2010-06-16 00:02 <Textmode> \o/
2010-06-16 00:02 <Textmode> My NN batteries arrived! ...along with five milkymist stickers :)
2010-06-16 01:39 <tuxbrain> xiangfu: ping
2010-06-16 02:30 <Textmode> sighs and adds an extra HDD to the buildBox
2010-06-16 02:53 <Textmode> well, that was surprisingly painless...
2010-06-16 02:53 <qi-commits> Mirko Vogt: Merge branch 'xburst' of git@projects.qi-hardware.com:openwrt-xburst into xburst http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/7d7e9b2
2010-06-16 02:53 <qi-commits> Mirko Vogt: use new download URL scheme http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/7aee63d
2010-06-16 02:53 <qi-commits> Mirko Vogt: uboot now contains the subtarget name as well http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/3b238d8
2010-06-16 03:55 <kyak> http://www.nanohacks.org/groups/nanohackers/forum/topic/ben-nanonote-ethernet-over-usb-in-windows/
2010-06-16 03:55 <kyak> here's a little how to
2010-06-16 03:58 <kyak> btw, backslashes are stripped from posts
2010-06-16 03:58 <kyak> which generally means that the forum software is crap
2010-06-16 03:59 <kyak> replacing special characters instead of treating them right from the beginning
2010-06-16 04:00 <tuxbrain> awesome kyak!, so if the "oficial" kernel dissables RNDIS by default , the steps to do so will simplify a lot, isn't it?
2010-06-16 04:01 <kyak> yes, this is right!
2010-06-16 04:01 <kyak> then you only need to install windows driver
2010-06-16 04:01 <kyak> the problem is that driver with limitations
2010-06-16 04:01 <kyak> but i'm testing it right now :) see what happens after 4 hours
2010-06-16 04:01 <tuxbrain> limited connection is better than no connection :P
2010-06-16 04:02 <kyak> i'm hoping RNDIS will get fixed once and for all some day
2010-06-16 04:02 <kyak> indeed you are right
2010-06-16 04:03 <Textmode> ...
2010-06-16 04:03 <Textmode> "make clean" failed.
2010-06-16 04:04 <Textmode> I'm really getting tired of this...
2010-06-16 04:05 <Textmode> this is like, day four of me trying to build the openwrt toolchain.
2010-06-16 04:05 <kyak> Textmode: what's your distro again?
2010-06-16 04:05 <Textmode> ubuntu
2010-06-16 04:06 <Textmode> I was gettign somewhere, then the build bmachine completely ran out of space. so I've stuck another HDD in there, and tried to copy the build directory over to that. that failed, and now it seems munged.
2010-06-16 04:06 <kyak> if you are sure you have all required tools/libs for build, just do it from scratch
2010-06-16 04:06 <Textmode> ergo "make clean"
2010-06-16 04:06 <Textmode> but...that failed, so...
2010-06-16 04:07 <Textmode> yeah, it seems borked.
2010-06-16 04:08 <kyak> remove this god-knows-whats-in-there directory
2010-06-16 04:08 <Textmode> which one?
2010-06-16 04:08 <kyak> openwrt-xburst
2010-06-16 04:08 <Textmode> iow, start over?
2010-06-16 04:08 <kyak> "just do it from scratch"
2010-06-16 04:08 <kyak> yes, start over :)
2010-06-16 04:08 <Textmode> sighs.
2010-06-16 04:09 <Textmode> that would mean I have to redownload all that random stuff it wants to download.
2010-06-16 04:09 <kyak> or, you could V=99 and dig out the problem
2010-06-16 04:09 <kyak> i don't know what's faster
2010-06-16 04:09 <Textmode> not that I have much choice, I guess....are you *sure* theres no pre-builts out there?
2010-06-16 04:10 <Textmode> the messages from V=99 are chaotic. I'm pretty sure they are "I've fallen and I can't get up" messages.
2010-06-16 04:10 <kyak> do you mean precompiled images?
2010-06-16 04:10 <Textmode> kyak: I only want the toolchain/libs.
2010-06-16 04:11 <kyak> Textmode: you are so wrong... i remember your last error message was very helpful
2010-06-16 04:11 <Textmode> I really don't care about the kernel. not at this stage.
2010-06-16 04:11 <Textmode> kyak: feel free to try, would you like the message from "make clean", or from "make"?
2010-06-16 04:11 <kyak> no, i think you have to compile the toolchain yourself
2010-06-16 04:13 <kyak> Textmode: let's see the message from make
2010-06-16 04:15 <tuxbrain> kyak when you end with Textmode, take a look at http://en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/developer/2010-June/003148.html , any hint to move forward will be appreciated.
2010-06-16 04:16 <Textmode> kyak: http://qi-hardware.pastebin.com/U0dbRpwd
2010-06-16 04:17 <Textmode> kyak: if thats more important, feel to come back to me later. strictly I needed it for...yesterday. the next thing I need to build pre-depends on my work on the love2d base
2010-06-16 04:19 <tuxbrain> Textmode: not is not more important really, is better to have another toolchain <->colaborator set up right than a game port
2010-06-16 04:21 <Textmode> tuxbrain: are you saying that love2d is more important than scummvm? :P
2010-06-16 04:22 <tuxbrain> no , I'm saying that you having a working toolchain is more important than any individual port
2010-06-16 04:22 <Textmode> Hmm, I guess thats a decent point.
2010-06-16 04:22 <kyak> Textmode: indeed, not very explanatory.. i still sugest that you start from scratch
2010-06-16 04:23 <Textmode> not looking foward to re-downloading those files again, since I think I'm near my limit.
2010-06-16 04:23 <Textmode> how much space does it need for building?
2010-06-16 04:23 <freespace> is it possible to have gcc on the nanonote using openwrt?
2010-06-16 04:23 <Textmode> I'd rather no run out of drive space again.
2010-06-16 04:24 <kyak> tuxbrain: i'll have a look.. not sure if i could help ):
2010-06-16 04:24 <Textmode> basic C shouldn't be too bad, space wise
2010-06-16 04:24 <kyak> Textmode: copy your dl'ded files from dl/
2010-06-16 04:24 <kyak> then you don't have to re-download
2010-06-16 04:24 <kyak> but start over everything else
2010-06-16 04:25 <Textmode> that should work.
2010-06-16 04:25 <tuxbrain> kyak: don't worry :) I know it's sounds bad but not much high expectations :P
2010-06-16 04:27 <Textmode> how much space does it need for building?
2010-06-16 04:29 <kyak> my openwrt-xburst directory is 9.0G
2010-06-16 04:29 <tuxbrain> mine about 5Gb
2010-06-16 04:30 <Textmode> perilously close to the 10GB I allocated for it, maybe I'll expand that to 15
2010-06-16 04:30 <xdpirate> kyak, thanks for the ne compile, it's become my primary editor on the NN :)
2010-06-16 04:32 <kyak> xdpirate: no problem, but i don't feel satisfied because either syntax hilighting is not working, or terminal is mangled
2010-06-16 04:32 <xdpirate> kyak, yeah, I'd love to have C syntax highlightning :P Wonder why it's not working =/
2010-06-16 04:33 <kyak> maybe it makes sense to contact the author
2010-06-16 04:33 <tuxbrain> it works on my fabourite editor , joe (naaaa na naaa naaaa na) :P
2010-06-16 04:34 <xdpirate> :P
2010-06-16 04:34 <xdpirate> The only thing I'm missing on my nanonote now is man
2010-06-16 04:35 <kyak> btw, ne uses the same files for syntax highlighting as joe
2010-06-16 04:35 <Textmode> heh, yeah. it feels weird to have system with no man.
2010-06-16 04:35 <Textmode> like...strangely unnatural :P
2010-06-16 04:36 <xdpirate> Hehe
2010-06-16 04:36 <xdpirate> I just downloaded the source
2010-06-16 04:36 <xdpirate> let's see if I can get it compiled
2010-06-16 04:39 <xdpirate> meh the makefiles are only for installing on current system, i have no idea what i'm doing
2010-06-16 04:40 <xdpirate> If anyone feels like having a go at it - http://primates.ximian.com/~flucifredi/man/
2010-06-16 05:14 <freespace> woow, my image finished building
2010-06-16 05:14 <freespace> i am going to start using this as a benchmark, much like building the kernel used to be :P
2010-06-16 06:35 <rafa> tuxbrain: is not scummvm in jlime feed? :)
2010-06-16 06:45 <tuxbrain> yeah but I want it also in the official distro :)
2010-06-16 06:46 <tuxbrain> also this way I lean about how openwrt works
2010-06-16 06:46 <tuxbrain> lean-> learn
2010-06-16 06:57 <kyak> rafa is pushing towards jlime :)
2010-06-16 06:57 <kyak> i think i'm gonna try it someday.. after i play with openwrt
2010-06-16 07:04 <kyak> well, it looks like i really have to reboot every 4 hours for the CDC/ECM driver for Windows to work :)
2010-06-16 07:05 <kyak> even removing/adding the device didn't help
2010-06-16 07:05 <kyak> it shows as "the network cable is unplugged"
2010-06-16 07:06 <kyak> it's a pity there are no free CDC/ECM drivers for Windows
2010-06-16 07:07 <kyak> "With a vendor-supplied INF file, Windows Vista supports USB CDC and USB WMCDC."
2010-06-16 07:07 <kyak> hm, i might have better luck in Vista/7.. But what sense does it make if it is Windows XP at work? :)
2010-06-16 07:09 <rafa> tuxbrain: ah, yes, that would be really useful (to learn about how openwrt works)
2010-06-16 07:10 <rafa> tuxbrain: why nanohacks.org is something (perhaps) no welcome ? :)
2010-06-16 07:11 <rafa> kyak: you can try at the same time, because jlime works on SD, no on nand ;)
2010-06-16 07:12 <tuxbrain> nanohack are for sure wellcom but not his links
2010-06-16 07:15 <kyak> rafa: i have microSD 256 Mb at hand, but no card-reader -\
2010-06-16 07:15 <kyak> i guess i could mount it via Ben somehow to my laptop or even format it directly by Ben?
2010-06-16 07:16 <rafa> kyak: you could do all the stems from openwrt, yes
2010-06-16 07:17 <kyak> cool, will keep it in mind
2010-06-16 07:20 <freespace> with reflash, it's ok to let go of usb boot once it's talking to the PC yeah?
2010-06-16 07:23 <freespace> oh nvm, the reflash is done - the answer is yes :P
2010-06-16 07:28 <rafa> larsc: no luck (about shutdown)... I will try to do a good report to nn devel mailing list, so perhaps more people had the same issue before
2010-06-16 07:30 <rafa> larsc: I think that it is not a bug, and that there is something wrong in my environment (bootloader,kernel,rootfs).. but no idea what is the problem. Neither reboot nor poweroff work
2010-06-16 08:39 <kyak> tuxbrain: just an idea: add MAKE_FLAGS += VERBOSE_BUILD=yes to your Makefile, this will produce verbose output instead of "C++" or "AR"
2010-06-16 08:40 <kyak> at the end, you can see all the objects files passed to mipsel-openwrt-linux-uclibc-ar
2010-06-16 08:40 <kyak> i think the problem is the command line length
2010-06-16 08:40 <kyak> it gets truncated and mipsel-ar sees this bogus "e" somewhere
2010-06-16 08:41 <kyak> anyway, this is just a guess.. try disabling some features of sumcvmvmv? :)
2010-06-16 08:41 <kyak> to reduce the number of objects to archive
2010-06-16 08:41 <kyak> burmass!!!
2010-06-16 08:42 <kyak> i can't read what i typed
2010-06-16 08:42 <xdpirate> <kyak> anyway, this is just a guess.. try disabling some features of sumcvmvmv? :)
2010-06-16 08:43 <xdpirate> that's what you typed
2010-06-16 08:43 <xdpirate> :P
2010-06-16 08:43 <xdpirate> sumcvmvmv
2010-06-16 08:43 <xdpirate> :D
2010-06-16 08:43 <kyak> xdpirate: yeah, i mean, this burmas guy is flooding so much, i can't distinguish my messages :0
2010-06-16 08:44 <xdpirate> yeah he does this like once a day
2010-06-16 08:44 <xdpirate> i have no idea why
2010-06-16 08:44 <kyak> this is why we need a bot.
2010-06-16 08:44 <xdpirate> ffs, someone ban his ass :<
2010-06-16 08:46 <kyak> /ignore burmas joins parts quits
2010-06-16 08:46 <kyak> Ignoring JOINS PARTS QUITS from burmas
2010-06-16 08:46 <kyak> ok, works for me :)
2010-06-16 08:55 <SiENcE> hey
2010-06-16 08:56 <kyak> hi
2010-06-16 08:56 <SiENcE> @zear from dingoonity channel told me, that you are discussing a mouse emulation via uinput
2010-06-16 08:59 <SiENcE> anyone interested?
2010-06-16 08:59 <calamarz> SiENcE: yes, I've been trying that
2010-06-16 08:59 <SiENcE> my app works
2010-06-16 09:00 <SiENcE> on dingoo
2010-06-16 09:00 <SiENcE> now i have full mouse emulation for all apps
2010-06-16 09:00 <calamarz> SiENcE: what's your app?
2010-06-16 09:00 <SiENcE> R-shoulder button + DPAD
2010-06-16 09:00 <SiENcE> not released yet
2010-06-16 09:01 <calamarz> SiENcE: and what are you waiting for? :)
2010-06-16 09:01 <SiENcE> mouseclick via R-shoulder+A or R-shoulder+B
2010-06-16 09:01 <SiENcE> i did it 5minutes ago
2010-06-16 09:01 <SiENcE> zear told me that i should come into this channel
2010-06-16 09:01 <SiENcE> just because you are trying the same
2010-06-16 09:01 <SiENcE> give me some time
2010-06-16 09:02 <SiENcE> i just want to ask how far you are
2010-06-16 09:02 <calamarz> i played with keymouse, but didn't have luck configuring the keycodes... that or something in the scummvm (what I was using for testing the mouse) was hijacking the mouse positions
2010-06-16 09:03 <marcz> I have mouse emulation thru the wm
2010-06-16 09:03 <marcz> I tested successfully with ratpoison
2010-06-16 09:03 <SiENcE> i have success with keymouse
2010-06-16 09:03 <SiENcE> but on dingoo of couse
2010-06-16 09:03 <SiENcE> i dont have a nanonote
2010-06-16 09:04 <SiENcE> but should be the same
2010-06-16 09:04 <marcz> I also tried AcessX but on kdrive the clik is ok but movement not
2010-06-16 09:04 <marcz> But doe you mean mouse under console or X
2010-06-16 09:04 <marcz> only tested X
2010-06-16 09:05 <calamarz> SiENcE: yes, the keymouse seems to be working. it creates the device, and receives the events...
2010-06-16 09:05 <calamarz> marcz: this way it would work also for the terminal and framebuffer
2010-06-16 09:05 <SiENcE> yes for all
2010-06-16 09:06 <SiENcE> now only a virtual keyboard is needed
2010-06-16 09:06 <calamarz> SiENcE: it would be great to test your code
2010-06-16 09:07 <marcz> calamaz: Ok it's better to get it everywhere, even If I'm yet happy with mouse under X (kdrive)
2010-06-16 09:08 <calamarz> I'm trying the experiment in nn of surviving without X :p
2010-06-16 09:08 <calamarz> SiENcE: you know some othere fb app I could test the mouse against?
2010-06-16 09:09 <SiENcE> my tinysdgl apps
2010-06-16 09:09 <marcz> calamarz: does it work under a simple fbterm?
2010-06-16 09:09 <SiENcE> http://sience.schattenkind.net/dingoo/Dingux_Toolchain_for_Windows.htm
2010-06-16 09:10 <SiENcE> there is a TinySDGL.zip
2010-06-16 09:11 <SiENcE> grab it...there are already two compiled apps....the "gears" app works with mouse...you can roll the gears using the mouse
2010-06-16 09:11 <calamarz> SiENcE: thanx man... i'll give them a try. Have to go back to work now :(
2010-06-16 09:12 <calamarz> marcz: didn't try to get mouse in fbterm
2010-06-16 09:19 <larsc> rafa: so you say neither reboot nor poweroff work even when invoked from the console?
2010-06-16 09:23 <zear> larsc, yep, that's it
2010-06-16 09:24 <rafa> larsc: like zear says :)
2010-06-16 09:25 <rafa> larsc: I have tried reboot/poweroff userland using busybox internal commands and sysvinit binary commands.. All of them fails to do the job.. The scripts to shutdown are ran, but there is not reboot nor poweroff
2010-06-16 09:28 <larsc> interesting
2010-06-16 09:29 <larsc> all I can say at the moment is, that it works fine here and you should not need any special config options for it to work
2010-06-16 10:12 <kyak> tuxbrain: got it.. add MAKE_FLAGS += AR="mipsel-openwrt-linux-uclibc-ar r" to your Makefile, at least objects are added into the archive now :) but there is another error afterwards, related to alsa
2010-06-16 10:49 <tuxbrain-> calamarz you also need input-core as module
2010-06-16 10:51 <xdpirate> tuxbrain, I just got a bill for €50 from TNT
2010-06-16 10:51 <xdpirate> I thought I already paid for the shipping
2010-06-16 10:55 <methril_work> xdpirate: you have a bill for the import taxes
2010-06-16 10:55 <xdpirate> import taxes are €20
2010-06-16 10:55 <methril_work> then ask TNT :(
2010-06-16 10:55 <xdpirate> €20 is just fine, I expected that. TNT wants €50, something I was never informed of when I ordered, because shipping was already paid at checkout
2010-06-16 10:56 <methril_work> usually the bill is for taxes. not for shipping costs
2010-06-16 10:56 <xdpirate> Yeah I'm going to call them, they're not getting €50, I never even entered a signed contract with these people, tuxbrain did
2010-06-16 10:57 <xdpirate> they even want money for "pre-paying" import taxes
2010-06-16 10:57 <xdpirate> without my consent, mind you
2010-06-16 10:58 <xdpirate> I feel like never using TNT ever again
2010-06-16 10:58 <methril_work> who wants that money? TNT?
2010-06-16 10:58 <xdpirate> yup
2010-06-16 10:58 <methril_work> it depends on the country
2010-06-16 10:58 <xdpirate> <-- norway
2010-06-16 10:59 <rafa> larsc: are you talking about 2.6.34 kernel right?
2010-06-16 10:59 <methril_work> sometimes TNT is better than UPS
2010-06-16 10:59 <larsc> rafa: yes
2010-06-16 10:59 <xdpirate> I'm not paying them loads for pre-paying import taxes, which I never agreed to, nor was I informed when I talked to them on the phone
2010-06-16 10:59 <methril_work> hi larsc!
2010-06-16 10:59 <zear> i had a lot of trouble with TNT when receiving the nanonote
2010-06-16 10:59 <methril_work> larsc: i didn´t find the time to get hands on with the kernel ;(
2010-06-16 11:00 <xdpirate> They didn't even deliver it personally, they dumped it onto national mail who delivered it 3 days late
2010-06-16 11:00 <methril_work> crappy international mail systems!!
2010-06-16 11:01 <rafa> larsc: pah.. :(
2010-06-16 11:01 <xdpirate> I'll pay TNT back for the import taxes, but that's it, they're not getting their so-called "administration tax" and "prepay provision"
2010-06-16 11:01 <xdpirate> That's a load of shit right there, they didn't even inform me when the package was at customs
2010-06-16 11:02 <rafa> larsc: I am at this commit :
2010-06-16 11:02 <calamarz> tuxbrain-: you have the ipkg link at hand?
2010-06-16 11:02 <rafa> commit 4d7a0d77670f11945b634e5ee012493925912685
2010-06-16 11:02 <rafa> Author: Lars-Peter Clausen <lars@metafoo.de>
2010-06-16 11:02 <rafa> Date:   Sat May 29 02:31:50 2010 +0200
2010-06-16 11:02 <methril_work> they never inform about that
2010-06-16 11:02 <zear> as for me, first they requested me giving him my tax payer number (i am unemployed so i never had such an id, had to make it just to receive the package), then they wanted me to scan some documents for them (took me a whole day to find someone who had a scaner), just to later request me to send them original papers anyway
2010-06-16 11:02 <rafa> larsc: jz-2.6.34 branch
2010-06-16 11:03 <xdpirate> oops, accidental ctrl+q
2010-06-16 11:03 <xdpirate> I'm sure as hell not using TNT again, that's for sure.
2010-06-16 11:08 <methril_work> bbl
2010-06-16 11:14 <Textmode> I just noticed its compiling libogg, shouldn't that be libtremor?
2010-06-16 11:18 <tuxbrain-> Xdpirate i will call my agency tomorrow if you have any paper of them asking for that amount of money send me it too, I can't promise any thing but tomorrow someone will not have friendly call
2010-06-16 11:18 <xdpirate> tuxbrain, I was going to rage-call them aswell
2010-06-16 11:19 <xdpirate> I'll see if I can borrow a scanner (a la zear style) and scan them into a pdf for you
2010-06-16 11:19 <xdpirate> :)
2010-06-16 11:21 <tuxbrain-> At least you have the nano,isn't it
2010-06-16 11:23 <wejp> Textmode, libogg is just the library for the ogg container, while tremor is an fixed-point vorbis decoder library
2010-06-16 11:23 <Textmode> Hmm.
2010-06-16 11:24 <Textmode> I guess that makes sense.
2010-06-16 11:24 <wejp> there is also libvorbis which is a floating point vorbis decoder lib
2010-06-16 11:25 <Textmode> I guess tremor gets built later?
2010-06-16 11:25 <wejp> what are you building?
2010-06-16 11:26 <Textmode> everything, apprently.
2010-06-16 11:26 <wejp> everything? are you building openwrt?
2010-06-16 11:27 <Textmode> yes.
2010-06-16 11:27 <wejp> ok, then yes, tremor is part of openwrt
2010-06-16 11:32 <tuxbrain-> Calamarz at www.tuxbrain.org/downloads/nanonote/packages you will find the ipkgs i achieved indepentdanly of their quality
2010-06-16 11:34 <xdpirate> tuxbrain, does keymouse work?
2010-06-16 11:34 <tuxbrain-> The makefiles in downloads/nanonote/mutroxports
2010-06-16 11:36 <tuxbrain-> Not in openwrt yet but debian calamarz has made some progress, I'm on it surely is matter to recompile the kernel
2010-06-16 11:36 <xdpirate> ok nice
2010-06-16 11:44 <arctanx> xiangfu: Thanks very much for bug-hunting the spaces issue in xburst-tools, by the way. :) you got it really quickly
2010-06-16 11:45 <xiangfu> arctanx: :-)
2010-06-16 11:48 <tuxbrain-> xiangfu have you any clue of what can be happening with the scummvm port...
2010-06-16 11:48 <xiangfu> tuxbrain: Hi. I am look into the 'configure' now.
2010-06-16 11:48 <xiangfu> tuxbrain: I think we can add 'nanonote' to scummvm
2010-06-16 11:49 <xiangfu> tuxbrain: now I am try to create a patch.
2010-06-16 11:50 <tuxbrain-> you have no problem whith the ar part (sorry no interrogation mark)
2010-06-16 11:50 <xiangfu> tuxbrain: the 'ar' don't have any parameters.
2010-06-16 11:51 <tuxbrain-> iknow thats the strange part
2010-06-16 11:53 <tuxbrain-> well whatever a nanonote rule to config is a cool thing
2010-06-16 12:00 <xiangfu> tuxbrain: I have a workaround method: add 'cru' to the rules.mk line 73 :-).
2010-06-16 12:00 <xiangfu> I think the openwrt's AR rewrite the scummvm's ar. so when we try to create .a file. there is only 'mipsel-openwrt-linux-ar' , don't have any parameters.
2010-06-16 12:05 <kyak> tuxbrain-: add MAKE_FLAGS += AR="mipsel-openwrt-linux-uclibc-ar r" to your Makefile
2010-06-16 12:05 <kyak> (I mentioned that above)
2010-06-16 12:07 <rafa> wolfspraul: who is the colombia distributor?
2010-06-16 12:08 <kristianpaul> hello
2010-06-16 12:09 <rafa> kristianpaul: you?
2010-06-16 12:09 <rafa> :)
2010-06-16 12:09 <kristianpaul> if nothing goes wrong, yes
2010-06-16 12:09 <kristianpaul> the idea is distribute nanonote
2010-06-16 12:10 <kristianpaul> as tuxbrain- :)
2010-06-16 12:10 <wolfspraul> also Tuxbrain?
2010-06-16 12:10 <wolfspraul> wow
2010-06-16 12:10 <wolfspraul> Tuxbrain is really going global
2010-06-16 12:10 <rafa> kristianpaul: are you from colombia??! I was thinking that you are from Brasil :D
2010-06-16 12:10 <wolfspraul> Tuxbrain Brazil, Argentina, and now Colombia?
2010-06-16 12:10 <kristianpaul> sorry i dint want meant that wolfspraul
2010-06-16 12:11 <kristianpaul> rafa: well not Brasil, but you were close
2010-06-16 12:11 <rafa> wolfspraul: tuxbrain- wants to dominate all of us, and he started to do that using hardware. I am sure
2010-06-16 12:11 <kristianpaul> i meant i like sell other copyleft hardware stuff to as tuxbrain- does
2010-06-16 12:11 <rafa> kristianpaul: :)
2010-06-16 12:12 <rafa> kristianpaul: do you have a web page?
2010-06-16 12:12 <rafa> as distributor
2010-06-16 12:12 <kristianpaul> not yet
2010-06-16 12:12 <kristianpaul> is planned
2010-06-16 12:12 <kristianpaul> but first i need gert the nanonotes ;)
2010-06-16 12:12 <kristianpaul> s/gerts/get
2010-06-16 12:12 <rafa> ;-)
2010-06-16 12:12 <tuxbrain-> kristianpaul congrats!!!!!
2010-06-16 12:12 <rafa> kristianpaul: are you talking about your ideas in some LUGs?
2010-06-16 12:12 <rafa> (in colombia)
2010-06-16 12:13 <kristianpaul> i'll do as soon have the stuff
2010-06-16 12:13 <kristianpaul> but in a non formal way
2010-06-16 12:13 <kristianpaul> i had told to some guys
2010-06-16 12:13 <kristianpaul> from LUGs
2010-06-16 12:14 <kristianpaul> rafa: are you related to colombia in some wayt, btw?
2010-06-16 12:14 <tuxbrain-> kiak xiangfu thanks a lot i will try when I arrive at home
2010-06-16 12:16 <rafa> kristianpaul: no, I am from Argentina. But, yes, we are no so far ;)
2010-06-16 12:16 <kristianpaul> :)
2010-06-16 12:18 <kristianpaul> wolfspraul: i guess is too soon for asking prices for MM1 isnt :
2010-06-16 12:18 <xiangfu> kyak: yes. I just don't understand why openwrt rewirte scummvm's variable. this variable already in 'config.mk': line 9
2010-06-16 12:19 <kristianpaul> rafa: how many nanos are in argentina now?
2010-06-16 12:20 <kristianpaul> are you planning get more?
2010-06-16 12:21 <zear> oh and yeah, tuxbrain, any people from Poland who bought their nn from you?
2010-06-16 12:21 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: it's too early
2010-06-16 12:22 <wolfspraul> please be patient
2010-06-16 12:22 <wolfspraul> I can only tell you I see myself, and every hardware business, as being in the business of driving prices down.
2010-06-16 12:22 <wolfspraul> I don't believe in luxury technology, I think that's utter nonsense.
2010-06-16 12:22 <wolfspraul> so my goal is 19 USD or whatever :-)
2010-06-16 12:22 <wolfspraul> but that's for a day when we are a multi-billion USD company, if ever
2010-06-16 12:23 <wolfspraul> so 'driving down' may well mean that we have to start a bit higher, otherwise launching it just becomes totally crazy with no money and no feedback from customers
2010-06-16 12:23 <kristianpaul> okay
2010-06-16 12:23 <wolfspraul> it will be expensive at the beginning
2010-06-16 12:23 <wolfspraul> not 99 USD, no way
2010-06-16 12:23 <wolfspraul> impossible
2010-06-16 12:23 <kristianpaul> i know
2010-06-16 12:23 <wolfspraul> but really let's wait a little with this
2010-06-16 12:23 <kristianpaul> sure sure
2010-06-16 12:23 <kristianpaul> i the mean while i just planning get this week the 49usd avnet board finally :)
2010-06-16 12:24 <wolfspraul> there you go :-)
2010-06-16 12:24 <kristianpaul> warming up to  to pay more taxes and duties :/
2010-06-16 12:26 <xdpirate> Have you guys seen this btw? :) http://www.qqmore.info/?p=64
2010-06-16 12:27 <kristianpaul> oh
2010-06-16 12:28 <rafa> kristianpaul: there are two. And I do not know the guy who has the other nanonote :)
2010-06-16 12:29 <kristianpaul> wonder is he is around us ?
2010-06-16 12:30 <freespace> hot damn, links2 just finished compiling
2010-06-16 12:30 <freespace> now see if works
2010-06-16 12:35 <wolfspraul> btw Mirko Vogt released a new OpenWrt image
2010-06-16 12:36 <xdpirate> :o
2010-06-16 12:36 <xdpirate> changelog is whyar?
2010-06-16 12:36 <wolfspraul> do you guys know already?
2010-06-16 12:36 <wolfspraul> http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/images/Ben_NanoNote_2GB_NAND/2010-06-15/
2010-06-16 12:36 <wolfspraul> changelog is in the wiki somewhere, or should be... one sec...
2010-06-16 12:36 <xdpirate> just need to see if it's worth upgrading yet :P
2010-06-16 12:37 <wolfspraul> http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Official_Software_Image#Change_Log
2010-06-16 12:37 <wolfspraul> nothing there yet
2010-06-16 12:37 <wolfspraul> I believe it has a 2.6.34 kernel, for one
2010-06-16 12:37 <kristianpaul> and TP4/TP5 serial as default?
2010-06-16 12:37 <kristianpaul> uboot^
2010-06-16 12:37 <xdpirate> nice
2010-06-16 12:38 <kristianpaul> ahh wait is just openwrt
2010-06-16 12:38 <xdpirate> I'll wait for a changelog before i reflash
2010-06-16 12:38 <kristianpaul> mee too
2010-06-16 12:38 <xdpirate> reinstalling packages is a hassle :P
2010-06-16 12:39 <wolfspraul> yeah we should make updates from one openwrt release to another possible via opkg
2010-06-16 12:40 <wolfspraul> maybe that is already the case actually, dont' know
2010-06-16 12:40 <kristianpaul> but even openqrt flash the whole thing
2010-06-16 12:40 <wolfspraul> not sure about u-boot though, whether we should leave that alone or also update
2010-06-16 12:40 <kristianpaul> i think reflash is not bad to emdebbed stuff just making sure all personal info is keep safe
2010-06-16 12:41 <kristianpaul> s/openqrt/openwrt
2010-06-16 12:41 <wolfspraul> the easier updating software is, the more successful our project will be
2010-06-16 12:41 <kristianpaul> reflash
2010-06-16 12:41 <wolfspraul> for now I think we are 10% into how easy it could be, in many different scenarios
2010-06-16 12:41 <wolfspraul> sure reflash is one option, there should be others, and all of them should be easy and safe. we get there.
2010-06-16 12:42 <kristianpaul> i did with my wrt54gl last two openwrt releases an all went ok
2010-06-16 12:42 <kyak> wolfspraul: hm, it's strange that git's kernel is still 2.6.32, when an image with 2.6.34 was just released?
2010-06-16 12:42 <kyak> i mean, openwrt-xburst git repo
2010-06-16 12:42 <kristianpaul> hmm
2010-06-16 12:42 <wolfspraul> maybe the image is built from upstream
2010-06-16 12:42 <wolfspraul> the way they are handling is is that they are committing everything that is upstream-ready into upstream right away
2010-06-16 12:42 <wolfspraul> or maybe the new release still has 2.6.32, I haven't checked yet
2010-06-16 12:43 <kristianpaul> i hope it include some ogg samples
2010-06-16 12:43 <kristianpaul> and the picture viewver :)
2010-06-16 12:43 <rafa> wolfspraul: I tried to have a kernel with a initramfs inside, so you boot that kernel as default. Then the little system inside should show you a boot menu (to choose from which partition to boot, using kexec) and an option to install a rootfs on nand or SD via usb/ssh/ftp whatever.
2010-06-16 12:44 <rafa> wolfspraul: but I failed in my tests with current bootloaders and spaces
2010-06-16 12:44 <kristianpaul> i relly need it wokring with gmenu
2010-06-16 12:45 <rafa> wolfspraul: so the idea is to have always the same kernel there on nand, with the mini system to boot or to update the rootfs
2010-06-16 12:47 <rafa> wolfspraul: my idea was do not use usboot, or sd card reader anymore. I want to upgrade my machine from some default system inside.
2010-06-16 12:47 <kyak> wolfspraul: accordinf to BUILD_LOG, it's still 2.6.32
2010-06-16 12:48 <wolfspraul> he oh well :-)
2010-06-16 12:48 <wolfspraul> sorry I sent out wrong info then here
2010-06-16 12:48 <wolfspraul> Mirko Vogt should announce what is new in this image, I'm sure he will
2010-06-16 12:48 <wolfspraul> I need to reflash my Nano, but too tired now...
2010-06-16 12:48 <wolfspraul> 'night
2010-06-16 12:48 <kristianpaul> nite
2010-06-16 12:49 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: the TP4/TP5 enable in new release.
2010-06-16 12:49 <kristianpaul> wee :)
2010-06-16 12:49 <kristianpaul> xiangfu: there are also some GPIO pins next to TP4/5 i think TP35/36 not sure
2010-06-16 12:50 <kristianpaul> to access
2010-06-16 12:50 <xiangfu> I am thinking do we need build the sound as module?
2010-06-16 12:50 <kristianpaul> please :)
2010-06-16 12:50 <kristianpaul> gpio could be a module too?
2010-06-16 12:51 <kristianpaul> as mmc in openwrt isnt?
2010-06-16 12:51 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: yes. I think so.
2010-06-16 12:51 <rafa> xiangfu: there is some weird stuff in sound code I think. I use 2.6.34. I have used the sound as part of the kernel, no as module. Sometimes it worked and sometimes no.
2010-06-16 12:51 <rafa> xiangfu: No idea why, because I was working in other kind of stuff
2010-06-16 12:52 <rafa> xiangfu: but I am sure that it is a kernel problem, because dmesg showed (sometimes) Alsa sound card: ... (empty)
2010-06-16 12:52 <rafa> and sometimes it showed the proper name of the alsa kernel driver
2010-06-16 12:53 <kristianpaul> i remenber my nano rebooted some times when doing alsamixer, i dont know if is related to this?
2010-06-16 12:53 <xiangfu> rafa: don't know why. sorry.
2010-06-16 12:53 <rafa> xiangfu: no problem, no rush. I am trying to realize why my machine does not poweroff ;)
2010-06-16 12:54 <xiangfu> time to sleep , good night. :)
2010-06-16 12:55 <kristianpaul> xiangfu: nite
2010-06-16 12:55 <rafa> good night
2010-06-16 12:56 <kyak> rafa: i'm going to try installing jlime to microsd from Ben directly, i will be following http://jlime.com/mw4/index.php/Installation_nanonote#Installation - is that correct?
2010-06-16 12:56 <kyak> i remember you were saying about the latest version :)
2010-06-16 13:12 <rafa> kyak: yeah.. you need to know which is the SD device in openwrt and you can do all the steps in openwrt
2010-06-16 13:12 <rafa> I am sure..
2010-06-16 13:12 <kyak> doing it now
2010-06-16 13:12 <kyak> so far so good
2010-06-16 13:13 <rafa> okey, kyak let me know if you have doubs ;)
2010-06-16 13:14 <kyak> sure, thanks :)
2010-06-16 13:14 <kyak> oh, first doubt: do i have to flash the uboot?
2010-06-16 13:14 <kyak> i already have the latest from openwrt
2010-06-16 13:15 <rafa> kyak: no I think
2010-06-16 13:15 <kyak> ok
2010-06-16 13:15 <rafa> just that the original uboot that nn brings does not work IIRC
2010-06-16 13:15 <rafa> but if you have a newer that is okey
2010-06-16 13:19 <kyak> yes, the newer one
2010-06-16 13:21 <rafa> kyak: the name of the file on FAT must be : uImage
2010-06-16 13:24 <kyak> sure, i'm reading good :)
2010-06-16 13:26 <kyak> well
2010-06-16 13:26 <kyak> time for reboot
2010-06-16 13:26 <kyak> fingers crossed, etc :)
2010-06-16 13:27 <kyak> this thing is booting :)
2010-06-16 13:27 <kyak> fonts incredibly small
2010-06-16 13:28 <kyak> what's the deafult password for root?
2010-06-16 13:29 <kyak> rafa: or better, point we somewhere so i could understand the awesomeness of Jlime :)
2010-06-16 13:31 <kyak> root:$1$8LRddwVJ$/3v/DbDx3MCptQF/QvhIe.:0:0:root:/home/root:/bin/sh
2010-06-16 13:31 <kyak> i think i'm gonna have to crack it
2010-06-16 13:31 <kyak> the only way to get into Jlime :)
2010-06-16 13:31 <rafa> kyak: the manual has the password :)
2010-06-16 13:31 <rafa> and, btw, the password of root is root :D
2010-06-16 13:31 <kyak> yeah.. i see it :)
2010-06-16 13:32 <rafa> http://jlime.com/mw4/index.php/Jlime_Muffinman  for more tips
2010-06-16 13:32 <kyak> this was my first guess, btw, but i must have mistyped
2010-06-16 13:33 <rafa> BTW, is is ultra beta version.. it is not stable, no easy for end users. IT is just our first cool image to install software from repositories.. you will have lot of fun with opkg ;)
2010-06-16 13:34 <kyak> i hope so :)
2010-06-16 13:37 <kyak> opkg: gz_open: fork: Cannot allocate memory
2010-06-16 13:37 <kyak> i think i need to enable swap, right?
2010-06-16 13:38 <rafa> if you followed the instructions you did :D
2010-06-16 13:39 <kyak> i have the swap partition, indeed
2010-06-16 13:39 <kyak> but it's not mounted
2010-06-16 13:39 <rafa> did you do mkswap from openwrt?
2010-06-16 13:39 <rafa> is it the 3rt partition?
2010-06-16 13:40 <rafa> you can check if you have swap turned on doing free
2010-06-16 13:40 <kyak> Swap:            0            0            0
2010-06-16 13:40 <kyak> i did mkswap
2010-06-16 13:42 <kyak> root@BenNanoNote:~# mkswap  /dev/mmcblk0p3
2010-06-16 13:42 <kyak> Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 32960512 bytes
2010-06-16 13:42 <kyak> UUID=7ff7e0b2-2145-4189-8493-aede218ed44e
2010-06-16 13:42 <kyak> here :)
2010-06-16 13:42 <rafa> now swapon /dev/mmcblk0p3
2010-06-16 13:43 <kyak> good, thanks!
2010-06-16 13:48 <kyak> prboom: no video mode large enough for 640x480
2010-06-16 13:48 <kyak> damn , this is almost unreadable
2010-06-16 13:48 <kyak> rafa: how should i start prboom?
2010-06-16 13:49 <zear> kyak, ~/.prboom/prboom.cfg
2010-06-16 13:49 <rafa> kyak: it is more comfortable if you use a ssh session. To run prboom :
2010-06-16 13:49 <rafa> export SDL_VIDEODRIVER=fbcon
2010-06-16 13:49 <rafa> export SDL_NOMOUSE=1
2010-06-16 13:49 <rafa> prboom -width 320 -height 240
2010-06-16 13:49 <zear> kyak, such a file doesn't exist, so create it and put the following:
2010-06-16 13:49 <zear> screen_width 320
2010-06-16 13:49 <zear> screen_height 240
2010-06-16 13:49 <zear> that did the job for me
2010-06-16 13:49 <kyak> ok, thanks guys
2010-06-16 13:49 <zear> or.. what rafa wrote, should be faster :D
2010-06-16 13:49 <rafa> ah.. better as zear says :)
2010-06-16 13:50 <zear> haha
2010-06-16 13:50 <kyak> lol
2010-06-16 13:50 <zear> do whichever you want
2010-06-16 13:50 <rafa> yeah
2010-06-16 13:50 <rafa> do not use prboom if you want
2010-06-16 13:50 <rafa> :D
2010-06-16 13:50 <kyak> though i'm wondering how it will run via ssh
2010-06-16 13:50 <kyak> ok. let's see
2010-06-16 13:51 <rafa> kyak: it is the same
2010-06-16 13:52 <kyak> wow
2010-06-16 13:52 <kyak> i'm playing it
2010-06-16 13:52 <kyak> insane!
2010-06-16 13:52 <kyak> where's the shoot button? :)
2010-06-16 13:53 <kyak> 40 % health, quick! :)
2010-06-16 13:54 <nebajoth> yes hello
2010-06-16 13:54 <nebajoth> what are you playing
2010-06-16 13:54 <kyak> open doom :)
2010-06-16 13:55 <kyak> ok, it's playable.. now for the mplayer
2010-06-16 13:55 <kyak> i expect it won't play 1080p?
2010-06-16 13:56 <nebajoth> debian or jlime?
2010-06-16 13:56 <kyak> it's jlime
2010-06-16 13:58 <rafa> kyak: after to install mplayer read /usr/share/doc/mplayer/README
2010-06-16 13:58 <tuxbrain> yeah kyak but if you don't have a hdmi<->usb-device adaptor you cant apreciate it :P
2010-06-16 13:59 <tuxbrain> (for aclaration the of casual visitors my prior sentences is a joke :P)
2010-06-16 14:00 <kyak> tuxbrain: too late! i already ordered one :)
2010-06-16 14:00 <tuxbrain> man tell me where and I will incorporate to the catalog :P
2010-06-16 14:02 <tuxbrain> along with the fision ethernal battery, and cheap wifi/usb host/bt/scsi/serial/esata/ all in one uSD cards
2010-06-16 14:04 <kyak> hehe
2010-06-16 14:05 <tuxbrain> yay! kyak your AR tip has make the scummvm passing the breaking point!!! crosssing my fingers until the end of the loooong compilation proccess
2010-06-16 14:05 <kyak> i'm predicting
2010-06-16 14:06 <kyak> the next error is alsa :)
2010-06-16 14:06 <tuxbrain> I hate magicians
2010-06-16 14:06 <kyak> insanity!!! mplayer does the job!
2010-06-16 14:07 <kyak> but the usual 9-0 volume control buttons not working -\
2010-06-16 14:08 <tuxbrain> damnit you where right ;(, as I said I hate magicians
2010-06-16 14:08 <kyak> no, you hate alsa!
2010-06-16 14:08 <kyak> please, hate alsa!
2010-06-16 14:08 <tuxbrain> sure it was done by a magician too
2010-06-16 14:09 <kyak> Jlime$ opkg list |wc -l
2010-06-16 14:09 <kyak> 14282
2010-06-16 14:10 <tuxbrain> what res and codec are you playing with mplayer?
2010-06-16 14:11 <emeb> was having so much fun playing dingoo stuff on my NN that I ordered an A-320...
2010-06-16 14:11 <kyak> tuxbrain: just following the /usr/share/doc/mplayer/README, it's 240x180 mpg
2010-06-16 14:12 <kyak> jlime seem to have 10 times more packages then openwrt (at least comparing to kamikaze/8.09.1/brcm-2.4)
2010-06-16 14:12 <kyak> rafa: how is it possible?
2010-06-16 14:12 <kyak> the nexting testing point in Jlime is WiFi.. if it works, i might be staying
2010-06-16 14:13 <kyak> actually, it's the first point, but ok
2010-06-16 14:16 <tuxbrain> jlime is based on OE, a lot of wide distros are based in oe, like angstrom so i has a lot more base done than openwrt
2010-06-16 14:16 <kyak> is jlime binary compatible with ben/dingoo?
2010-06-16 14:16 <kyak> or debian?
2010-06-16 14:16 <emeb> oe works pretty well - I use it on beagle.
2010-06-16 14:20 <rafa> binary compatibility between distros is just luck. You need to use the same compiler and base libraries to do compatibility. So no, it is not compatible. If you can run a dingoo binary on debian or openwrt it is just luck (I would not think that debian developers decided to use the same libs and compilers that dingoo to be Debian compatible with dingoo binaries :) )
2010-06-16 14:20 <kyak> ok, i see
2010-06-16 14:21 <tuxbrain> fails on linking, (as leafpad did) so I will try to fix it same way puting manually the dir of the libraries
2010-06-16 14:21 <kyak> is it still required to remount rootfs to read-only before shitdown in jlime?
2010-06-16 14:21 <kyak> shutdown even
2010-06-16 14:22 <rafa> kyak: btw, I have around 300+ packages more to upload to the repository (most of them of python-*) so the number of packages will increase a bit these days :)
2010-06-16 14:22 <tuxbrain> I'm a f$%&ing shopkeeper what the hell I'm doing dealing with linking stuff :P
2010-06-16 14:22 <rafa> kyak: and the number of packages is because OE has a lot of stuff, nicely ready to build and upload. ;-)
2010-06-16 14:23 <kyak> rafa: that's cool :) i need to have a closer look
2010-06-16 14:47 <kristoffer> tuxbrain, :D
2010-06-16 15:29 <methril_work> re
2010-06-16 16:49 <xakh> does jlime have gcc?
2010-06-16 16:51 <xakh> anyone?
2010-06-16 16:51 <xakh> ping
2010-06-16 16:51 <xakh> .....
2010-06-16 16:52 <tuxbrain> hi xakh, first try of leafpad here http://www.tuxbrain.org/downloads/nanonote/packages/leafpad_0.8.17le-2_xburst.ipk
2010-06-16 16:52 <xakh> You made leafpad!
2010-06-16 16:52 <xakh> you rule!
2010-06-16 16:52 <tuxbrain> it has some issues
2010-06-16 16:52 <tuxbrain> the most annoying is the no clean exit
2010-06-16 16:53 <tuxbrain> it seems to frezze the frambuffer on exit, and the last thing on screen remains forever until reboot
2010-06-16 16:54 <tuxbrain> other things are the tipical like over sized menus
2010-06-16 16:55 <tuxbrain> menus no, dialogs like open/save as, or font settings (I think this is matter of the gtk defaults also)
2010-06-16 16:56 <tuxbrain> but well was my first try on a "complicated" port, I'm glad just to have a ipkg to show I did it :)
2010-06-16 16:56 <xakh> hmm
2010-06-16 16:56 <xakh> well, sweet.
2010-06-16 16:57 <xakh> odd
2010-06-16 16:57 <xakh> jlime says it's corrupt
2010-06-16 16:57 <tuxbrain> the ipkg is for openwrt
2010-06-16 16:58 <xakh> oh I know
2010-06-16 16:58 <xakh> but I tried to boot from the SD to test out the stuff
2010-06-16 17:01 <xakh> find the error at imgur.com/LYgiT.jpg
2010-06-16 17:04 <tuxbrain> you can read the fat partition on your pc?
2010-06-16 17:25 <xakh> sorry, was afk there
2010-06-16 17:25 <xakh> yes, I can read the partition
2010-06-16 17:26 <tuxbrain> xakh, good news, if you launch the Leafpad form gmenu2x the nastier effect dissapears, when you close Leafpad you return cleanly to gmenu2x :), zear thanks for the wrapper option :)
2010-06-16 17:27 <xakh> oooh, I want the wrapper, and such
2010-06-16 17:29 <tuxbrain> :) wrapper is a parameter of the gmenu2x , when you launch an app from an icon you decide if you stay in console after finish it, or return to gmenu2x, setting the option wrapper=true you return to gmenu2x once application launched quits.
2010-06-16 17:39 <xakh> nice.
2010-06-16 17:40 <xakh> it has to be in /card to show up on gmenu2x, right
2010-06-16 17:40 <xakh> ?
2010-06-16 17:40 <tuxbrain> uh... no
2010-06-16 17:41 <xakh> oh, awesome
2010-06-16 17:41 <xakh> hey, what's the syntax to install it?
2010-06-16 17:42 <xakh> I know I use opkg
2010-06-16 17:42 <tuxbrain> just you have to define a file in /usr/share/gmenu2x/seccions/[applications,games,whateversection] like for exaple the stardict
2010-06-16 17:43 <tuxbrain> just replace the title and the exec lines to lauch leafpad instead of startdict
2010-06-16 17:43 <xakh> ah ok
2010-06-16 17:43 <xakh> well, anyway, can you point me to a tut on installing .ipk files? my google fu is weak today.
2010-06-16 17:44 <tuxbrain> easy, download the ipkg
2010-06-16 17:44 <xakh> got that part.
2010-06-16 17:45 <tuxbrain> opkg install nameofthefile.ipk
2010-06-16 17:45 <tuxbrain> from nanonote it self of course
2010-06-16 17:46 <tuxbrain> the ipkg must be in the nano
2010-06-16 17:46 <xakh> thanks
2010-06-16 17:46 <tuxbrain> whatever place
2010-06-16 17:46 <tuxbrain> cd to that place and opkg install nameofthefile.ipk
2010-06-16 17:46 <xakh> hmm
2010-06-16 17:47 <xakh> when I open it, it's just a white screen.
2010-06-16 17:47 <xakh> it's done this before, when opening Stardict
2010-06-16 17:47 <xakh> is there something wrong with my FB implementation?
2010-06-16 17:48 <tuxbrain> mmm strange... what version of release are you using?
2010-06-16 17:48 <xakh> the last one, from may
2010-06-16 17:48 <tuxbrain> same as mine....
2010-06-16 17:50 <tuxbrain> sorry man, time to sleep
2010-06-16 17:50 <xakh> np
2010-06-16 17:52 <tuxbrain> btw today a new official distro seems to be on the downloads folder :) , I will wait for Mirko to know what are the news on it, maybe we will have better luck with leafpad in the new one :) good night
2010-06-16 17:52 <xakh> oooooooh
2010-06-16 17:52 <xakh> thanks man!
2010-06-16 18:00 <xakh> hey, anyone know how I can change the size of my terminal emu on jlime?
2010-06-16 19:33 <rafa> tuxbrain_away: leafpad: use jlime :D
2010-06-16 19:42 <calamarz> http://repo.or.cz/w/fbpdf.git
2010-06-16 19:42 <calamarz> cool fb pdf reader ^^
2010-06-16 19:44 <calamarz> I had to change the typedef to unsigned int fbval_t (draw.h) in case sb interested
2010-06-16 19:58 <calamarz> it is quite lightweight... anyway, I think pdfs should be reformatted to be read more comfortably... it would be useful to script it.
2010-06-16 20:09 <Textmode> morning all
2010-06-16 21:12 <freespace> morning
2010-06-16 21:15 <wolfspraul> freespace: are you in Asia?
2010-06-16 21:15 <wolfspraul> also 'morning here, need to run to a vendor (hoperf)...
2010-06-16 21:16 <freespace> going by my sleep patterns
2010-06-16 21:16 <freespace> you would think so
2010-06-16 21:16 <freespace> :P
2010-06-16 21:16 <freespace> nah i am in australia
2010-06-16 21:16 <emeb> wolfspraul: how's things going w/ hoperf?
2010-06-16 21:21 <wolfspraul> visiting them today, lots of questions, will send a report to the list
2010-06-16 21:21 <freespace> cool
2010-06-16 21:24 <emeb> will be interested - I took a look at the RFM22 datasheet. Seems like a promising module.
2010-06-16 21:25 <emeb> Should be pretty easy to integrate - SPI support is already in-kernel, so writing a driver should be straight-forward.
2010-06-16 21:25 <wolfspraul> emeb: he he. I may take you up for these things :-)
2010-06-16 21:26 <wolfspraul> emeb: if you compare 12 vs. 22 and 23, which one do you like better?
2010-06-16 21:26 <emeb> I'll give them a closer look and let you know.
2010-06-16 21:26 <emeb> 12 or 12B?
2010-06-16 21:27 <wolfspraul> 12B is the newer one, I think they just removed 5V and one rarely used band
2010-06-16 21:27 <emeb> *nod*
2010-06-16 21:28 <emeb> 23 has lower output power and COB construction - should be less expensive.
2010-06-16 21:28 <wolfspraul> do you think 22/23 are compatible with 12/12b, i.e. can send packages to each other
2010-06-16 21:29 <wolfspraul> I forgot about the modulation details of the various modules
2010-06-16 21:29 <wolfspraul> also need to find out when these modules were introduced, how sales are going, and how long they will be available (or in other words what they are investing into now)
2010-06-16 21:29 <emeb> Looks like there is some band overlap. Need to check modulations tho.
2010-06-16 21:30 <emeb> also read as "how much life do they have left"
2010-06-16 21:30 <wolfspraul> yeah, it's hard to find out because we are all subject to hardware economics
2010-06-16 21:30 <methril> gets happy reading progress about LowFi :)
2010-06-16 21:30 <wolfspraul> but best you can do is have a good personal communication channel and chat once in a while
2010-06-16 21:31 <wolfspraul> they are very open too, about sales, how it's goign in different markets, etc.
2010-06-16 21:31 <wolfspraul> because they are sitting in the same boat with their customers about making good choices for the future, focusing on high-volume chips, etc.
2010-06-16 21:31 <wolfspraul> if I end up with a chip/module that is dead a year later, everybody will suffer
2010-06-16 21:31 <wolfspraul> anyway
2010-06-16 21:31 <wolfspraul> I'll report to the list, no worries
2010-06-16 21:32 <methril> thank you again for your excellent work wolfspraul
2010-06-16 21:32 <wolfspraul> ha, I enjoy it
2010-06-16 21:32 <wolfspraul> only we need to increase sales somehow
2010-06-16 21:32 <methril> we enjoy it too ;)
2010-06-16 21:33 <wolfspraul> can't be that there are only 800 people in the world to whom the NanoNote can create value
2010-06-16 21:33 <wolfspraul> so let's see...
2010-06-16 21:33 <methril> i get in contact with the brazilian guy that wants a Group Sale for Brazil, asking for more participants
2010-06-16 21:33 <wolfspraul> cool
2010-06-16 21:33 <methril> and if he's in any LUG
2010-06-16 21:33 <wolfspraul> I need to test the new openwrt image today
2010-06-16 21:33 <methril> to see if it could increase the sales
2010-06-16 21:34 <wolfspraul> if it's good I plan to go to our warehouse and reflash all remaining 220 or so Nanos there, maybe put some stickers in the box too
2010-06-16 21:34 <wolfspraul> great, every unit/sale helps
2010-06-16 21:34 <wolfspraul> we are moving, software gets better
2010-06-16 21:34 <methril> maybe i'm going to bough another NN
2010-06-16 21:34 <emeb> wolfspraul: looks like the 12B is FSK-only while 22/23 also support OOK & GFSK
2010-06-16 21:34 <methril> (the first one i didn't bough)
2010-06-16 21:34 <methril> andn i could test the tax system ;)
2010-06-16 21:34 <emeb> no telling if 12B FSK is compatible w/ 22/23 tho.
2010-06-16 21:35 <wolfspraul> hmm
2010-06-16 21:35 <wolfspraul> OK
2010-06-16 21:35 <wolfspraul> gotta run
2010-06-16 21:36 <wolfspraul> emeb: do you think OOK & GFSK would be interesting?
2010-06-16 21:36 <emeb> wolfspraul: OOK not so much. GFSK looks good tho - better spectrum, likely more efficient / sensitivity.
2010-06-16 21:37 <wolfspraul> ok
2010-06-16 21:45 <freespace> hrm, i got links compiled with directfb support. but when i run it on the NN (openwrt) all i get is a white screen
2010-06-16 21:55 <calamarz> freespace: I got links2 in debian, but it renders only in half screen :/
2010-06-16 21:56 <freespace> rats
2010-06-16 21:56 <freespace> well that is further along than i am! :)
2010-06-16 21:56 <freespace> which version of links and libdirectfb do you have there?
2010-06-16 21:57 <freespace> hrmph, gmu doesn't work either
2010-06-16 21:57 <freespace> unable to open mouse
2010-06-16 21:57 <freespace> weird
2010-06-16 22:03 <nebajoth> y halo thar
2010-06-16 22:14 <freespace> morning nebajoth
2010-06-16 22:15 <nebajoth> hey thar
2010-06-16 22:15 <nebajoth> where do you live?
2010-06-16 22:15 <nebajoth> its night here
2010-06-16 22:15 <nebajoth> 10:15pm
2010-06-16 22:16 <freespace> in the future!
2010-06-16 22:16 <nebajoth> or the past
2010-06-16 22:16 <freespace> you are still stuck on the 16th
2010-06-16 22:16 <nebajoth> so I am
2010-06-16 22:17 <nebajoth> its not so bad
2010-06-16 22:17 <nebajoth> the 16th
2010-06-16 22:17 <freespace> there is not much between us and date line :)
2010-06-16 22:17 <freespace> it was alright
2010-06-16 22:17 <freespace> but i am over it
2010-06-16 22:17 <freespace> 17th is where its at :P
2010-06-16 22:17 <freespace> how does your evening find you?
2010-06-16 22:17 <nebajoth> tired
2010-06-16 22:18 <nebajoth> watching the switzerland/spain match
2010-06-16 22:18 <nebajoth> from earlier today
2010-06-16 22:18 <nebajoth> didn't get a chance to watch it live
2010-06-16 22:18 <nebajoth> stupid work...
2010-06-16 22:18 <freespace> oh, i missed that
2010-06-16 22:18 <nebajoth> its pretty effing spectacular actually
2010-06-16 22:18 <nebajoth> the second half anyway
2010-06-16 22:18 <freespace> i will see if there is a rerun
2010-06-16 22:18 <nebajoth> like the Matrix
2010-06-16 22:18 <nebajoth> I'm streaming it from cbc.ca
2010-06-16 22:19 <nebajoth> they have all the matches on demand online
2010-06-16 22:19 <nebajoth> I dunno if you have to be Canadian or something though
2010-06-16 22:19 <freespace> i am sure i can get around their geolocation stuff
2010-06-16 22:19 <nebajoth> hackar
2010-06-16 22:19 <nebajoth> ALART
2010-06-16 22:19 <nebajoth> FOREIGN HACKAR ALART
2010-06-16 22:20 <freespace> how do you know i am not canadian?
2010-06-16 22:20 <nebajoth> :O
2010-06-16 22:20 <nebajoth> BLOWING
2010-06-16 22:20 <nebajoth> MY MIND
2010-06-16 22:26 <Textmode> bah, qt is *still* building...I don't even want it :/
2010-06-16 22:26 <freespace> the irony of a guy using "textmode" as the handle compiling qt
2010-06-16 22:26 <freespace> :D
2010-06-16 22:27 <Textmode> otoh, makes sense that I don't want it :P
2010-06-16 22:27 <freespace> hehe
2010-06-16 22:27 <freespace> first thing i did was remove all gtk* and qt* stuff
2010-06-16 22:27 <Textmode> does it at least start up on the NN faster than GTK does?
2010-06-16 22:27 <freespace> i don't know
2010-06-16 22:27 <freespace> i don't have either
2010-06-16 22:27 <freespace> but stardict was really slow starting up
2010-06-16 22:28 <Textmode> they are total overkill for the nn, imho. you need something small and light.
2010-06-16 22:28 <Textmode> preferably fast, too :P
2010-06-16 22:28 <freespace> nod
2010-06-16 22:28 <freespace> very few desktop apps can be ported to run on such a small screen
2010-06-16 22:28 <freespace> and still be useful
2010-06-16 22:28 <Textmode> aye.
2010-06-16 22:28 <freespace> esp one without a pointing device
2010-06-16 22:28 <freespace> i couldn't scroll in stardict
2010-06-16 22:28 <Textmode> particularly as many of them are designed with the assuption you have a mouse.
2010-06-16 22:29 <freespace> nod
2010-06-16 22:29 <Textmode> although I hear they recently cooked up a mouse emu...
2010-06-16 22:29 <freespace> NN is my excuse to retreat back to writing and using cursor based programs :P
2010-06-16 22:29 <xiangfu> freespace: the first time to run stardict. it need create a dictionary index. after that it's better
2010-06-16 22:29 <freespace> ahhh
2010-06-16 22:29 <freespace> ok, could you tell me how to scroll in the definition?
2010-06-16 22:30 <freespace> i tab'd so the definition window was selected, but press arrow keys didn't do anything
2010-06-16 22:30 <freespace> stardict is the most useful gfx program on there besides gmu
2010-06-16 22:37 <Textmode> ...takes a while to exit, too.
2010-06-16 22:37 <Textmode> ...or maybe it just crashed...
2010-06-16 22:37 <freespace> probably qt's fault :)
2010-06-16 22:37 <Textmode> heh
2010-06-16 22:37 <nebajoth> freespace | the irony of a guy using "textmode" as the handle compiling qt
2010-06-16 22:37 <nebajoth> freespace++
2010-06-16 22:38 <freespace> i am incremented!
2010-06-16 22:38 <Textmode> congratulates freespace 
2010-06-16 22:38 <freespace> thank you, it is great achivement
2010-06-16 22:39 <nebajoth> you're a mudder
2010-06-16 22:39 <Textmode> meep?
2010-06-16 22:40 <freespace> all the issues aside, it is quite neat stardict runs - i doubt it was made for anything like the NN
2010-06-16 22:40 <freespace> Textmode: nebajoth thinks i play muds
2010-06-16 22:40 <nebajoth> or used to
2010-06-16 22:40 <freespace> nod
2010-06-16 22:40 <nebajoth> yes precisely
2010-06-16 22:40 <nebajoth> flee
2010-06-16 22:40 <freespace> i tried one or two, didn't grab me
2010-06-16 22:40 <nebajoth> get potion sack
2010-06-16 22:40 <nebajoth> drink potion
2010-06-16 22:40 <nebajoth> north
2010-06-16 22:40 <nebajoth> kill freespace
2010-06-16 22:40 <nebajoth> hai.
2010-06-16 22:41 <nebajoth> the limited number of horizontal pixels on the NN screen is my biggest bane
2010-06-16 22:41 <Textmode> unfortunately, the potion was of poison.
2010-06-16 22:41 <nebajoth> I hate it more than lack of wifi
2010-06-16 22:41 <freespace> 13270 s003  Z      2:00.08 freespace
2010-06-16 22:41 <freespace> brrraaaiiinnnnnsssss
2010-06-16 22:41 <nebajoth> D:
2010-06-16 22:41 <Textmode> nah, I think its just crashed, that screen isn't going away...
2010-06-16 22:41 <freespace> (you need to kill my parents too)
2010-06-16 22:41 <nebajoth> D:
2010-06-16 22:42 <freespace> if i was to write a zombie story
2010-06-16 22:42 <freespace> that would be how zombie came about
2010-06-16 22:42 <nebajoth> I'm investigating the usability of hsh on the nn
2010-06-16 22:42 <nebajoth> http://freshmeat.net/projects/hsh-2
2010-06-16 22:42 <freespace> the reaper was on down for maintance, so all the zombie processes ran amoke
2010-06-16 22:42 <nebajoth> one of the few assets the NN has in its favor
2010-06-16 22:43 <nebajoth> is a plethora of function keys
2010-06-16 22:43 <freespace> actually, that's the other thing i want to look into
2010-06-16 22:43 <freespace> using smaller console font
2010-06-16 22:43 <nebajoth> convenient.
2010-06-16 22:43 <nebajoth> yes
2010-06-16 22:43 <nebajoth> I have been experimenting with just that
2010-06-16 22:43 <nebajoth> I find 10 the lowest usable
2010-06-16 22:43 <Textmode> I have to looking that, too.
2010-06-16 22:43 <freespace> how do you set it?
2010-06-16 22:43 <nebajoth> I used
2010-06-16 22:43 <nebajoth> the terminal program
2010-06-16 22:43 <freespace> setfont?
2010-06-16 22:43 <nebajoth> that japanese people use
2010-06-16 22:43 <Textmode> I like to play text adventure, and most assume you have 80x25
2010-06-16 22:43 <nebajoth> no
2010-06-16 22:43 <nebajoth> its an actual terminal
2010-06-16 22:44 <freespace> oh
2010-06-16 22:44 <nebajoth> let me check my .bash_history
2010-06-16 22:44 <nebajoth> haha
2010-06-16 22:44 <nebajoth> I can't remember
2010-06-16 22:44 <nebajoth> someone here told me about it
2010-06-16 22:44 <freespace> well i am sure the japanese use a lot :P
2010-06-16 22:44 <nebajoth> and I only played with it once
2010-06-16 22:44 <freespace> was it a framebuffer term?
2010-06-16 22:44 <freespace> or some such
2010-06-16 22:44 <nebajoth> yes
2010-06-16 22:44 <nebajoth> it was
2010-06-16 22:44 <Textmode> one of the reasons I'm building the toolchain is so I can build fbterm.
2010-06-16 22:44 <nebajoth> es
2010-06-16 22:44 <nebajoth> yes
2010-06-16 22:44 <calamarz> freespace: you might need export SDL_NOMOUSE=1
2010-06-16 22:44 <nebajoth> it was that
2010-06-16 22:44 <nebajoth> fbterm
2010-06-16 22:44 <Textmode> and my dingoo-toolchain lacks the dependancies.
2010-06-16 22:44 <nebajoth> that's what it was
2010-06-16 22:44 <freespace> calamarz: yeah i found that on the mailing list, thanks :)
2010-06-16 22:44 <freespace> i put it into my git branch
2010-06-16 22:44 <freespace> so in future it will make it in there
2010-06-16 22:44 <nebajoth> I used fbterm on my NN
2010-06-16 22:45 <nebajoth> and set the font size
2010-06-16 22:45 <nebajoth> but only the default font
2010-06-16 22:45 <Textmode> nebajoth: does the font look good?
2010-06-16 22:45 <freespace> this implies you stopped using it
2010-06-16 22:45 <nebajoth> I wonder if a different font might be optimized to smaller sizes
2010-06-16 22:45 <nebajoth> it looks ok
2010-06-16 22:45 <Textmode> unfortunately the resolution is a problem.
2010-06-16 22:45 <nebajoth> the more you shrink it, the more obvious it becomes that the pixels are offset slightly
2010-06-16 22:45 <nebajoth> giving the fonts a chicken-scratch look
2010-06-16 22:46 <freespace> nod
2010-06-16 22:46 <Textmode> I think the dingoo native font is the only way you can get 80x25 on such a screen. and font is barely readable.
2010-06-16 22:46 <nebajoth> perhaps there is a font that takes advantage of the physical characteristics of this kind of screen
2010-06-16 22:46 <calamarz> fbterm++
2010-06-16 22:46 <nebajoth> I think it was calamarz who had me download it
2010-06-16 22:46 <nebajoth> actually
2010-06-16 22:46 <Textmode> I'd hate to see what it looks like after the NN's staggered pixels mangle it...
2010-06-16 22:46 <calamarz> check this out guys, talking about usable little stuff on fb
2010-06-16 22:46 <calamarz> http://litcave.berlios.de/
2010-06-16 22:46 <nebajoth> nice find
2010-06-16 22:47 <nebajoth> post that in the Nanohacks community page?
2010-06-16 22:47 <freespace> so, how do you get fbterm on the NN?
2010-06-16 22:47 <calamarz> i've been procrastinating for a big while playing with conversions on pdf
2010-06-16 22:47 <nebajoth> step 1
2010-06-16 22:47 <nebajoth> install debian
2010-06-16 22:47 <freespace> i don' think it is a package?
2010-06-16 22:47 <nebajoth> step 2
2010-06-16 22:47 <freespace> ah
2010-06-16 22:47 <freespace> hehe
2010-06-16 22:47 <nebajoth> profit
2010-06-16 22:47 <calamarz> debian++
2010-06-16 22:47 <nebajoth> I'm loving it
2010-06-16 22:47 <freespace> nod, been waiting for a uSD
2010-06-16 22:47 <calamarz> yep, have to enter nanohacks yet
2010-06-16 22:47 <nebajoth> I have mine installed directly to flash
2010-06-16 22:48 <freespace> ok
2010-06-16 22:48 <nebajoth> mind if I post the link there?
2010-06-16 22:48 <calamarz> not at all :)
2010-06-16 22:49 <freespace> man what an awesome dude
2010-06-16 22:49 <calamarz> I've been playing with a2pdf, a perl script, to make 320x240 pdfs :)
2010-06-16 22:49 <calamarz> freespace: who?
2010-06-16 22:49 <freespace> lit cave guy
2010-06-16 22:49 <calamarz> yeah
2010-06-16 22:49 <calamarz> i'm loving him
2010-06-16 22:49 <freespace> curios he didn't write a fb image viewer
2010-06-16 22:49 <calamarz> nah, fbi is all you did
2010-06-16 22:50 <freespace> ah cool
2010-06-16 22:50 <freespace> bookmarks
2010-06-16 22:50 <calamarz> have to look at the qran reader... sure it can be used more generic
2010-06-16 22:50 <nebajoth> I posted it in NH.org too
2010-06-16 22:51 <calamarz> hum... now that I remind i'm gonna post also the trick needed to get fbpdf to actually compile
2010-06-16 22:51 <nebajoth> :D
2010-06-16 22:51 <calamarz> a little change to the typedef for the fb depth to fit
2010-06-16 22:52 <Textmode> oh, hsh looks nice.
2010-06-16 22:52 <nebajoth> "It uses tinyfont files, a custom simple font file format, to render text. ft2tf can be used to create tinyfont files from truetype fonts."
2010-06-16 22:52 <nebajoth> sweet
2010-06-16 22:52 <nebajoth> Textmode: yeah, its damned interesting.
2010-06-16 22:52 <nebajoth> AND python :D
2010-06-16 22:52 <nebajoth> although python isn't really an ideal language for the horizontally-constrained BNN
2010-06-16 22:52 <nebajoth> all those tabs actually count against it
2010-06-16 22:53 <nebajoth> I'm toying with some ideas for making screen space utilization more efficient in a pretty general way
2010-06-16 22:53 <nebajoth> specifically by stripping newlines from the end of normal terminal output
2010-06-16 22:54 <nebajoth> and instead differentiating new lines with background colour differentiation
2010-06-16 22:54 <nebajoth> haha
2010-06-16 22:54 <nebajoth> differentiating
2010-06-16 22:54 <nebajoth> twice
2010-06-16 22:54 <nebajoth> still
2010-06-16 22:54 <nebajoth> the point is to allow continuous data input
2010-06-16 22:54 <nebajoth> without quickly exhausting the vertical space and thus erasing the history
2010-06-16 22:55 <nebajoth> its a simple change, and I wonder if the human mind will quickly slip into judging new lines by colour
2010-06-16 22:55 <nebajoth> I plan to experiment asap
2010-06-16 22:56 <nebajoth> you all think I'm crazyy
2010-06-16 22:56 <nebajoth> I killed the room
2010-06-16 22:56 <calamarz> :p
2010-06-16 22:56 <nebajoth> :(
2010-06-16 23:17 <calamarz> nebajoth: don't want to discourage you, but human mind will quicky slip into pressing buttons in tactile screens :p
2010-06-16 23:18 <calamarz> to me nn is a treasure cause finally sb thinking in putting keyboards
2010-06-16 23:19 <calamarz> kbd-less stuff=1984
2010-06-16 23:25 <nebajoth> I'm not sure what you mean
2010-06-16 23:25 <nebajoth> I'm not suggesting getting rid of the keyboard
2010-06-16 23:25 <nebajoth> in fact everything would be the same in my scenario
2010-06-16 23:25 <nebajoth> except rather than going to the lefthand-most pixel when a new "line" begins
2010-06-16 23:25 <nebajoth> it would instead change the bg color of the text
2010-06-16 23:25 <nebajoth> and continue inline
2010-06-16 23:26 <nebajoth> and stripe its way across each row that way
2010-06-16 23:26 <nebajoth> this would have the benefit of not wasting any horizontal space
2010-06-16 23:26 <nebajoth> and thus making the backlog appear on screen, and thus within easy recall, longer
2010-06-16 23:26 <nebajoth> it is a solution that only fits a situation in which we have severely limited horizontal space
2010-06-16 23:27 <nebajoth> anything with higher resolution doesn't need this level of optimization
2010-06-16 23:27 <nebajoth> I get sick of looking at screen output that splits into two lines and wastes a good 85% of a horizontal row
2010-06-16 23:27 <nebajoth> it is the worst of all worlds
2010-06-16 23:28 <nebajoth> I seek to optimize a UI experience to the modest hardware of the NN
2010-06-16 23:29 <calamarz> yep, sounds interesting... wasn't atacking your idea, only rambling about iStuff mediated evolution :p
2010-06-16 23:30 <calamarz> at this time of the night my mind diverges
2010-06-16 23:30 <calamarz> er, actually, morning already
2010-06-16 23:34 <calamarz> yep, I know what you mean... i've realised that for instance pdfs are annoying cause of the wasted margins. with such a tiny screen there's no space to waste
2010-06-16 23:37 <calamarz> was thinking about scripting the conversion host-side. although don't know if it would be more efficient to have it in plain text.
2010-06-16 23:40 <nebajoth> a conversion host-side that essentially strips the margins?
2010-06-16 23:40 <nebajoth> personally, I'd want to get the data out of pdf as quickly as possible
2010-06-16 23:40 <nebajoth> and into something fluidly editable
2010-06-16 23:40 <nebajoth> like text
2010-06-16 23:44 <calamarz> mmm yep. but at the same time i'm thinking about having a pleasant reading experience. being able to edit stuff for people to read and enjoy (including images etc)
2010-06-16 23:45 <calamarz> dont know yet. for sure a nerd can read in emacs :)
2010-06-16 23:45 <calamarz> but was thinking that pdf extended for a reason