2010-06-17 00:02 <Textmode> buildin', buildin', buildin' / keep that soucecode buildin' / buildin', buildin', buildin' / alllll night!
2010-06-17 00:05 <calamarz> Textmode: what are you building?
2010-06-17 00:05 <Textmode> openwrt-xburst
2010-06-17 00:06 <kristianpaul> anyone remene the name name wich is fault tolerant ?
2010-06-17 00:06 <kristianpaul> damm sorry
2010-06-17 00:06 <kristianpaul> i need  sleep better
2010-06-17 00:06 <kristianpaul> i was askign the name of the network system wich is fault tolerant
2010-06-17 00:09 <calamarz> kristianpaul: network fs?
2010-06-17 00:12 <kristianpaul> calamarz: i think is missing something, at least you can point me to the wikipedia article
2010-06-17 00:12 <kristianpaul> anyw ay
2010-06-17 00:12 <kristianpaul> gn9
2010-06-17 00:13 <calamarz> kristianpaul: just was wondering if you mean network filesystems with fault tolerance
2010-06-17 00:32 <freespace> hrm, why is openwrt's build system insisting on running make install :/
2010-06-17 00:33 <freespace> i had overwritten Build/Compile, but it is still doing it
2010-06-17 00:33 <Textmode> :/
2010-06-17 00:34 <Textmode> is that bad?
2010-06-17 00:34 <freespace> well it is not letting me compile fbpad
2010-06-17 00:34 <freespace> hrm, i tihnk i will just pach the makefile to have one
2010-06-17 00:35 <freespace> that feels bad though
2010-06-17 00:42 <Textmode>  :o
2010-06-17 00:42 <Textmode> the build finished
2010-06-17 00:43 <Textmode> ...what do I do now? :P
2010-06-17 00:44 <freespace> flash it? :)
2010-06-17 00:44 <freespace> i made a dir on the same level as openwrt-xburst called custom_image
2010-06-17 00:45 <freespace> symlink'd the ubi and bin files from openwrt-xburst/bin/xburst
2010-06-17 00:45 <freespace> copied the u-boot.bin in there as well
2010-06-17 00:45 <freespace> then used reflash_ben.sh
2010-06-17 00:51 <kyak> every morning i'm reading the backlog and understand that everbody is minding his own business.. maybe only a short notice in chan "i did this, i did that"
2010-06-17 00:51 <kyak> no documentation, no common source of information
2010-06-17 00:52 <kyak> perhaps this is due to the fact of owrt/debian/jlime/dingoo actually splitting the community
2010-06-17 00:54 <kyak> our efforts are spread
2010-06-17 00:54 <kyak> we need to kind of TODO list for Ben
2010-06-17 00:54 <kyak> *some kind of
2010-06-17 00:56 <kyak> or me can keep acting as every man for himself
2010-06-17 01:06 <Textmode> i think everyone is still trying to see what can be done.
2010-06-17 01:06 <Textmode> though I do agree that theres a lot of repeated effort.
2010-06-17 01:06 <Textmode> that, at least, should be reduced.
2010-06-17 01:08 <Textmode> freespace: why would I flash it, all I wantted was the toolchain
2010-06-17 01:08 <kyak> it is mostly a question of what _needs_ to be done, that what can be done
2010-06-17 01:09 <Textmode> kyak: yes, but theres more than one way to skin a cat, certain things might "need" to be done, but whats the *best* way?
2010-06-17 01:10 <Textmode> surely theres such a list on the wiki, or something?
2010-06-17 01:10 <kyak> i've never seen such list
2010-06-17 01:10 <Textmode> then that seems like a good place to start.
2010-06-17 01:13 <calamarz> kyak: roadmap++
2010-06-17 01:14 <kyak> more like todo++
2010-06-17 01:15 <calamarz> kyak: and maybe also important communication channels for each 'team', as there are people of several and different fronts
2010-06-17 01:15 <calamarz> personally I don't see dist splitting as a problem
2010-06-17 01:15 <calamarz> as long as there is cross-fertilization
2010-06-17 01:16 <calamarz> something interesting would be ipkg<->deb conversions
2010-06-17 01:16 <kyak> dist splitting leads to less effort put in each of them
2010-06-17 01:16 <freespace> Textmode: ah, i see :)
2010-06-17 01:17 <Textmode> I think kyak's point is that its a bit to early to be splitting our effort
2010-06-17 01:17 <kyak> it's like thousands of linux distros.. just a waste of human resources
2010-06-17 01:17 <kyak> Textmode: maybe you are right! Maybe we need to have a solid base
2010-06-17 01:17 <Textmode> kyak: most linux distro's have their own flavor, though. they solve different problems, and are targeted at differnet users.
2010-06-17 01:18 <kyak> Textmode: yes, this is why 20-30 distros would be enough
2010-06-17 01:18 <kyak> or even less
2010-06-17 01:18 <kyak> but not literally thousand
2010-06-17 01:18 <kyak> s
2010-06-17 01:19 <Textmode> kyak: I wouldn't be so sure, theres a lot more feaild of endevour than you thing, and everyone has their own style and preferences.
2010-06-17 01:19 <calamarz> for the nn, I see openwrt/debian as a very good couple
2010-06-17 01:19 <Textmode> thats not to say there *isn't* just plain wasted effort out there, how many "micro *nixes" do we really need?
2010-06-17 01:19 <Textmode> I mean, how many ways is there to make a minimal system?
2010-06-17 01:20 <calamarz> what would be for you the most urgent thing now in the todo?
2010-06-17 01:20 <kyak> Textmode: let's change a set of wallpapers of release a new linux distro? This is a metaphor, but you get the point
2010-06-17 01:21 <kyak> calamarz: actually, yesterday i've seen that jlime makes it a good triple :)
2010-06-17 01:21 <kyak> or trinity
2010-06-17 01:21 <Textmode> kyak: style and preference includes *functional*, consider the emacs Vs VIM wars :P
2010-06-17 01:22 <calamarz> kyak: not so much of a metaphor... i've seen governments wasting tons of money in "reinveinting" debian when actually they were paying graphic designers :p
2010-06-17 01:22 <kyak> my first thing in todo would be WiFi (i mean, the ks7010 driver for sdio card).. But as of now i'm always distracted from this target
2010-06-17 01:22 <calamarz> how much is that sdio card, btw?
2010-06-17 01:23 <calamarz> personally, I'm excited about compiling a bunch of good framebuffer goodies
2010-06-17 01:23 <kyak> manufacturer offered me for 70 USD, while Zhang Yi of sharism kindly offered me it for 49 USD :)
2010-06-17 01:24 <calamarz> it's like a revival, i like the challenge of small ram, try to live w/o X etc
2010-06-17 01:24 <calamarz> kyak: is that a friend's price or they have supplies?
2010-06-17 01:24 <Textmode> calamarz: I like having an excuse to be minimal again.
2010-06-17 01:24 <kyak> calamarz: i was told this was their leftover in their warehouse
2010-06-17 01:25 <kyak> so i don't know if more left
2010-06-17 01:25 <Textmode> pity
2010-06-17 01:25 <Textmode> i don't really have any use for wifi, though.
2010-06-17 01:25 <kyak> there should definitely be a special offer for this card when byuing Ben
2010-06-17 01:25 <Textmode> what I *would* like is a real ethernet port, but thats not happening.
2010-06-17 01:26 <calamarz> mmm another thing I would like to try one day is connecting ben to lafonera via serial
2010-06-17 01:26 <calamarz> that would be a good wardriving toy ]:)
2010-06-17 01:26 <Textmode> lafonera?
2010-06-17 01:26 <Textmode> heh
2010-06-17 01:27 <calamarz> mmm it's a cheap wifi router running openwrt
2010-06-17 01:27 <kyak> calamarz: instead, you should connect it to a GPS module via serial and use sdio WiFi card :)
2010-06-17 01:28 <kyak> then you'll have a warwalking toy :)
2010-06-17 01:28 <calamarz> hehe
2010-06-17 01:29 <calamarz> also have to play connecting it to the freerunner :) gps via usb
2010-06-17 01:29 <calamarz> but i don't like wifi cards that cannot be pigtailed
2010-06-17 01:31 <calamarz> mmm yesterday I found the ben personalities program in the wiki
2010-06-17 01:31 <calamarz> and liked the idea
2010-06-17 01:46 <newbie007> greetings, I'm trying to decide what to do with my nanonote
2010-06-17 01:47 <newbie007> I was thinking of putting dingoo (? is that what it's called) on it.  Can someone point me to a tutorial for it.. I haven't found one on google
2010-06-17 01:51 <freespace> debian?
2010-06-17 01:51 <newbie007> I found a debian tutorial, what scares me about it is that the filesystem could get corrupted
2010-06-17 01:52 <newbie007> I don't get how X would work. It's not gnome right? but it has a graphical menu of some sort?
2010-06-17 01:53 <calamarz> newbie007: afaik, dingoo is the device, and dingux what you can install on a dingoo http://www.dingux.com/
2010-06-17 01:53 <calamarz> but compatibility is not 100% seems http://boards.dingoonity.org/ben-nanonote/ben-nanonote-faq/msg17235/
2010-06-17 01:53 <newbie007> ah, yes
2010-06-17 01:54 <calamarz> newbie007: the holy trinity for nn distros looks like being openwrt-jlime-debian
2010-06-17 01:54 <newbie007> I read somewhere, that I need to connect two wires located under the battery to flash the device
2010-06-17 01:55 <newbie007> but on some nano notes, I can hit some key combination. how can I tell which nano note I have ?
2010-06-17 01:55 <calamarz> you can also do it pressing power+some key yes
2010-06-17 01:55 <calamarz> that worked for me
2010-06-17 01:55 <newbie007> thansk for the link that's what I was looking for
2010-06-17 01:55 <calamarz> dont remember if was power+s or power+n or...
2010-06-17 01:56 <newbie007> I have another quesiton I read that the device is not a USB host,, I don't know what that means
2010-06-17 01:56 <newbie007> I was hoping to hook it up to a usb device (that I would build) that would accept a signal then flip a relay on/off
2010-06-17 01:57 <calamarz> power + U it was
2010-06-17 01:57 <newbie007> thanks
2010-06-17 01:58 <calamarz> http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/USB_BOOT_mode
2010-06-17 01:58 <newbie007> Could I hook a usb keyboard to it, or a usb monitor ?
2010-06-17 01:58 <calamarz> newbie007: usb is master/slave protocol, so nn can only act as device
2010-06-17 01:59 <calamarz> seems that the chip is able to act as host, but it is not wired to the exterior (I didn't understood 100% the explanation myself lol)
2010-06-17 02:00 <newbie007> huh
2010-06-17 02:00 <newbie007> thanks for the info!
2010-06-17 02:00 <calamarz> you can play with devices via serial though
2010-06-17 02:00 <calamarz> np
2010-06-17 02:00 <newbie007> where is the serial located?
2010-06-17 02:01 <calamarz> afaik you have to connect wires in spots right under the battery
2010-06-17 02:01 <calamarz> http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Serial_console
2010-06-17 02:02 <newbie007> how do you use yours?
2010-06-17 02:03 <calamarz> my nn? I use it to procrastinate from my real job :p
2010-06-17 02:04 <calamarz> but the main interesting uses I see are media player and pocket-book reader
2010-06-17 02:05 <calamarz> carrying wikipedia in your pocket will be candy
2010-06-17 02:05 <newbie007> what OS ?
2010-06-17 02:05 <calamarz> debian
2010-06-17 02:05 <newbie007> wikipedia would be awesome, I read that the full zipped version is like 10 gigs
2010-06-17 02:08 <calamarz> re. data loss, you can partition a sd and have there your data in a fs that supports fsck
2010-06-17 02:09 <calamarz> only try to shutdown properly
2010-06-17 02:11 <newbie007> ah
2010-06-17 02:12 <newbie007> I'm still very new to linux, but love it so far
2010-06-17 02:14 <calamarz> glad to hear that :)
2010-06-17 02:16 <Textmode> huggles zear :D
2010-06-17 02:25 <newbie007> I can't seem to find the official dingux site, I do see a blog www.dingux.com and several rapidshare links
2010-06-17 02:27 <Textmode> its kinda an add-hoc effort.
2010-06-17 02:27 <Textmode> the offcial site is a blog and google project page.
2010-06-17 02:27 <Textmode> and if you really want to know about dingux, try in #dingoonity
2010-06-17 02:29 <newbie007> thx!
2010-06-17 04:32 <Textmode> meep?
2010-06-17 05:21 <kyak> i wonder is owrt-xburst is runnable in qemu
2010-06-17 05:21 <kyak> should try sometime
2010-06-17 05:21 <kyak> should be cool
2010-06-17 06:04 <freespace> would be real useful too
2010-06-17 06:53 <wolfspraul> xiangfu: you there?
2010-06-17 06:53 <xiangfu> wolfspraul: Hi
2010-06-17 06:53 <wolfspraul> in the openwrt downloads folder, there is now a uImage and zImage kernel
2010-06-17 06:53 <wolfspraul> http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/images/Ben_NanoNote_2GB_NAND/2010-06-15/
2010-06-17 06:54 <wolfspraul> what's the difference between the two?
2010-06-17 06:54 <xiangfu> uImage is for the u-boot. zImage is self unpack can direct run in MEM.
2010-06-17 06:55 <wolfspraul> zImage can be used with xbboot? but where is the initramfs?
2010-06-17 06:55 <wolfspraul> how can someone use the zImage?
2010-06-17 06:58 <xiangfu> yes zImage can be used with xbboot.  to build the initramfs need change the 'make menuconfig' rootfs to 'ramfs'
2010-06-17 06:59 <kyak> hm, there is no -kernel option in qemu-mipsel.. i guess i don't know what to do next :) any hints?
2010-06-17 07:00 <larsc> kyak: it wont run
2010-06-17 07:01 <kyak> larsc: is it because our cpu is not supported?
2010-06-17 07:01 <larsc> but there is http://code.google.com/p/jz-hacking/wiki/qemujz
2010-06-17 07:01 <larsc> kyak: the soc is not supported, correct
2010-06-17 07:01 <larsc> the cpu is ;)
2010-06-17 07:01 <kyak> looks like a  great link, thanks!
2010-06-17 07:02 <kyak> larsc: have you tried it?
2010-06-17 07:02 <kyak> the screenshot is beautiful :) i guess what they are running as WM
2010-06-17 07:03 <xiangfu> wolfspraul: I make the u-boot work in jz4760 evb board.
2010-06-17 07:03 <larsc> wohho!
2010-06-17 07:05 <wolfspraul> xiangfu: niiice!
2010-06-17 07:05 <rafa> xiangfu: ;-) great man
2010-06-17 07:06 <wolfspraul> in case people don't know - Ingenic is our fly on the wall at Ingenic
2010-06-17 07:06 <wolfspraul> bit more than fly on the wall maybe
2010-06-17 07:06 <wolfspraul> he can walk in, grab whatever EVB he wants, and start hacking
2010-06-17 07:06 <wolfspraul> larsc: that is also in large part to the impressive work you have been doing and Ingenic is clearly aware of
2010-06-17 07:06 <wolfspraul> (typo, I meant "Xiangfu is our fly on the wall at Ingenic")
2010-06-17 07:07 <wolfspraul> I hope they will soon give us 1 or 2 EVBs so we can send one to Adam or Lars or others that are interested
2010-06-17 07:07 <wolfspraul> but right now they have only 10 for the whole company, so understandably cannot give them out yet
2010-06-17 07:08 <wolfspraul> xiangfu: so for the zImage.bin, I still need a separate ramfs/initramfs? how do I use that zImage.bin with xbboot?
2010-06-17 07:08 <rafa> wolfspraul: I think that lars and xiangfu are doing a really really great work. If I see the device from jlime side I can tell you that we have a quickly way to make a distro because there are uboot and kernel, and also, there are people working and helping others, like me, to use those.
2010-06-17 07:08 <kyak> are these boards a  Ya prototype?
2010-06-17 07:08 <kyak> or more like Bens suitable for hacking?
2010-06-17 07:08 <wolfspraul> hmm
2010-06-17 07:08 <wolfspraul> no it's a number of steps
2010-06-17 07:09 <wolfspraul> first it's a new SoC being made
2010-06-17 07:09 <wolfspraul> and it will show up in many products in the future
2010-06-17 07:09 <kyak> what's the difference, anyway? more GPIOs?
2010-06-17 07:10 <xiangfu> wolfspraul: I will send email to list about the zImage.bin. or wiki. write the steps. :)
2010-06-17 07:10 <wolfspraul> rafa: sure I agree. without that impressive work at the bottom we would be nowhere.
2010-06-17 07:10 <wolfspraul> xiangfu: yes, great. thanks.
2010-06-17 07:10 <larsc> kyak: i guess jz4740 compared to jz4760, is simpliar to a Pentium II compared to a Pentium III, or so
2010-06-17 07:11 <rafa> wolfspraul: do you want to use initramfs in ben nanonote?
2010-06-17 07:12 <wolfspraul> I think we are using it already and it works, just not well documented
2010-06-17 07:12 <rafa> wolfspraul: I have tried to use initramfs inside the kernel, without luck
2010-06-17 07:13 <rafa> I am interested as well, and if we can use initramfs I would go for kexec to have a boot menu and some easier way to upgrade the nand rootfs or SD
2010-06-17 07:14 <kyak> larsc: i see, good comparison
2010-06-17 09:13 <freespace> finally, default small font
2010-06-17 09:38 <freespace> i am a machine
2010-06-17 09:39 <freespace> i can not pass the captcha on the qi-hardware wiki
2010-06-17 09:39 <freespace> i wonder if i am turing complete...
2010-06-17 09:39 <freespace> s/turing complete/a turing machine/
2010-06-17 09:40 <freespace> (also openid is broken for google/blogger, yahoo/flikr)
2010-06-17 10:21 <kristianpaul> wolfspraul: hi
2010-06-17 10:22 <wolfspraul> hi
2010-06-17 10:22 <rafa> larsc: have you tested your .config (2.6.34) with microSD?
2010-06-17 10:22 <kristianpaul> what the name of the fault tolerant netowrk you pointed in the dev list some time ago
2010-06-17 10:22 <kristianpaul> what is*
2010-06-17 10:22 <rafa> it always gives me kernel panic
2010-06-17 10:22 <rafa> but I have not been able to read all the debug messages to realize out which is the problem
2010-06-17 10:22 <larsc> rafa there is a bug in the current kernel which prevents the mmc driver from loading
2010-06-17 10:22 <rafa> I have a .config which works for jlime
2010-06-17 10:23 <rafa> with 2.6.34
2010-06-17 10:23 <rafa> and micro SD
2010-06-17 10:23 <rafa> larsc: ah.. okey
2010-06-17 10:23 <larsc> i'll push the fix when i'm home
2010-06-17 10:23 <larsc> in 30 minutes or so
2010-06-17 10:23 <rafa> larsc: great, thanks
2010-06-17 10:24 <freespace> wolfspraul: openid login on the wiki is broken, and i can't pass the captcha - i imagine other ppl will have problems too
2010-06-17 10:25 <rafa> larsc: we are talking about git://projects.qi-hardware.com/qi-kernel.git right?
2010-06-17 10:25 <rafa> (where you will push the patches)
2010-06-17 10:25 <wolfspraul> freespace: he, OK. I know openid is broken.
2010-06-17 10:25 <wolfspraul> captcha is too hard
2010-06-17 10:25 <wolfspraul> I am totally swamped right now, give me a bit of time and I will first make the captcha easier.
2010-06-17 10:26 <larsc> rafa: yes
2010-06-17 10:26 <wolfspraul> maybe I kick out the openid, I heard from other mediawiki admins that it never really works
2010-06-17 10:26 <freespace> sure, i understand
2010-06-17 10:26 <wolfspraul> thanks for the heads up!
2010-06-17 10:26 <wolfspraul> I appreciate. We need more wiki edits.
2010-06-17 10:26 <freespace> nod, that was why i was trying to signup :)
2010-06-17 10:26 <rafa> larsc: cool, thanks
2010-06-17 10:28 <wolfspraul> freespace: have you tried the captcha a few times :-)
2010-06-17 10:28 <rafa> larsc: another little issue: I can not make vmlinuz, it fails building.. how should we make zImage like xiangfu suggested on mailling list?
2010-06-17 10:28 <wolfspraul> sorry this is the default setting of mediawiki, I also think it's a bit hard :-)
2010-06-17 10:30 <freespace> i tried about 5 times
2010-06-17 10:31 <freespace> then i got tired of it. i had to type in the password each time
2010-06-17 10:37 <kristianpaul> wolfspraul: fault tolerant wireless network?
2010-06-17 10:37 <kristianpaul> i cant remenber well..
2010-06-17 10:38 <kristianpaul> or fault tolerant distributed network
2010-06-17 10:38 <kristianpaul> :S
2010-06-17 12:09 <freespace> well look at that
2010-06-17 12:09 <freespace> links -g is almost working
2010-06-17 12:11 <freespace> out of memory eh
2010-06-17 12:12 <larsc> rafa: oh, sorry... forgot about you while chilling in the sun on the balcony. fix is pushed now
2010-06-17 12:12 <qi-commits> Lars-Peter Clausen: jz4740: Fix mmc memory region http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/c9d00ac
2010-06-17 12:12 <qi-commits> Lars-Peter Clausen: Rename jz_mmc.c to jz4740_mmc.c http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/56b39e0
2010-06-17 12:12 <qi-commits> Lars-Peter Clausen: jz4740: board qi_b60: Small cleanups http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/13fc012
2010-06-17 12:12 <qi-commits> Lars-Peter Clausen: jz4740: ohci: Small cleanups http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/2b7bd99
2010-06-17 12:12 <qi-commits> Lars-Peter Clausen: jz4740: mmc: small cleanups http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/e8531c0
2010-06-17 12:12 <qi-commits> Lars-Peter Clausen: jz4740: nand: small cleanups http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/6ca6b12
2010-06-17 12:12 <qi-commits> Lars-Peter Clausen: jz4740: fb: Small cleanups http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/f6cda2a
2010-06-17 12:14 <freespace> hrm, shame
2010-06-17 12:15 <freespace> and i keep running out of memory
2010-06-17 12:16 <tuxbrain_away> you have swap?
2010-06-17 12:16 <freespace> looks like i do
2010-06-17 12:17 <freespace> wait, nope
2010-06-17 12:17 <freespace> should fix that
2010-06-17 12:17 <freespace> oh well
2010-06-17 12:17 <freespace> least i got directfb going
2010-06-17 12:17 <freespace> and links, even though the size is all screwy and it's slow and unusable without a mouse
2010-06-17 12:49 <rafa> larsc: great.. I will pull
2010-06-17 13:13 <qi-commits> Maarten ter Huurne: Let git ignore files we expect to be generated during the build. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/1bead23
2010-06-17 13:13 <qi-commits> Maarten ter Huurne: Removed aclocal.m4, since it is a generated file. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/8b0f382
2010-06-17 13:23 <tuxbrain_away> reiceved a gps module, searching a place inside BNN to do a rework, best candidate between speaker and SD
2010-06-17 13:34 <nebajoth> yes hello o/
2010-06-17 13:42 <qi-commits> Maarten ter Huurne: Removed PXML support. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/dae5627
2010-06-17 13:56 <tuxbrain_away> picture taked with the ephel cam is brutal for close ups http://www.tuxbrain.org/downloads/nanonote/elphelimg_searching_bnn_gps_place.jpeg
2010-06-17 14:04 <Flaming_Goat> wow is that a nanonote witha gps
2010-06-17 14:07 <tuxbrain_away> but not conected (yet)
2010-06-17 14:11 <Flaming_Goat> cool. the nanonote scene is starting to look pretty interesting. Does it have a forum?
2010-06-17 14:22 <xdpirate> Flaming_Goat, http://boards.dingoonity.org/ben-nanonote/
2010-06-17 14:39 <tuxbrain_away> i will upload the matherial previosly to maka a full wiki article if succesful here http://www.tuxbrain.org/downloads/nanonote/gps/
2010-06-17 14:49 <tuxbrain_away> any one knows if there is a small switch with 2i/o in one side 4 i/o in other (two pairs) and I can control what pair is conected? even manually if is three ways based instead of pairs  better  but not mandatory. I want it to select between gps or serial plug of the TP4/TP5
2010-06-17 14:52 <Ornotermes> tuxbrain_away: you could probably use regular logic chips with and gates from 7400 or 4000 series
2010-06-17 14:54 <Ornotermes> and by adding a demux you can select 4 different channels with two bits
2010-06-17 15:04 <tuxbrain_away> Ornotermes: an schema on how to put all this together will be tremendously helpful, in spite what you might thing I'm totally a wannabe lammer on eletronics (and a lot of other things :P)
2010-06-17 15:05 <Ornotermes> tuxbrain_away: or maybe mux and demux
2010-06-17 15:05 <Ornotermes> tuxbrain_away: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplexer
2010-06-17 15:36 <Ornotermes> tuxbrain_away: http://gallery.slashhome.se/main.php?g2_itemId=1969&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
2010-06-17 15:37 <Ornotermes> i'm not sure it would work :P
2010-06-17 16:02 <Ornotermes> http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.328087/htc-hero-uppdateras-i-slutet-av-juni?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+idg%2Fvzzs+%28IDG.se%3A+Hetaste+IT-nyheterna+fr%C3%A5n+IDG.se%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher
2010-06-17 16:02 <Ornotermes> oops, wrong tab
2010-06-17 18:09 <tuxbrain> Ornotermes: do you think I can avoid the amplifiers?
2010-06-17 18:37 <mth> could someone please check whether /usr/mipsel-linux-uclibc/include/c++/4.3.3/tr1/unordered_map exists in the toolchain for the NanoNote?
2010-06-17 18:37 <mth> (substitute the actual GCC version for 4.3.3 if necessary)
2010-06-17 18:42 <tuxbrain> ./staging_dir/toolchain-mipsel_gcc-4.3.3+cs_uClibc-0.9.30.1/usr/mipsel-openwrt-linux-uclibc/include/c++/4.3.3/debug/unordered_map
2010-06-17 18:42 <tuxbrain> ./staging_dir/toolchain-mipsel_gcc-4.3.3+cs_uClibc-0.9.30.1/usr/mipsel-openwrt-linux-uclibc/include/c++/4.3.3/tr1_impl/unordered_map
2010-06-17 18:42 <tuxbrain> ./staging_dir/toolchain-mipsel_gcc-4.3.3+cs_uClibc-0.9.30.1/usr/mipsel-openwrt-linux-uclibc/include/c++/4.3.3/unordered_map
2010-06-17 18:42 <tuxbrain> ./staging_dir/toolchain-mipsel_gcc-4.3.3+cs_uClibc-0.9.30.1/usr/mipsel-openwrt-linux-uclibc/include/c++/4.3.3/tr1/unordered_map
2010-06-17 18:43 <mth> tuxbrain: thanks, now I can commit some improvements to gmenu2x
2010-06-17 18:44 <tuxbrain> great :)
2010-06-17 18:46 <qi-commits> Maarten ter Huurne: Replaced "hash_map" by "unordered_map" to get rid of deprecation warnings. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/9f21df7
2010-06-17 18:47 <tuxbrain> I hope some one dedicate some love to  keymapping and help screen
2010-06-17 18:50 <mth> I'm simplifying the build, so other people can easily pick it up and do other stuff ;)
2010-06-17 18:51 <mth> I want to remove some potential crashes, since zear keeps complaining that the OpenDingux kernel makes gmenu2x crash and I'm pretty sure it's not the kernel's fault :)
2010-06-17 18:54 <tuxbrain> Thanks a lot mth, have a clean and handy gui launcher is very impotant for the hole project
2010-06-17 18:54 <tuxbrain> hole->whole :P
2010-06-17 18:54 <mth> I'm mostly doing it for the Dingoo, but I'm glad to help the NanoNote
2010-06-17 19:01 <tuxbrain> Enter:Launch link/Confirmation (actual "X key"/B on help)
2010-06-17 19:01 <tuxbrain> Q,P:Change section (L and R on Help and screen, also change L, R on the top corners)
2010-06-17 19:01 <tuxbrain> F1:Show manual/readme (actual "Z key/Y on screen)
2010-06-17 19:01 <tuxbrain> VolUP,VolDown:Change volume
2010-06-17 19:01 <tuxbrain> Space:Show contextual menu(actual "Esc Key", SELECT in help)
2010-06-17 19:01 <tuxbrain> The options menu is aviable thour Settings/GMenu2x so no need to have dedicated key.
2010-06-17 19:01 <tuxbrain> Also as long time project integrate it with /usr/share/applications, desktop files instead of his own file format shouldbe awesome, but step by step first cleaning, then(or meanwhile keymaping) then adding features.
2010-06-17 19:01 <tuxbrain> I just writte it down to have some place to rescue  when I forget it
2010-06-17 19:02 <methril> hi all!
2010-06-17 19:02 <nebajoth> y halo thar
2010-06-17 19:02 <tuxbrain> hi dude
2010-06-17 19:03 <mth> tuxbrain: I think key bindings can already be specified in a config file
2010-06-17 19:03 <mth> input.conf
2010-06-17 19:04 <tuxbrain> yeah but also has to be changed on the help screen
2010-06-17 19:06 <mth> ah, the help screen doesn't automatically show the actual bindings?
2010-06-17 19:09 <eharrington> hey, sorry to interrupt, am trying to install debian on sd card, but can't figure out how to mount it. noticed this error from dmesg: mmc0: error -122 whilst initialising SD card, anyone seen this before? (card is formatted ext2 on my ubuntu 10.04)
2010-06-17 19:12 <nebajoth> eharrington: I have debian installed on my flash (more to come)
2010-06-17 19:12 <nebajoth> I get that error message intermittently
2010-06-17 19:12 <nebajoth> when I push my microsd card in while the NN is already running
2010-06-17 19:12 <Ornotermes> tuxbrain: it's NOT-gates, and it's needed with that combination of chips
2010-06-17 19:12 <nebajoth> I use the microsd for swap space
2010-06-17 19:12 <nebajoth> I have just popped it out
2010-06-17 19:12 <nebajoth> and popped it back in
2010-06-17 19:13 <nebajoth> and it has worked after the second or third try
2010-06-17 19:13 <nebajoth> I wonder if it has to do with a bad connection
2010-06-17 19:14 <tuxbrain> Ornotermes: ok, understand NANDS will revert the output that has to be rereverted to fine :)
2010-06-17 19:16 <tuxbrain> Ornotermes: just another question, do you believe 4000 series will fit for serial comunication, I read 4000 not support as higher HZ than the 7400 familie do you think 4000 can deal with at least 57600 bps?
2010-06-17 19:17 <tuxbrain> 7400 family minimum voltage is to high for 3,3V of BNN
2010-06-17 19:19 <Ornotermes> tuxbrain: im not shure using nand would do the trick, let me think a minute
2010-06-17 19:21 <Ornotermes> tuxbrain: 74HC/74HCT-series has a 2V to 6V supplay(they are CMOS)
2010-06-17 19:22 <eharrington> Thank-you nebajoth ! (maybe a little film left from mfg?) showing up with dmesg now.
2010-06-17 19:23 <nebajoth> I'm glad that worked for you eharrington
2010-06-17 19:23 <nebajoth> :)
2010-06-17 19:23 <Ornotermes> tuxbrain: speed shouldn't be an issue with any rather modern logic, but HC/HCT should be able to handle 25MHz
2010-06-17 19:23 <Ornotermes> tuxbrain: http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/74series.htm
2010-06-17 19:29 <Ornotermes> tuxbrain: you could not nand chips instead of not and and chips, but i can take another look anyway
2010-06-17 19:33 <Textmode> Morning all
2010-06-17 19:35 <tuxbrain> I think I got it I have 9 Nands gates so 3 chips (damnt one just for one gate....) mmmm
2010-06-17 19:36 <Ornotermes> tuxbrain: why would you need 9 nand gates?
2010-06-17 19:36 <tuxbrain> mmm thinking about it , seems the i/o controler will be bigger than GPS and the 8 plug toguether ....
2010-06-17 19:37 <tuxbrain> I will draw a draft , minute
2010-06-17 19:38 <Ornotermes> tuxbrain: you could use two 4081 and one 4555 chips i think
2010-06-17 19:50 <tuxbrain> Ornotermes: http://www.tuxbrain.org/downloads/nanonote/gps/draft_serial_switcher_NAND.jpeg
2010-06-17 19:50 <Ornotermes> tuxbrain: forbidden
2010-06-17 19:54 <tuxbrain> ok try now
2010-06-17 19:58 <Ornotermes> tuxbrain: you could use one and chip and a not/nand chip instead
2010-06-17 20:00 <Ornotermes> tuxbrain: http://gallery.slashhome.se/main.php?g2_itemId=1973
2010-06-17 20:03 <tuxbrain> not/nand chip? you mean nand chip?
2010-06-17 20:04 <tuxbrain> a nand chip to use the as not? yeah this should simplify things just two chips then
2010-06-17 20:04 <Ornotermes> ic you connect the input pins on a nand together it functions as a not
2010-06-17 20:06 <Ornotermes> tuxbrain: you could use a transistor and two resistors as a not gate
2010-06-17 20:07 <tuxbrain> schema please
2010-06-17 20:08 <Ornotermes> http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/trancirc.htm last one
2010-06-17 20:08 <tuxbrain> even simplier 1 Ic , a transitor and two resistors :) this is taking form
2010-06-17 20:09 <Ornotermes> but i think Rc should be atleast 10k ohm to not dran battery more than needed
2010-06-17 20:13 <Ornotermes> tuxbrain: did you see my new schematic?
2010-06-17 20:14 <tuxbrain> the transistor one? yes
2010-06-17 20:14 <Ornotermes> no, 3chip 4channel
2010-06-17 20:15 <tuxbrain> yes
2010-06-17 20:15 <Ornotermes> i googled the transistor gate
2010-06-17 20:15 <qi-commits> Maarten ter Huurne: Use the Google Sparsehash package that is included in our source tree. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/40f7953
2010-06-17 20:16 <mth> now gmenu2x can be compiled out of the box
2010-06-17 20:17 <tuxbrain> but I want to embed the whole thing inside the ben 3 chips is too much I just need two channels so the transitor gate+1 chip is more than fine :)
2010-06-17 20:18 <tuxbrain> thanks a lot Ornotermes :) without your help surelly I would ended rewiring by hand on each switch of channel :P
2010-06-17 20:19 <Ornotermes> tuxbrain: then you could probably build it on a dip-chip with bent out legs without pcb
2010-06-17 20:21 <tuxbrain> yes that's the goal  , ugly but reduced to the max :P
2010-06-17 20:21 <Ornotermes> smd is another option
2010-06-17 20:21 <Ornotermes> if it is an option for you :P
2010-06-17 20:23 <tuxbrain> no equipment/skills to smd :(
2010-06-17 20:26 <Ornotermes> for say so16 the soldering isn't that very hard
2010-06-17 20:36 <tuxbrain> well will see, now that I have clear the schema, http://www.tuxbrain.org/downloads/nanonote/gps/draft_serial_switcher_AND_TransNOR.jpeg , first to make the gps work :) then to easy switch between gps and serial :P
2010-06-17 20:37 <tuxbrain> maybe Mu (version after Ya) NanoNote is on the streets before I ended to tune my Ben :P
2010-06-17 20:38 <Ornotermes> what good is open hardware if you don't mod it ;)
2010-06-17 20:39 <mth> does the NN have a configurable backlight intensity?
2010-06-17 20:40 <mth> if so, what is it called in /sys/class/backlight/ ?
2010-06-17 20:54 <mth> it looks like gmenu2x cannot print disk sizes over 4GB correctly
2010-06-17 21:08 <tuxbrain> good night #
2010-06-17 21:18 <qi-commits> Maarten ter Huurne: Fixed display of card size and free space for numbers over 4 GB. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/9884396
2010-06-17 21:18 <qi-commits> Maarten ter Huurne: Removed spaces at end of lines in source files. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/d3b094e
2010-06-17 21:18 <qi-commits> Maarten ter Huurne: Convert source files to UNIX newlines. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/39f01f7
2010-06-17 23:50 <eharrington> Good Evening, (anyone awake?) I am attempting the instructions from Xiangfu to load debian onto sd card. All steps are working but when doing 'M' power on boot, I get the following: MMC card is ready - mmc1 is available - loading file "/boot/uImage" from mmc device 0:1 (xxa1)  ** File not found /boot/uImage - Wrong Image format for bootm command - ERROR: can't get kernal Image! ---- what should I check? thank-you
2010-06-17 23:53 <xiangfu> eharrington: double check the "/boot/uImage" file. make sure the kernel image name is : uImage, what is the size of your sd card?
2010-06-17 23:54 <eharrington> Hi Xiangfu! My card is 8 gb, if I mount card from nano I can verify that the files are in place.