:28 oh i really cant scroll in stardict but it worked in the last image 2010-06-20 21:28 and maybe at that one occasion you will be able to do simple plus or minus math, like 4+7 = ?? :-) 2010-06-20 21:28 i forgot newbie008, sorry 2010-06-20 21:28 urandom_: for me I needed to tabe before I could go up and down 2010-06-20 21:28 urandom_: we need a test plan 2010-06-20 21:28 too many regressions 2010-06-20 21:28 another thing that is missing in the wiki 2010-06-20 21:29 wait no it works 2010-06-20 21:29 yeah we need a plan 2010-06-20 21:29 i suppose so, it's 15, right? ;) jk 2010-06-20 21:29 but it is flickering extremely while scrolling 2010-06-20 21:31 entering the clock and leaving it removes the flicker 2010-06-20 21:32 I do not think there is a way to exit this gui, I've tried every button 2010-06-20 21:32 oh and it doesnt properly quit if it isnt run from gmenu2x 2010-06-20 21:33 I use ctrl alt F1 to exit, saw it somewhere 2010-06-20 21:33 newbie008 well i do crt-+alt+f1 and then ctr+c, that works 2010-06-20 21:33 newbie008: ctrl-alt-f1 to console (enter is enough) 2010-06-20 21:33 ctrl-alt-f5 back to GUI 2010-06-20 21:33 ctrl-alt-f2 .. f4 are other consoles 2010-06-20 21:34 I did the ctrl+alt+f1 and got to a text screen which said something like "jz-codec <-> ..." 2010-06-20 21:34 newbie008: press 'enter' 2010-06-20 21:34 then ctrl+c, which now says "Please wait while the graphical enviroment is loading..." 2010-06-20 21:35 ah enter now gives me the console 2010-06-20 21:35 hey, is there a way to add a user yet? 2010-06-20 21:35 thanks all 2010-06-20 21:36 we're here to help! 2010-06-20 21:36 yeah I want to get a couple of thin clients and use this computer giving my entire family a login 2010-06-20 21:37 I'm off to /dev/null  if there is a bug list on the wiki I'll start looking at it 2010-06-20 21:39 oh, and i lost my button for shorting. what's recommended for a substitute? 2010-06-20 21:41 tinfoil 2010-06-20 21:41 or is there another way into usbboot? 2010-06-20 21:42 press u on startup if you have a working and newer bootloader 2010-06-20 21:42 epic. 2010-06-20 21:43 can i keep the battery in? 2010-06-20 21:44 maybe but i think it might cause problems 2010-06-20 21:45 hm. 2010-06-20 21:47 If I use 'halt' to shut down then 'u' & 'm' power up seem to work better 2010-06-20 21:47 oh i cant use my wiki account for projects? 2010-06-20 21:54 xiangfu: i'm gonna start work organizing the wiki tonight. you got anything you want added there? 2010-06-20 21:55 Xakh: no. 2010-06-20 21:55 alright, just checking. 2010-06-20 22:11 urandom_: Xakh keeping the battery in should not cause problems. 2010-06-20 22:11 if it does, it's a bug in how the system is shutdown 2010-06-20 22:11 so if you want to be totally safe and sure you are starting from a fully unpowered state, sure remove the battery 2010-06-20 22:12 but if we get software perfect, it shouldn't matter 2010-06-20 22:16 i think some people reported problems with keeping battery and i had the problem myself (but might have been somthing else that caused it, hard to tell) 2010-06-20 22:17 wolfspraul why do we have to create an account for projects and one for the wiki? 2010-06-20 22:19 urandom_: not enough server admin resources :-) 2010-06-20 22:20 wiki = MediaWiki, projects = Indefero 2010-06-20 22:20 of course a joint account system would be cool 2010-06-20 22:20 but realistically I think it won't happen anytime soon, there are so many other more high-priority tasks, lower hanging fruits... 2010-06-20 22:21 I will try to do the visual math captcha on mediawiki today, for anonymous edits 2010-06-20 22:21 (or account creations) 2010-06-20 22:21 then I should test the OpenID login, but probably not today 2010-06-20 22:22 thats sad cause many people will think "oh i found an issue lets report it, oh wait i have to register, nah just forget about it" 2010-06-20 22:23 true 2010-06-20 22:23 totally agree 2010-06-20 22:23 and yeah i understand there is other importand stuff to do 2010-06-20 22:24 let's do it step by step 2010-06-20 22:24 first make the captcha on the wiki easier 2010-06-20 22:25 maybe someone can look into how we can hook Indefero into another account backend 2010-06-20 22:27 i really should try to get some working toolchain for the ben ... one day 2010-06-20 23:21 I can just yank the cable out when I'm done with the flash? 2010-06-20 23:22 yeah 2010-06-20 23:27 hi, what is the difference between openwrt-xburst-qi_lb60-root.ubi, u-boot.bin, and uImage.bin ? 2010-06-20 23:27 u-boot.bin is the bootloader 2010-06-20 23:28 openwrt-xburst-qi_lb60-root.ubi is the root filesystem 2010-06-20 23:29 and uImage is the kernel 2010-06-20 23:29 ah, thank you 2010-06-20 23:30 how does a group of programs become the root.ubi file ? 2010-06-20 23:30 I want to try changing the files around then reflashing the device 2010-06-20 23:31 if I come up with anything, I'd contribute it back 2010-06-20 23:31 i dont understand your question, you want to build your own root filesystem? 2010-06-20 23:33 the image is build like this http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Building_Software_Image#Building_OpenWrt-image_from_source 2010-06-20 23:33 well, I want to mess with the programs, I was thinking of changing the gui's help message to reflect the actual keys, then going from there 2010-06-20 23:35 perfect 2010-06-20 23:35 wow 6 hours 2010-06-20 23:35 here is a better how to http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/my-first-port-ben-nanonote-gnuchess-howto 2010-06-20 23:36 thanks! 2010-06-20 23:37 ah and this stuff requires lots of disk space, so check if you have enough 2010-06-20 23:41 it's funny this is the smallest linux distro ever 2010-06-20 23:42 openwrt? well it was made for router 2010-06-20 23:43 so it hast to be small