2010-06-14 00:02 <xakh> ooh, good to hear
2010-06-14 00:02 <xakh> sorry, had a phone call
2010-06-14 00:03 <urandom_> no problem, have to get some slepp now anyway
2010-06-14 00:10 <rejon> word
2010-06-14 00:27 <Textmode> still building ;_;
2010-06-14 01:25 <pitanga> Hi! I just flashed the most recent version of openwrt to my ben nanonote. Gmenu seems cool... but how do i f%#$ing _click_ lol?
2010-06-14 01:52 <Textmode> pitanga: szdx are mapped to the face buttons gmenu wants.
2010-06-14 01:53 <Textmode> pitanga: q and r are mapped to the shoulder buttons.
2010-06-14 01:53 <Textmode> pitanga: I believe enter and tab are start and select.
2010-06-14 01:55 <pitanga> Textmode: thanks!
2010-06-14 01:58 <Textmode> pitanga: note, thats because gmenu has been remapped, if you play a genuine dingux binary...
2010-06-14 02:26 <xdpirate> kyak, thanks for the build last night, but I was away from the keyboard and now the link doesn't work :P
2010-06-14 02:28 <xdpirate> Any one else caught the ne build? =)
2010-06-14 02:35 <xakh> wait how new is the new build?
2010-06-14 02:36 <xdpirate> xakh, a build of ne (nice editor)
2010-06-14 02:40 <xakh> ohhh
2010-06-14 03:11 <kyak> xdpirate: you here?
2010-06-14 03:12 <xdpirate> kyak, yeah :D
2010-06-14 03:12 <kyak> please check again :)
2010-06-14 03:30 <kyak> xdpirate: sorry, my internet was broken
2010-06-14 03:31 <kyak> you can try now
2010-06-14 03:46 <xdpirate> kyak, thanks, works :)
2010-06-14 03:48 <kyak> good :) i'm wrapping it now into Makefile
2010-06-14 04:14 <xdpirate> i'm out for now, cya
2010-06-14 04:18 <tuxbrain> rafa: also need the following packages python-gtk2 , and I don't know what package/s that provides re.py, sre_compile.py ,sre_constants.py ,sre_parse.py
2010-06-14 04:18 <tuxbrain> I think this will enable a lot of phytons gtk apps out there.
2010-06-14 05:14 <xakh> Tuxbrain: I never could get leafpad ported over, you think you can handle it for me?
2010-06-14 05:41 <tuxbrain> xakh: no promises, I hope any of the happy compilers here can be quicker than I, btw what was the problems you have found
2010-06-14 05:41 <xakh> I have no idea. ._.
2010-06-14 05:41 <xakh> I can't figure out head or tail of the whole thing.
2010-06-14 05:42 <xakh> the two things I wanna get working on it are leafpad and netsurf though
2010-06-14 05:50 <calamarz> has someone seen scummvm working on NN?
2010-06-14 05:59 <kyak> tuxbrain: http://bas.ath.cx:81/Makefile_ne <- a recipy for ne :)
2010-06-14 05:59 <kyak> tuxbrain: http://bas.ath.cx:81/ne_2.1-1_xburst.ipk <- and a package
2010-06-14 06:11 <tuxbrain> calamarz: I think zear have make it working , just using the dingux one, rafa the scummvm on the Jlime repos complains about "WARNING: SDL_SetVideoMode says we can't switch to that mode (No video mode large enough for 640x400)!"
2010-06-14 06:11 <tuxbrain> calamarz:on openwrt
2010-06-14 06:13 <tuxbrain> kyak wonderfull :) I'm drafting a community news on the nanohacks forum, this is one more item :)
2010-06-14 06:15 <kyak> tuxbrain: good! it would be nice to put the Makefile somewhere else, because my Internet sucks these days
2010-06-14 06:17 <kyak> xdpirate: hi! would you mind to test the ne package?
2010-06-14 06:19 <tuxbrain> kyak:http://www.tuxbrain.org/downloads/nanonote/mutroxports/editors/ne/Makefile
2010-06-14 06:20 <kyak> tuxbrain: beautiful, thanks! :)
2010-06-14 06:20 <tuxbrain> kyak:http://www.tuxbrain.org/downloads/nanonote/packages/ne_2.1-1_xburst.ipk
2010-06-14 06:21 <kyak> xdpirate: the last link is for you to test :)
2010-06-14 06:21 <xdpirate> kyak, sure i'll give it a go
2010-06-14 06:24 <calamarz> tuxbrain: yep, the deb complains about the same thing... i was looking in the sources and don't know why, but is seems to be initializing video to 2x by default :/
2010-06-14 06:25 <tuxbrain> well the good news is is simplier to change 2x->1x than 1x->1/2x :P
2010-06-14 06:26 <xdpirate> kyak, it doesn't work, i think it needs to be ported properly, ncurses basically isn't doing it's job, interface looks mangled and moves around =/
2010-06-14 06:29 <kyak> xdpirate: hm, okay.. i'm flashing my Ben now to check it
2010-06-14 06:30 <xdpirate> kyak, mkay :P
2010-06-14 06:30 <kyak> xdpirate: has the first version (the one compiled "by hands") worked fine?
2010-06-14 06:30 <xdpirate> it had the same problems
2010-06-14 06:30 <xdpirate> tho i didn't notice it straight away
2010-06-14 06:31 <kyak> ok, i have some thoughts, need to check it
2010-06-14 06:37 <kyak> xdpirate: btw, as a quick fix, ctrl+L "unmangles" the interface :)
2010-06-14 06:41 <kyak> xdpirate: another quick fix is to run it in "screen" with "ne --no-ansi"
2010-06-14 06:41 <xdpirate> kyak, run it in "screen"?
2010-06-14 06:42 <kyak> just run "screen" before running ne
2010-06-14 06:42 <xdpirate> hm ok
2010-06-14 06:42 <xdpirate> i'll test
2010-06-14 06:42 <kyak> www.gnu.org/software/screen/
2010-06-14 06:43 <tuxbrain> :) :) :) scummvm started on jlime :) :) :) (so I supose in debian also)
2010-06-14 06:43 <tuxbrain> scummvm -g1x
2010-06-14 06:48 <tuxbrain> calamarz: man we need that keybmouse working....
2010-06-14 06:49 <xdpirate> should be able to enable/disable it with a keycombo tho
2010-06-14 06:50 <xdpirate> so you can actually use the arrow keys whilst it's running
2010-06-14 06:50 <tuxbrain> or use red arrow+arrow keys to mouse function
2010-06-14 06:51 <tuxbrain> also red arrow+enter to click
2010-06-14 06:51 <tuxbrain> and red arrow+qi key to right click
2010-06-14 06:51 <xdpirate> qi key returns 0 so it might not be usable tbh
2010-06-14 06:51 <xdpirate> the power-key returns 0 aswell
2010-06-14 06:52 <xdpirate> it's a null key =(
2010-06-14 06:52 <xdpirate> M and = would work
2010-06-14 06:52 <xdpirate> you have a mini-mouse
2010-06-14 06:52 <xdpirate> cos M and = are straight above the arrows :P
2010-06-14 06:52 <xdpirate> M left and = right :D
2010-06-14 06:52 <tuxbrain> damn it, so red arrow +M=>
2010-06-14 06:53 <kyak> xdpirate: i just copied the /etc/termcap from my desktop to Ben and ne interface is ok! you should still run it with --no-ansi, or wait a bit for an updated version.. I think ne should be made dependant on termcap database. But there is no such package, so I'll have to create it
2010-06-14 06:53 <tuxbrain>  I prefere to asing keys without already red arrow key correspondence
2010-06-14 06:55 <xdpirate> kyak, yeah it works perfectly with --no-ansi
2010-06-14 06:56 <xdpirate> made a few screenshots
2010-06-14 06:56 <kyak> xdpirate: even without a /etc/termcap? or you run it in screen?
2010-06-14 06:57 <xdpirate> in screen
2010-06-14 06:57 <xdpirate> anyone got an ftp server working? easier to transmit files
2010-06-14 07:00 <kyak> xdpirate: damn :) the syntax highlighting is broken with --no-ansi!
2010-06-14 07:00 <calamarz> tuxbrain: yep, it does :) I guess I won't have much time until next weekend... the only thing needed to have keymouse working is to compile uinput kernel module
2010-06-14 07:01 <xdpirate> kyak, aw :( x]
2010-06-14 07:02 <tuxbrain> you already have a Makefile for keymouse?
2010-06-14 07:02 <calamarz> http://opkg-repo.org/opkg/kernel-module-uinput
2010-06-14 07:03 <calamarz> just compiled keymouse in debian with autotools
2010-06-14 07:04 <xdpirate> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7046011/ne01.png
2010-06-14 07:04 <xdpirate> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7046011/ne02.png
2010-06-14 07:04 <xdpirate> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7046011/ne03.png
2010-06-14 07:04 <zear> tuxbrain, try dingoo's scummvm port
2010-06-14 07:05 <zear> works on the nanonote and has mouse emulation
2010-06-14 07:05 <calamarz> zear: that sounds great :)
2010-06-14 07:05 <kyak> xdpirate: lol :)
2010-06-14 07:05 <xdpirate> ;D
2010-06-14 07:06 <xdpirate> zear, which of the scummvm versions? the static build or the newer dynamic one? the static build (older, but works best on my dingoo) fails, will just lock up after a while
2010-06-14 07:07 <zear> xdpirate, doesn't matter once you copy the dingux libs
2010-06-14 07:07 <zear> oh? well, i never played it for a longer time
2010-06-14 07:07 <zear> just for a minute to check if it works
2010-06-14 07:07 <xdpirate> zear, which dingux libs? i copied sdlmixer and libmad, i tried copying over other sdl libs earlier but sdl stopped working and i had to reflash
2010-06-14 07:08 <tuxbrain> zear: I'm using jlime , and if we succed in port the keymouse then any aplication can use mouse without mouse emulation... better said, mouse emulation will be embedded on system
2010-06-14 07:08 <zear> xdpirate, whatever scummvm crashes on ;)
2010-06-14 07:08 <xdpirate> it loads and seems to be working fine but decides to be a whore when i press a key lol
2010-06-14 07:09 <xdpirate> zear, i'm using this: http://dl.openhandhelds.org/cgi-bin/dingoo.cgi?0,0,0,0,20,100
2010-06-14 07:09 <xdpirate> there's also this available: http://dl.openhandhelds.org/cgi-bin/dingoo.cgi?0,0,0,0,20,276
2010-06-14 07:10 <xdpirate> yup, just tested, stops working on any keypress
2010-06-14 07:10 <xdpirate> i'll try the other one tho
2010-06-14 07:12 <xdpirate> Coming soon to a NanoNote near you: BlueCube4D (Tetris-clone) - http://www.qqmore.info/?p=56
2010-06-14 07:14 <xdpirate> btw kyak i need to run it with both screen and --no-ansi for ne to show up correctly
2010-06-14 07:18 <kyak> xdpirate: yeah, i know.. but the --no-ansi can be dropped if ne is compiled a bit differently
2010-06-14 07:18 <kyak> but ok, i'm trying to figure out how to do it without the screen
2010-06-14 07:19 <kyak> though screen is my preferable terminal
2010-06-14 07:21 <xdpirate> :P
2010-06-14 07:21 <xdpirate> zear, neither scummvm build works
2010-06-14 07:21 <xdpirate> zear, locks up the nn on key press
2010-06-14 07:43 <xdpirate> I built these two programs for the NanoNote several days ago, but forgot to actually release them
2010-06-14 07:43 <xdpirate> http://www.qqmore.info/?p=60
2010-06-14 07:43 <kyak> xdpirate: could you please check: after starting of ne (not in screen, without --no-ansi), press Ctrl+L. Now the syntax highlighting works and the interface is not mangled
2010-06-14 07:43 <xdpirate> ok sec
2010-06-14 07:44 <xdpirate> yup but extras menu will not show completely and will wrap to the left side of the screen
2010-06-14 07:44 <xdpirate> except for that, everything seems to be in working order
2010-06-14 07:45 <xdpirate> Btw I thought I'd spam this a little more: We have a discussion forum now, over at Dingoonity, feel free to talk about anything NanoNote related here: http://boards.dingoonity.org/ben-nanonote/
2010-06-14 07:46 <kyak> well ok, the extras menu won't fit on Ben's screen (both in width and height) - how do you suppose it should be displayed? :)
2010-06-14 07:47 <xdpirate> I have no idea ;)
2010-06-14 07:47 <kyak> me too :)
2010-06-14 07:48 <xdpirate> if possible, just push it to the left so all elements are displayed, doesn't need to be lined up with the toplevel menu item
2010-06-14 07:49 <xdpirate> dividing it up in submenus could work height-wise
2010-06-14 07:50 <zear> xdpirate, then don't touch unmapped keys ;P
2010-06-14 07:50 <zear> just the ones dingoo uses
2010-06-14 07:50 <xdpirate> zear, ._.
2010-06-14 07:50 <xdpirate> thing is, they work in scummvm menu
2010-06-14 07:50 <xdpirate> for entering names of games etc
2010-06-14 07:50 <xdpirate> but not when running
2010-06-14 07:51 <xdpirate> that's bad programming too, your program shouldn't lock up if an unknown keycode is entered, it should ignore it =/
2010-06-14 07:53 <kyak> xdpirate: the conclusion: ne is just not designed for such small terminals :) using it via ssh ok, though
2010-06-14 07:53 <xdpirate> hehe, true, it works perfectly if you just disregard the extras menu though
2010-06-14 07:54 <xdpirate> zear, another dingux rerelease for nanonote - http://www.qqmore.info/?p=60 :)
2010-06-14 07:55 <zear> :D
2010-06-14 07:55 <zear> that can come in handy sometimes
2010-06-14 07:56 <xdpirate> yeah adds to the 'pda'-aspect of the nn :P
2010-06-14 08:00 <xdpirate> I'm going to learn ncurses soon, just cos it's awesome
2010-06-14 08:00 <xdpirate> maybe create an ncurses shell for dex
2010-06-14 08:04 <tuxbrain> xdpirate: thanks for the Key codes!!!
2010-06-14 08:09 <xdpirate> tuxbrain, no problem mate, i thought it'd be very useful and i couldn't find any documentation on them yet :)
2010-06-14 08:10 <xdpirate> tuxbrain, also added them to the wiki here: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Key_codes
2010-06-14 08:43 <xdpirate> wolfspraul, the qi-logo link when browsing the downloads subdomain has a broken link, it leads to http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Main_Page, which 404s because it should be http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Main_Page :)
2010-06-14 09:19 <kristianpaul> great cuts
2010-06-14 09:19 <kristianpaul> ops
2010-06-14 09:27 <wolfspraul> xdpirate: hey :-) thanks for the heads up
2010-06-14 09:27 <xdpirate> wolfspraul, nps :P
2010-06-14 09:27 <wolfspraul> that's a symbol of our (so-far) failed attempt at world domination
2010-06-14 09:27 <wolfspraul> en. subdomains like wikipedia... :-)
2010-06-14 09:28 <wolfspraul> I cannot immediately find the root cause, added to my TODO list and will look at it asap
2010-06-14 09:28 <wolfspraul> anything like this you see, please let me know
2010-06-14 09:34 <xdpirate> I just released my BlueCube (nice looking tetris-clone) port to NanoNote, check it out here: http://www.qqmore.info/?p=64
2010-06-14 10:09 <xdpirate> :) http://www.qqmore.info/?p=68
2010-06-14 10:10 <zear> haha, upload it to the wiki :D
2010-06-14 10:11 <xiangfu> :)
2010-06-14 10:12 <xdpirate> :P
2010-06-14 10:45 <xakh> so, JLiMe?
2010-06-14 10:45 <xakh> in a nutshell, what is it?
2010-06-14 10:49 <xakh> is it a different distro, like OpenWRT or Debian, or is it an add on to OpenWRT?
2010-06-14 10:50 <xakh> zear: ping
2010-06-14 10:50 <zear> xakh, it's a different distro
2010-06-14 10:51 <xakh> ah, thanks man.
2010-06-14 10:51 <xakh> is it good?
2010-06-14 10:51 <zear> has it's roots in jornada 6xx/7xx series devices
2010-06-14 10:51 <xakh> hm, I've never used any of those.
2010-06-14 10:51 <zear> well, i only tested it yesterday, but i has a couple thousands of packages already
2010-06-14 10:51 <xakh> how's it run on the nano?
2010-06-14 10:51 <zear> including X11
2010-06-14 10:51 <xakh> wow
2010-06-14 10:51 <xakh> so, what WM does it have currently?
2010-06-14 10:51 <zear> whatever you install on it
2010-06-14 10:51 <zear> it comes with no X11
2010-06-14 10:52 <xakh> hmm
2010-06-14 10:52 <zear> you have to download the right packages from opkg yourself
2010-06-14 10:52 <xakh> ah
2010-06-14 10:52 <xakh> that means I have to piggyback again?
2010-06-14 10:52 <zear> i've seen someone running icewm on it
2010-06-14 10:52 <xakh> nice!
2010-06-14 10:52 <zear> what you mean by 'piggyback'?
2010-06-14 10:52 <xakh> usb to eth
2010-06-14 10:52 <zear> ah, yes you have
2010-06-14 10:53 <xakh> hm
2010-06-14 10:53 <zear> there's of course no mouse emulation in X11 yet
2010-06-14 10:53 <xakh> is there any way I could download them, and just transfer them manually to my microsd card?
2010-06-14 10:53 <xakh> oh! I have an idea for that!
2010-06-14 10:53 <zear> yep, you can just download them manually, put them on a card and invoke the right command to install them
2010-06-14 10:54 <xakh> haha! I was talking about it with someone yesterday!
2010-06-14 10:54 <xakh> nice.
2010-06-14 10:54 <xakh> so, I had this idea.
2010-06-14 10:54 <xakh> what if we treat the cursor buttons like we treat a joystick?
2010-06-14 10:54 <zear> the 4-way button is not an analog
2010-06-14 10:54 <xakh> true, but it can behave like one.
2010-06-14 10:55 <zear> well, not really because it has only two states
2010-06-14 10:55 <zear> pressed and not pressed
2010-06-14 10:55 <xakh> true, but if we set one to be mid pressure and the other to be no pressure
2010-06-14 10:55 <xakh> make it treat it like a faulty joystick
2010-06-14 10:55 <zear> hmm.. i don't really see it
2010-06-14 10:55 <xakh> then use the volume buttons (or any other two buttons) to mimic the mouse presses
2010-06-14 10:55 <xakh> really?
2010-06-14 10:56 <xakh> I guess joystick was the wrong word
2010-06-14 10:56 <xakh> we just trick it into thinking that the arrows are a gamepad
2010-06-14 10:56 <zear> i get your idea, but it's just a way around
2010-06-14 10:56 <zear> you want it to be: keyboard > joystick > mouse
2010-06-14 10:57 <zear> and we can just make it keyboard > mouse
2010-06-14 10:57 <zear> and it will be simpler
2010-06-14 10:57 <xakh> hm
2010-06-14 10:57 <xakh> well, I'm just saying, the cursor keys can be made the mouse
2010-06-14 10:57 <zear> yeah, that's what we plan to do ;)
2010-06-14 10:58 <xakh> alright, sorry, takes me a while to catch on to the big plans sometimes ;)
2010-06-14 10:58 <xakh> so I dug through old archives of light window managers
2010-06-14 10:58 <xakh> and I found this
2010-06-14 10:58 <xakh> http://nickgravgaard.com/windowlab/
2010-06-14 10:58 <urandom_> the NanoNote really needs some kind of a trackpoint, this cursor keys as mouse thing doesnt sound like much fun :(
2010-06-14 10:59 <xakh> I've used it on a smartphone like that
2010-06-14 10:59 <xakh> you'd be surprised, it's quite easy
2010-06-14 10:59 <xakh> the ya will have something a bit better though, eh?
2010-06-14 11:00 <urandom_> something better?
2010-06-14 11:01 <xakh> well, the ya, the next version
2010-06-14 11:01 <xakh> I'd think we could go with a small trackpad, or a ball?
2010-06-14 11:02 <emeb> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9308
2010-06-14 11:03 <urandom_> currently it seems like they will keep the current design and just add usb host, more ram and slowfi
2010-06-14 11:03 <xakh> Bingo!
2010-06-14 11:03 <xakh> hmm.
2010-06-14 11:03 <xakh> lol, slowfi?
2010-06-14 11:03 <xakh> I thought they'd be adding a ball module.
2010-06-14 11:04 <urandom_> a ball module?
2010-06-14 11:05 <xakh> yeah
2010-06-14 11:05 <xakh> like this one
2010-06-14 11:05 <xakh> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9320
2010-06-14 11:06 <xakh> like a little piece that'd be our mouse.
2010-06-14 11:06 <xakh> if not, anyone got ideas on turning that one into a tiny usb mouse?
2010-06-14 11:06 <zear> xakh, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhCoCciVicY
2010-06-14 11:06 <urandom_> slowfi is HopeRF module
2010-06-14 11:06 <xakh> HOLY CRAP.
2010-06-14 11:06 <zear> it looks pretty well so far
2010-06-14 11:07 <xakh> that's nothing short of amazing.
2010-06-14 11:07 <xakh> seriously. bravo guys.
2010-06-14 11:07 <xakh> hey
2010-06-14 11:08 <xakh> but if someone can get me instructions for making a super tiny mouse we can attach to the nano
2010-06-14 11:08 <urandom_> xakh i really hope they will add this trackball to the Ya, would be really importand for me but well they have to keep the price low and all
2010-06-14 11:08 <xakh> true
2010-06-14 11:08 <xakh> But!
2010-06-14 11:08 <xakh> okay, bear with me.
2010-06-14 11:08 <xakh> what if we just take this breakout
2010-06-14 11:08 <xakh> and design a tiny mouse, that hooks on to the nano
2010-06-14 11:08 <xakh> if you guys provide me instructions, I'll be happy to donate a few of them to the project, pro bono
2010-06-14 11:09 <xakh> so, game of good idea bad idea.
2010-06-14 11:09 <xakh> what do you guys think?
2010-06-14 11:10 <urandom_> good idea but how do you want to connect it with the ben?
2010-06-14 11:10 <xakh> well
2010-06-14 11:10 <xakh> now that's where my experience with phone hackers comes in handy!
2010-06-14 11:10 <xakh> gimme just one second.
2010-06-14 11:11 <xakh> http://adq.livejournal.com/95689.html?view=120777
2010-06-14 11:11 <xakh> the HTC hero uses a port that's aesthetically different than the one we use
2010-06-14 11:11 <xakh> but, and I know from experience
2010-06-14 11:11 <xakh> is fully compatible with our
2010-06-14 11:11 <xakh> s
2010-06-14 11:11 <xakh> in other words
2010-06-14 11:12 <xakh> hacks that have to do with an HTC phone's USB will affect the nano in a similar way.
2010-06-14 11:12 <xakh> this gives full USB host to a non host port.
2010-06-14 11:12 <xakh> obviously that's a pretty Q&D way to get it going
2010-06-14 11:13 <urandom_> omg this is awesome shit
2010-06-14 11:13 <xakh> but I bet we can put our heads together and make that look nice and tidy
2010-06-14 11:13 <xakh> when you combine my experience hanging out all day on the net with a problem, chances are I can find something to work with
2010-06-14 11:14 <xakh> if you get USB host, you're only getting one 2.0 port, obviously, and hubbing it means no power to any of them
2010-06-14 11:14 <xakh> so ya gotta make it count, eh?
2010-06-14 11:16 <xakh> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9032
2010-06-14 11:16 <xakh> I think we should use this as the nano mouse.
2010-06-14 11:16 <xakh> clickable analog
2010-06-14 11:16 <xakh> fits better with the power of computing in your thumbs we try for here, eh?
2010-06-14 11:16 <xakh>  oh wait!
2010-06-14 11:17 <xakh> I found our part.
2010-06-14 11:17 <xakh> the mouse we need.
2010-06-14 11:17 <xakh> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9426
2010-06-14 11:17 <xakh> feast your eyes.
2010-06-14 11:18 <xakh> well? what do you guys think?
2010-06-14 11:19 <urandom_> well would be so awesome if this would work out
2010-06-14 11:19 <xakh> well, in theory, it's all good.
2010-06-14 11:20 <xakh> all you have to do is hook it up to a USB port, since it has 4 pins, just like USB
2010-06-14 11:20 <xakh> then you just train X11 to recognize it as a joystick
2010-06-14 11:20 <xakh> and it'll let you use it as a cursor
2010-06-14 11:21 <xakh> and if you have host from the adapter, then it's all good!
2010-06-14 11:22 <xakh> it'll probably be buggy and a bit slow at first
2010-06-14 11:22 <xakh> but you'll get the hang of it.
2010-06-14 11:23 <xakh> tuxbrain: ping
2010-06-14 11:23 <urandom_> shit i have to go now, keep up the got ideas!
2010-06-14 11:23 <xakh> okay, will do
2010-06-14 11:23 <tuxbrain> ping
2010-06-14 11:24 <xakh> fantastic.
2010-06-14 11:24 <xakh> http://adq.livejournal.com/95689.html?view=120777
2010-06-14 11:24 <xakh> so I found this hack.
2010-06-14 11:24 <xakh> the HTC hero and the NanoNote are hardware identical on miniusb.
2010-06-14 11:25 <xakh> so, the host mode hack worked there, plausible on NN?
2010-06-14 11:28 <tuxbrain> no, most of movile devices has Usb on the go chip, but only usb gadget on it, the case of HTC hero, but in our case we have a pure usb device chip, so I'm sorry  but no way
2010-06-14 11:28 <xakh> dang!
2010-06-14 11:29 <xakh> hm.
2010-06-14 11:29 <xakh> I was really hoping I'd figured it out.
2010-06-14 11:29 <tuxbrain> when I mean usb gadget on it I refering to drivers, so is software matter, in our case is totally hardware
2010-06-14 11:29 <xakh> how about a microsd adapter'?
2010-06-14 11:29 <xakh> ah
2010-06-14 11:29 <xakh> well, what of microsd
2010-06-14 11:30 <xakh> I know there's a wifi card with it
2010-06-14 11:31 <xakh> well
2010-06-14 11:31 <xakh> another question
2010-06-14 11:31 <tuxbrain> in theory posible but you ned to find one vendor doing so, AFAIK I only knew one that  had made something similar but in a Compact Flash  USB host , but I have no see neither a SD version
2010-06-14 11:31 <xakh> http://lxde.org/
2010-06-14 11:31 <xakh> hmm.
2010-06-14 11:31 <xakh> so!
2010-06-14 11:31 <xakh> this.
2010-06-14 11:32 <xakh> light enough for NN?
2010-06-14 11:32 <tuxbrain> don't know :) have you tried it?
2010-06-14 11:32 <xakh> I know it'll be pushing it.
2010-06-14 11:32 <xakh> nope, I haven't gotten enough time to myself with parts enough to make something for a while
2010-06-14 11:32 <tuxbrain> I think the main issue will be screen resolution
2010-06-14 11:33 <xakh> definitely.
2010-06-14 11:34 <xakh> however, I think that with LXDE's small panels, and openbox's tiny decorations
2010-06-14 11:34 <xakh> it has a chance at becoming something good
2010-06-14 11:34 <xakh> I also found this
2010-06-14 11:34 <xakh> http://nickgravgaard.com/windowlab/
2010-06-14 11:35 <xakh> took digging to find something this small
2010-06-14 11:38 <xakh> Anyway, this thing could easily get a leafpad port, right?
2010-06-14 11:38 <xakh> oh, and I heard something about not reflashing to install jlime?
2010-06-14 11:38 <tuxbrain> It's only my opinion, but I preffer the tinnier the better , icewm, ratpoison, and another lwm? from jlime era(I dont remember well the name) I think will fit better BNN X.org needs, also we try to tend to do "one thing at time" way of work  do BNN has it's limitations and I thing is better do one thing but at good speed .
2010-06-14 11:38 <tuxbrain> yes just format the sd, uncompress and go
2010-06-14 11:39 <xakh> hmm.
2010-06-14 11:39 <xakh> holy crap.
2010-06-14 11:39 <xakh> still
2010-06-14 11:39 <xakh> I love IceWM
2010-06-14 11:39 <xakh> but LXDE is OpenBox with a panel
2010-06-14 11:39 <tuxbrain> icewn is out of the box with jlime :)
2010-06-14 11:40 <xakh> really?!
2010-06-14 11:40 <xakh> so I can just startx, I don't have to install anything?
2010-06-14 11:40 <xakh> well, with a bunch of parameters
2010-06-14 11:40 <xakh> but I mean without mucking about in opkg
2010-06-14 11:40 <tuxbrain> not
2010-06-14 11:40 <tuxbrain> not mucking
2010-06-14 11:40 <xakh> ?
2010-06-14 11:40 <xakh> oh ok
2010-06-14 11:40 <xakh> great!
2010-06-14 11:40 <tuxbrain> the params to start x are in the jlime documetation
2010-06-14 11:40 <xakh> hmm.
2010-06-14 11:41 <xakh> need to get an empty microsd card now
2010-06-14 11:41 <xakh> hmm
2010-06-14 11:42 <xakh> now I'm worried though, that there won't be a good port of powder
2010-06-14 11:44 <xakh> (roguelike I play on my nn constantly, totally addicted)
2010-06-14 11:45 <tuxbrain> if it's already in OE(OpenEmbeded) that is very probable it's a really easy to port to Jlime, rafa are you listening? I'm a powder fan too!!!
2010-06-14 11:45 <tuxbrain> :)
2010-06-14 11:45 <xakh> yay!
2010-06-14 11:46 <xakh> everyone loves powder.
2010-06-14 11:46 <xakh> Tlosh forever!
2010-06-14 11:46 <xdpirate> powder on a gba emu :P
2010-06-14 11:46 <xdpirate> gpSP
2010-06-14 11:47 <xakh> lol
2010-06-14 11:47 <xakh> it works!
2010-06-14 11:47 <xakh> honestly, I don't know why I love it so much
2010-06-14 11:47 <xakh> just so easy to play
2010-06-14 11:48 <xakh> not easy to win
2010-06-14 11:48 <xakh> at all
2010-06-14 11:48 <xakh> I never make it past level 5, but I still love playing it
2010-06-14 11:49 <tuxbrain> powder is one of my top five reasons of procrastination
2010-06-14 11:49 <tuxbrain> :P
2010-06-14 11:49 <xakh> hell yes.
2010-06-14 11:50 <tuxbrain> just below this channel :P
2010-06-14 11:50 <xakh> I have literally dozens of games on my laptop
2010-06-14 11:50 <tuxbrain> must leave see ya
2010-06-14 11:50 <xakh> but I only have 3 on the nanonote
2010-06-14 11:50 <xakh> okay
2010-06-14 11:50 <xakh> see ya
2010-06-14 12:47 <rafa> xakh: I think that powder is not in OE repo, so it is not in jlime repo. BUUUT, zear is part of jlime project and I am sure that he will have a powder package for jlime extra-packages soon ;)
2010-06-14 12:48 <zear> xakh, there's the native powder port for the nn i made ;)
2010-06-14 12:48 <zear> xakh, here: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/zear/games/powder-nanonote-r1.tar.bz2
2010-06-14 12:49 <zear> oh, you already know that, for a second i though you were discussing powder via gba emu ;)
2010-06-14 12:50 <zear> xakh, get a wand of polymorph, transform to something badass and do a rush on lower levels ;)
2010-06-14 12:54 <xakh> wand of polymorph is my fav strategy
2010-06-14 12:57 <zear> :D
2010-06-14 12:57 <zear> you need to find a ring/amulet of unchanging as well
2010-06-14 12:58 <zear> and amulet of reflection/mirror shield, then you're immune to directional magic
2010-06-14 12:59 <zear> and when a monster stands by the wall, if you shoot with the wand of fire, for example, it will bounce off the wall, then your shield/amulet, then again of the wall and so on, striking the enemy several times in one turn
2010-06-14 12:59 <zear> a deadly strategy
2010-06-14 12:59 <xakh> indeed
2010-06-14 13:19 <nebajoth> sup
2010-06-14 15:36 <sdschulze> OK, I changed some patches in my OpenWRT tree.  Now how do I force it to repatch my kernel?
2010-06-14 15:37 <larsc> make target/{clean,install}
2010-06-14 15:38 <sdschulze> Ah, OK, so "target" refers to the kernel?
2010-06-14 15:39 <larsc> yes
2010-06-14 15:43 <sdschulze> ok, thanks
2010-06-14 15:43 <sdschulze> At least it compiles much faster than natively...
2010-06-14 15:44 <sdschulze> even on my 1.5 GHz i686 machine
2010-06-14 16:10 <xakh> hey, guys, where do I download the file to put jlime on my nano from SD?
2010-06-14 16:11 <xakh> zear: ping
2010-06-14 16:11 <zear> xakh, http://jlime.com/mw4/index.php/Jlime_Muffinman
2010-06-14 16:11 <xakh> sweet.
2010-06-14 16:11 <xakh> you are a king among men.
2010-06-14 16:11 <zear> not really, but rafa is ;)
2010-06-14 16:12 <xakh> so, does adduser work on this?
2010-06-14 16:13 <xakh> and, is SLiM in the repos?
2010-06-14 16:15 <zear> no idea :D
2010-06-14 16:15 <xakh> ok
2010-06-14 16:15 <zear> i just tried jlime yesterday
2010-06-14 16:16 <xakh> so, can I run this all from SD, like, I partition it, then boot from SD, and it's good to go?
2010-06-14 16:16 <zear> yes
2010-06-14 16:16 <zear> that's it
2010-06-14 16:16 <xakh> fantastic.
2010-06-14 16:16 <xakh> is there any way you guys can make an ISO?
2010-06-14 16:16 <zear> no need to put nanonote into usb boot mode, unless your bootloader is so old, it doesn't support booting from sd card
2010-06-14 16:16 <xakh> okay, cool, I flashed it in early june, so it should be fine right?
2010-06-14 16:16 <zear> well.. you can't make isos of sd cards because each card has a different size
2010-06-14 16:17 <xakh> oh yeah
2010-06-14 16:17 <zear> it's not like cds that have 700MB
2010-06-14 16:17 <xakh> lol, sorry, not that bright some times.
2010-06-14 16:17 <zear> ;)
2010-06-14 16:17 <zear> i think you could do something like that, but if you had a card bigger than the iso, the rest of it would be unused
2010-06-14 16:18 <xakh> also, is this going to be like a live session, or am I going to be installing this over my onboard memory?
2010-06-14 16:18 <zear> well, it's nothing like live, because live is meant to run off nand (because cd is read only)
2010-06-14 16:18 <xakh> sorry, I'm going to be getting on a plane soon so I need to memorize stuff
2010-06-14 16:18 <zear> jlime runs off sd card, where you can write and read to
2010-06-14 16:18 <xakh> fantastic.
2010-06-14 16:18 <zear> so it's a normal linux, just booted from sd
2010-06-14 16:19 <xakh> you guys are flat out amazing.
2010-06-14 16:19 <zear> *live is meant to run off ram of course, sorry for that mistake
2010-06-14 16:19 <xakh> ah
2010-06-14 16:19 <xakh> again, you guys never cease to amaze.
2010-06-14 16:19 <xakh> what's the shortcut to boot from SD?
2010-06-14 16:20 <zear> it puts all the stuff into ram, and that's why live cds are usually slower than linux installed on hdd
2010-06-14 16:20 <xakh> right, I know, but that's okay
2010-06-14 16:20 <zear> but jlime is nothing like that, and it even has a 32MB swap disk
2010-06-14 16:20 <xakh> oh
2010-06-14 16:20 <xakh> wow.
2010-06-14 16:20 <xakh> again
2010-06-14 16:20 <xakh> you guys are awesome
2010-06-14 16:20 <xakh> so it just runs from the SD like the SD is the hd
2010-06-14 16:20 <xakh> genius.
2010-06-14 16:21 <zear> well, actually it can be even 16GB of swap, it's up to you how big you'll make it, but i think 32MB is enough
2010-06-14 16:21 <xakh> anyway, what's the shortcut to boot from SD?
2010-06-14 16:21 <zear> [m]+[power]
2010-06-14 16:21 <xakh> I was thinking I'd make it 128MB, give me some space while not killing my storage
2010-06-14 16:21 <xakh> perfect!
2010-06-14 16:21 <xakh> okay, thanks so much guys
2010-06-14 16:21 <xakh> gotta go
2010-06-14 16:21 <zear> no prob
2010-06-14 17:39 <emeb> just tried out jlime on SD - cool stuff.
2010-06-14 17:40 <emeb> must say that font is tiny (and jaggie due to the TV-style pixels)
2010-06-14 17:51 <zear> yep
2010-06-14 17:52 <zear> but check out icewm
2010-06-14 18:36 <rafa> emeb: if you have network in jlime you can install fbterm :  opkg install http://jlime.com/downloads/repository/extra-packages/nanonote/fbterm_1.6_mipsel.ipk
2010-06-14 18:36 <rafa> and run it from console with : fbterm.sh
2010-06-14 18:36 <rafa> you will have a better shell with bigger fonts.
2010-06-14 18:43 <emeb> rafa: thanks - I'll give it a try.
2010-06-14 21:04 <calamarz> tuxbrain_away: aaaargh... I was falling again in the tab/spaces trap in this very moments :p
2010-06-14 21:34 <calamarz> =
2010-06-14 21:35 <calamarz> (that was a keystroke in the dark XD)
2010-06-14 23:33 <Necrosporus> http://www.slashgear.com/acorp-em501r-super-cheap-android-mid-gets-video-demo-1189408/ How would you concurrent with that?
2010-06-14 23:42 <Necrosporus> Maybe NanoNote still better because of copyleft, command line access and keyboard
2010-06-14 23:43 <urandom_> concurrent?
2010-06-14 23:45 <urandom_> Acorp EM501R is not open hardware so not interesting
2010-06-14 23:46 <urandom_> and i personaly dont like the tablet stuff