2010-06-12 00:02 ah, thanks 2010-06-12 00:02 :D 2010-06-12 00:07 xdpirate isnt there any on screen keyboard for the dingoo so you could make a port of the dex for it without much work? 2010-06-12 00:07 urandom_, basically, nope 2010-06-12 00:08 no virtual keyboard to control the terminal 2010-06-12 00:08 atleast not yet 2010-06-12 00:08 I made some tries at making one, but when i pushed events, anything that wasn't mapped to a dingoo button just got eaten... 2010-06-12 00:09 never did figure out where, best guess was the keyboard driver itself. 2010-06-12 00:09 wow that is really ... poor 2010-06-12 00:10 theres a reason opendingux heavily uses patches from NN's openwrt :P 2010-06-12 00:10 (opendingux != dingux) 2010-06-12 00:11 yeah i already heared some talk about opendingux here 2010-06-12 00:12 wouldn't surprise me 2010-06-12 00:14 bah it doesn't work 2010-06-12 00:14 freakin sdl 2010-06-12 00:15 copied them over from the official image, now all sdl apps stop working after init and i have to turn it off 2010-06-12 00:16 i don't have to reflash everything just to reflash rootfs right? 2010-06-12 00:16 with a bit of luck yes 2010-06-12 00:18 sigh 2010-06-12 00:23 reflashing rootfs now, seems to be working 2010-06-12 00:23 i'm glad i keep all my stuff on the sd, because if i have to reflash several times a week, that'd be a pain :P 2010-06-12 00:29 oh great, i entered the wrong offset to start flashing 2010-06-12 00:29 the kernel was overwritten, epic 2010-06-12 00:48 Is there any way to disable the "Please wait while the graphical environment is loading" message? 2010-06-12 00:48 and just go straight into a console 2010-06-12 00:48 i already disabled the gmenu2x autostart in /etc/rc.d/S99start 2010-06-12 01:18 studying the NN schematic - notice that there's an unpopulated footprint @ U11 2010-06-12 01:19 labled 'SCIC' in the schematic, it's got two lines to the JZ that look like I2C clk/data. 2010-06-12 01:25 new jlime development version to test. New kernel and rootfs. jlime.com, for braves :) 2010-06-12 01:31 What exactly do you call the red arrow key? 2010-06-12 01:31 what is jlime? 2010-06-12 01:31 xdpirate: redshift? 2010-06-12 01:31 :) 2010-06-12 01:31 lolk 2010-06-12 01:31 :P 2010-06-12 01:35 hm 2010-06-12 01:35 Textmode, maybe the red arrow button is alt gr? 2010-06-12 01:36 i'm led to think so, after all it has the same function on ps 2010-06-12 01:36 pcs* 2010-06-12 01:43 rafa: looks like jlime installs on the microSD & doesn't need to overwrite the NAND? 2010-06-12 01:47 err - belay that. looks like the SD card is used to flash the NAND. 2010-06-12 02:19 xdpirate: Hi, disable the "Please wait while the ..." is in BUSYBOX 2010-06-12 02:20 xdpirate: yes. the red arrow is AltGr. 2010-06-12 02:20 how do i disable it in busybox then? 2010-06-12 02:20 and thanks for the info on the altgr :) 2010-06-12 02:22 xdpirate: http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/openwrt-xburst/source/tree/xburst/package/busybox/patches/950-change-init-msg.patch 2010-06-12 02:23 ouch, i have to recompile it? 2010-06-12 02:25 Btw, emeb|mac and everyone else, this might help when developing in SDL for the NanoNote: http://www.qqmore.info/?p=52 2010-06-12 02:26 xdpirate: yes. 2010-06-12 02:45 xdpirate: cool 2010-06-12 05:22 i just do'nt understand.. i have libflac installed, why flac files are not visible in gmu? 2010-06-12 05:23 kyak, openwrt comes with a very outdated version of libFLAC which isn't supported by Gmu, you need a more recent version of libFLAC and then also need to build the Gmu FLAC decoder plugin 2010-06-12 05:24 wejp: is there any documentation regarding this? 2010-06-12 05:24 once the libFLAC of openwrt gets updated, I'll include the flac decoder plugin with the next Gmu release for the NanoNote 2010-06-12 05:24 documentation regarding what? 2010-06-12 05:25 how to "build the Gmu FLAC decoder plugin" with a "more recent version of libFLAC"? 2010-06-12 05:25 on how to build Gmu? yes, there is the BUILD.txt included where I explain how to build Gmu, but of course you need a toolchain for doing that 2010-06-12 05:26 but i do not explain how to build libFLAC itself 2010-06-12 05:27 the libFLAC that comes with openwrt is more than 5 years old, by the way 2010-06-12 05:27 i have the toolchain.. so in the best case i just update the libflac's Makefile to download the recent version? 2010-06-12 05:28 in the worst case, i'll never get it compiled 2010-06-12 05:28 yeah, you could try to do it that way 2010-06-12 05:28 because obviously if it was that easy it would have been done already 2010-06-12 05:28 once you've successfully built the newer libFLAC you can enable the flac decoder for gmu and compile that 2010-06-12 05:29 eh..// isn't the libflac.so the required plugin? 2010-06-12 05:29 compiling libFLAC isn't that difficult. i have no idea why openwrt comes with such an old libFLAC 2010-06-12 05:29 kyak, yes it is 2010-06-12 05:29 oh, you mean the one for gmu? it is called flac.so 2010-06-12 05:30 so once i get the recent version of libflac, i just have to "feed" it to gmu, right? 2010-06-12 05:30 and is located in Gmu's decoders directory 2010-06-12 05:30 like the other decoders 2010-06-12 05:30 you just need to have a recent version of libFLAC and then enable the flac decoder in GMu's configuration 2010-06-12 05:30 ok, this is what i thought. 2010-06-12 05:30 check the BUILD.txt for that. i've written that file for a reason 2010-06-12 05:31 will do, thanks ! 2010-06-12 05:31 that part is really simple 2010-06-12 05:41 wejp: what kind of format you prefer yourself? ogg? 2010-06-12 05:44 for portable devices with little space i like ogg very much, but flac is nice too. :) 2010-06-12 05:57 Mirko Vogt: remove mx2-target as it's not part of backfire and was accidently merged into openwrt-xburst http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/aa55195 2010-06-12 05:57 wonderfull.. {standard input}:209: Error: unrecognized opcode `xorl $16,$16' and 280 lines of patching for old version of libflac 2010-06-12 06:00 are there any recording programs for the nanonote? it's got a mic and all :) 2010-06-12 06:11 nvm, found out i can use arecord 2010-06-12 06:40 xdpirate: you here? my network is strange, just shoot your question 2010-06-12 06:41 I'll be back later... 2010-06-12 06:45 Is there a way to kill a hanging SDL application, when switching to another console with Ctrl+Alt+Fx doesn't work, or do I just have to reboot the unit? 2010-06-12 06:55 xdpirate: ssh. if ssh not work, I think have to reboot. 2010-06-12 06:55 xiangfu, mkay, thanks 2010-06-12 07:39 moglenstar/omgmog of #dingoonity just created a sub-forum for us on the Dingoonity Forums! 2010-06-12 07:39 http://boards.dingoonity.org/ben-nanonote/ 2010-06-12 07:51 xdpirate, that's nice :) 2010-06-12 07:52 That's very nice, we now have someplace to release applications and for discussion in general :) 2010-06-12 07:52 And it can help both scenes, NN developers may get interested in the Dingoo, and Dingoo developers may get interested in the NanoNote 2010-06-12 07:52 yeah, that was really missing before 2010-06-12 07:53 And all thanks to me, who convinced omgmog to create the board :D 2010-06-12 07:53 x] 2010-06-12 07:53 and most people don't like mailing lists, so those aren't a forum replacement 2010-06-12 07:57 what's the password for the nn's ssh? 2010-06-12 07:57 i've set my nn's password with passwd, but entering that doesn't work 2010-06-12 07:57 and my telnet connection gets refused 2010-06-12 08:01 Anyone? 2010-06-12 08:01 wejp? :P 2010-06-12 08:09 you should be able to set the password 2010-06-12 08:10 how? 2010-06-12 08:10 with passwd ;) 2010-06-12 08:10 yeah i've done that 2010-06-12 08:10 ssh doesn't accept it 2010-06-12 08:10 and when i try to ssh from my nanonote to my pc, it doesn't accept it either 2010-06-12 08:10 telnet just says "Login failed" 2010-06-12 08:10 hm, strange 2010-06-12 08:11 i'd rather use telnet tbh, there's no security issues when it's connected via usb 2010-06-12 08:11 yeah, true 2010-06-12 08:11 i also tried passwd -d root, to reset password, still can't ssh or telnet in 2010-06-12 08:13 xdpirate: Strange about the telnet. When I telnetted to my NN it just gave me a root shell as soon as I connected 2010-06-12 08:13 yes, it's done so to me aswell, until i set the password with passwd 2010-06-12 08:13 ah right 2010-06-12 08:14 but the password i set doesn't work when i try to ssh into it 2010-06-12 08:16 hello 2010-06-12 08:16 "Trying 192.168.254.101... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused" 2010-06-12 08:17 xdpirate: do you make "route add default gw 192.168.254.100" ? 2010-06-12 08:18 xdpirate: in ben nano of course! 2010-06-12 08:19 yes, didn't work 2010-06-12 08:19 first i got "No route to host" 2010-06-12 08:19 then after doing "ifconfig usb0 192.168.254.100", i got "Connection refused" again 2010-06-12 08:20 even tried "sudo route add default gw 192.168.254.101" on pc 2010-06-12 08:20 and SSH won't accept my password 2010-06-12 08:23 xdpirate: in ben nano "passwd root" and enter new password 2010-06-12 08:23 yes, i've tried that several times :P 2010-06-12 08:24 just get "Permission denied, please try again." on PC 2010-06-12 08:24 when entering the password 2010-06-12 08:25 xdpirate: perhap dont't forget difference between  "a" and "A" 2010-06-12 08:25 I know :) 2010-06-12 08:26 xdpirate: and i see i must take all procedures after ben nano rebbot... 2010-06-12 08:26 reboot 2010-06-12 08:28 because I don' have problem after procedures 2010-06-12 08:29 i've tried everything, even rebooting several times, i can't access it neither by telnet nor ssh 2010-06-12 08:30 i even swapped out the usb cable lol 2010-06-12 08:31 when i try to telnet to host pc from ben, i also get the "Connection refused" error 2010-06-12 08:31 same with ssh, it won't accept the password 2010-06-12 08:31 even though i'm positive it's corrept 2010-06-12 08:31 correct* 2010-06-12 08:32 xdpirate: configure iptable is correct ? 2010-06-12 08:32 i have no idea, i'll check in a sec when host is back, i'm rebooting it too 2010-06-12 08:35 xdpirate: Perhap can you forget one line of prcedure ? http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Ethernet_over_USB 2010-06-12 08:35 procedure 2010-06-12 08:41 nope, nothing works 2010-06-12 08:41 not telnet, not shh 2010-06-12 08:41 it just instantly closes the telnet connection, saying "login failed" 2010-06-12 08:50 Trying 192.168.254.101... 2010-06-12 08:50 Connected to 192.168.254.101. 2010-06-12 08:50 Escape character is '^]'. 2010-06-12 08:50 Login failed. 2010-06-12 08:50 Connection closed by foreign host. 2010-06-12 08:50 44 people and no one can help? =/ 2010-06-12 08:51 what's changed since you were getting connection refused? 2010-06-12 08:51 you've managed to make something better at least 2010-06-12 08:51 i reset the password 2010-06-12 08:51 still can't ssh or telnet =/ 2010-06-12 08:51 did passwd -d root 2010-06-12 08:52 before i set the password in the first place, everything worked fine 2010-06-12 08:52 if all the routing tables and interfaces look good, I'd be considering doing a tcpdump -i usb0 on the host PC and seeing what I could see 2010-06-12 08:52 is the password stored in a file somewhere, that i can just delete? 2010-06-12 08:52 or rather, a hash of the password 2010-06-12 08:55 xdpirate: What does ssh -v say? 2010-06-12 08:55 from host or nanonote? 2010-06-12 08:55 The way it doesn't work. ;-) 2010-06-12 08:55 xdpirate: A hash gets stored in /etc/passwd, naturally 2010-06-12 08:55 it doesn't work neither way 2010-06-12 08:56 before a password is set, the hash field is set to ! 2010-06-12 08:56 Sounds like a mismatch in host keys then.  But that doesn't bother telnet... 2010-06-12 08:56 shevek and it says OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-6ubuntu2, OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007 2010-06-12 08:57 (on the host 2010-06-12 08:57 xdpirate: I mean ssh -v $other_machine_ip 2010-06-12 08:57 oh 2010-06-12 08:57 It should be more verbose about what it's doing. 2010-06-12 08:58 i'll pastebin it 2010-06-12 08:58 Ok 2010-06-12 08:59 great, no internet on host now lol 2010-06-12 08:59 Isn't that the machine you're using for irc? 2010-06-12 09:00 nope 2010-06-12 09:00 Ok 2010-06-12 09:00 Windows PC and Linux PC 2010-06-12 09:00 xdpirate: Try setting the first line of /etc/passwd to this: root:!:root:/root:/bin/ash 2010-06-12 09:00 Otherwise I was pretty sure you had internet. ;-) 2010-06-12 09:00 with a bit of luck that will bring back telnet logon 2010-06-12 09:00 ;) 2010-06-12 09:00 arctanx, thanks I'll try 2010-06-12 09:00 sec 2010-06-12 09:00 note that setting a root passwd to nothing with the "passwd" command is _not_ the same as the no-password initial config, which is done by the line I just copied to you 2010-06-12 09:01 that could very well be the problem 2010-06-12 09:02 Actually, you need to remove the second field in /etc/shadow.  The field in /etc/passwd is completely ignored. 2010-06-12 09:02 mkay, it's set, rebooting nn (for good measure ;)) 2010-06-12 09:02 shevek: What version are you running? I don't have shadow passwords in the most recent openwrt build 2010-06-12 09:02 username vanished, prompt just says @BenNanoNote:/# now :P 2010-06-12 09:02 But ssh refuses to work without a password. 2010-06-12 09:02 meh i don't care about ssh tbh, as long as i can telnet in i'm content 2010-06-12 09:03 arctanx: Oh, that's possible, then it should work. ;-)  I have an old prototype and only today started trying to install the qi-hardware image on it.  So far I've only worked on my own kernel. 2010-06-12 09:03 xdpirate: For future reference, /etc/passwd is consulted every time it's needed, i.e. no reboot needed :) 2010-06-12 09:03 kk ^^ 2010-06-12 09:04 HAH 2010-06-12 09:04 resetting password worked 2010-06-12 09:04 i now got a telnet connection going 2010-06-12 09:04 Good 2010-06-12 09:04 makes sweet, sweet love to arctanx's face 2010-06-12 09:04 D: 2010-06-12 09:04 ... 2010-06-12 09:04 back to homework 2010-06-12 09:04 xdpirate: ssh is nice; it allows you to use sshfs and scp 2010-06-12 09:06 hm about that 2010-06-12 09:06 is there an ftp server available? 2010-06-12 09:06 ftp-ing files would be convenient 2010-06-12 09:06 also, 'root' vanished from console prompt, how do i bring it back? =P 2010-06-12 09:08 nevermind, that's not too important :) 2010-06-12 09:09 thanks alot for the help arctanx and shevek :) 2010-06-12 09:09 You're welcome.  I'm currently silent because I don't know the answers to your last questions. :-) 2010-06-12 09:10 hehe :P 2010-06-12 09:10 i tried adding another :root: in /etc/passwd (there was another in there from before), but it didn't help 2010-06-12 09:13 You should have only one line per uid and every name should appear only once.  Removing all the extra versions might get your name back. 2010-06-12 09:15 so "root:!:/root:/bin/ash"? 2010-06-12 09:16 Eh, do your entries have no numbers in them? 2010-06-12 09:16 the ones below does 2010-06-12 09:16 I expect something like "root:!:0:0:root:/root:/bin/ash 2010-06-12 09:16 : 2010-06-12 09:16 " 2010-06-12 09:16 oh 2010-06-12 09:16 without the newlines and without the trailing : ;-) 2010-06-12 09:17 That's what it looks like on my desktop, and AFAIK the format is the same everywhere 2010-06-12 09:17 But better make it look like other entries in the same file, than entries on some other machine. 2010-06-12 09:17 there we go, works :) 2010-06-12 09:17 thanks mate 2010-06-12 09:18 by the way, can you change the hostname? root@BenNanoNote, i'd like root@awesomebox or something :3 2010-06-12 09:18 Hostname is set with the "hostname" command, which must be run during the boot sequence.  I don't know have openwrt does it, but Debian gets it from /etc/hostname.  If that exists, changing it (and rebooting) probably works. 2010-06-12 09:19 awesome, thanks again! :D 2010-06-12 09:19 Otherwise, grep -ir hostname /etc/init.d and read the file which appearantly does the change. 2010-06-12 09:19 It's in /etc/config/system 2010-06-12 09:20 ah, there it is 2010-06-12 09:20 There's also no hostname command built in 2010-06-12 09:20 /etc/hostname didn't exist :P 2010-06-12 09:20 arctanx: Oh, how does it set it then? 2010-06-12 09:20 Beats me :P 2010-06-12 09:21 Perhaps it's possible to write it into some proc file... 2010-06-12 09:21 i set my hostname to pussymagnet 2010-06-12 09:21 hells yes 2010-06-12 09:22 shevek: Your intuition is correct :) /proc/sys/kernel/hostname 2010-06-12 09:25 pussymagnet is too cheesy 2010-06-12 09:25 help me think of a better name :3 2010-06-12 09:26 xdpirate: Ah, sorry, I just realised that I had accidentally deleted the :0:0 in that passwd line, which is why that username disappeared and how shevek fixed you up 2010-06-12 09:26 yeah, i figured :P 2010-06-12 09:26 nps 2010-06-12 09:29 http://boards.dingoonity.org/ben-nanonote/(release)-dex-v1-stable/ 2010-06-12 09:30 feel free to use that subforum for anything NN-related, it's the only forum we have D: (omgmog created it earlier today on request from me) 2010-06-12 09:32 Has anyone seen this error? Could not initialize SDL: Unable to open mouse 2010-06-12 09:33 I'm getting it at the moment from both gmenu2x and gmu 2010-06-12 09:33 arctanx, yes you must export SDL_NOMOUSE=1 2010-06-12 09:33 add it to /etc/profile 2010-06-12 09:34 xdpirate: Great stuff, thanks 2010-06-12 09:34 nps 2010-06-12 09:35 holy cow it plays music 2010-06-12 09:35 xD 2010-06-12 09:36 add decoder and lib from dingoo version and you have mp3 support 2010-06-12 09:36 Thanks but I'm not interested in mp3 2010-06-12 09:36 kk, assumed, seeing as it's the most popular music file format now-a-days :P 2010-06-12 09:36 Hmm it not only plays music but also blacks out my screen permanently *scratches head* 2010-06-12 09:37 hm, that's weird, i've never actually tried playing music with it yet 2010-06-12 09:37 just started it and got frustrated at the fact that i couldn't find out how to exit 2010-06-12 09:37 which i later discovered to be alt+enter 2010-06-12 09:37 That was using gmu 2010-06-12 09:37 For what it's worth, ctrl-alt-f4 enter halt enter got it to shut down cleanly 2010-06-12 09:38 And it's back to life once I fire it up again 2010-06-12 09:38 D: 2010-06-12 09:41 Far out this thing is potentially quite loud too 2010-06-12 09:43 can the usb device be put in host mode? 2010-06-12 09:43 nope 2010-06-12 09:44 calamarz: No; the chip has pins for usb host mode, but they are not connected to the outside. 2010-06-12 09:44 calamarz: The next version (Ya) will most likely have a micro-A connector for it (like newer mobile phones do). 2010-06-12 09:44 ok 2010-06-12 09:47 according to the wiki, the SAKC has the host mode available 2010-06-12 09:48 That's incorrect, AFAIK.  The SAKC uses the Jz4725, where the host pins are not coming out of the chip. 2010-06-12 09:48 connect the pins to the outside, ????, PROFIT 2010-06-12 09:52 xdpirate: If only it was so easy.  You would need to remove the chip from the PCB and do things there.  It's glued to it, and it's impossible to put it back and still have it working.  Building a new device (the Ya NanoNote) is the thing to do.  They do hope to make profit with it. ;-) 2010-06-12 09:54 Yeah, I'd buy it if it had a) USB Host and b) built-in wifi :) 2010-06-12 09:54 mmm and do you know if it could be possible to have the nn usb in device mode but without draining battery power from host? 2010-06-12 09:54 I'm thinking about coupling the ben with a freerunner I have... they seem a good couple 2010-06-12 09:54 don't think you can, it drains even when turned off, so i think that's hardware defined? 2010-06-12 09:55 calamarz: Hm, I don't know.  The power handling should then be set to not use the usb power...  Not sure if that's possible "normally", but what would certainly work is to create a custom cable with the red wire cut through. ;-) 2010-06-12 09:55 i'm not too big on hardware, software is more my field, so i could be way out, but when the device charges even when shut down, it's generally not a software issue 2010-06-12 09:56 i think they made it that way so you can use a usb to ac wallcharger 2010-06-12 09:56 atleast my wallcharger works great in charging it =) 2010-06-12 09:57 It's certainly a hardware issue, but there is some logic in the battery controller and I'm not sure what it's capable of.  I don't think it's capable of anything, actually.  I'm still trying to figure out how it is possible that the device knows how much power is left in it. 2010-06-12 09:59 xdpirate: That, and it saves a plug on the case.  The usb plug was needed anyway. 2010-06-12 09:59 yeah 2010-06-12 10:00 hum... now I recall that maybe I can controll it in the host side 2010-06-12 10:00 clustering small devices together for some cpu intensive tasks seems something funny :) 2010-06-12 10:06 to anyone that doesn't know about this yet: omgmog of Dingoonity created a forum for us to use, since we didn't have one. This might be good for both the Dingoo scene and NanoNote development, as Dingoo users might get interested in the NN by reading the board, and vice versa, NN developers getting Dingoos. Link: http://boards.dingoonity.org/ben-nanonote/ 2010-06-12 10:08 xdpirate: I doubt it will have wi-fi built in 2010-06-12 10:08 at least I won't build a device like that, but since we have copyleft hardware maybe others can... 2010-06-12 10:08 (especially if they think that will make it sell like crazy, he he) 2010-06-12 10:10 wolfspraul: why not building wifi buil-in? 2010-06-12 10:11 proprietary technology, distraction 2010-06-12 10:12 seems quite a few people like SlowFi instead, our name for the HopeRF modules (ISM RF, 125kbit/s) 2010-06-12 10:12 built in wifi would boost the sales tenfolds, guaranteed, everything is online these days 2010-06-12 10:12 that is great, then I'm sure someone else will do that 2010-06-12 10:13 wolfspraul: never heard about the hopeRF... 2010-06-12 10:13 but yes, I see your point 2010-06-12 10:13 yeah we need to learn more about it, there were quite a few discussions about it on the mailing list already 2010-06-12 10:14 we are not against wi-fi 2010-06-12 10:14 we spent a lot of time to get the Spectec SDW-823 to work 2010-06-12 10:14 we will definitely continue, but I doubt it will be built-in 2010-06-12 10:14 it will be external, microSD, USB Host, etc. 2010-06-12 10:15 built-in & integration should focus on free copyleft technology 2010-06-12 10:15 I'm a big wifi lover, specially due to some big autonomous wifi communities... but scared about how the 3G pay model has spread making the consumers wanting to be 24/7 connected 2010-06-12 10:15 oh sure 2010-06-12 10:15 there was a chance for wi-fi to be truly different, a few years ago 2010-06-12 10:15 but it's gone 2010-06-12 10:15 yep 2010-06-12 10:15 that was when people were excited about mesh and what not 2010-06-12 10:16 but it's over 2010-06-12 10:16 a friend of mine told me some funny stories about some place on india 2010-06-12 10:17 where the "wifi" is a guy in a motorbike that pass around village once in a week, and devices can "send" and "receive" stuff like mail on that ocassion :p 2010-06-12 10:17 niiiice! 2010-06-12 10:17 :-) 2010-06-12 10:17 I like those kinds of things, delay tolerant apps 2010-06-12 10:17 beautiful 2010-06-12 10:18 we're dreaming about trying similar things with some squatted rural communities in the mountains 2010-06-12 10:19 proxymity-devices that route packets in a f2f network... cyberpunk indeed :p 2010-06-12 10:20 wolfspraul: got a link for slowfi? all I find on the goog is music-related 2010-06-12 10:21 he :-) new name 2010-06-12 10:21 HopeRF RFM12B 2010-06-12 10:21 http://www.hoperf.com/rf_fsk/rfm22.htm ? 2010-06-12 10:22 those are the newer 22/23 modules 2010-06-12 10:22 got it - thanks 2010-06-12 10:22 for now some people check the 12b 2010-06-12 10:24 those are cute. Kinda like the TI CC* chips, or the Nordic stuff 2010-06-12 10:25 Looks like there's lots of activity in that part of the RF space lately 2010-06-12 10:26 correct, like TI CC and Nordic 2010-06-12 10:26 emeb|mac: we are still evaluating this, need to make sure you are included so we can get every bit of brainpower on this we can find 2010-06-12 10:27 sure 2010-06-12 10:27 I'm looking at some development w/ TI parts right now. 2010-06-12 10:27 interface is simple - just SPI. 2010-06-12 10:28 Interfacing on NN is a bit of an issue - not enough uncommitted GPIO. 2010-06-12 10:28 digging through the wiki last night I believe that I counted only 5 (?) unused GPIO 2010-06-12 10:28 enough for just one or two SPI devices - might be workable 2010-06-12 10:29 looks like one would have to do bit-bang SPI though - none of the HW SPI & I2C ports appear available. 2010-06-12 10:30 think you are right, need to improve this on Ya 2010-06-12 10:30 calling it a day here... 2010-06-12 10:30 Would be easy to free up some pins if the kbd scan drive lines were done w/ a simple decoder. 2010-06-12 10:31 wolfspraul: cool - gn 2010-06-12 10:31 emeb|mac: your ideas on how to improve the hardware are very much appreciated 2010-06-12 10:31 when we start working on Ya (the actual kicad files), do you think you can provide input/feedback/review/etc? 2010-06-12 10:31 that would be EXTREMELY valuable and if we can find actual contributors, we would definitely listen 2010-06-12 10:31 Sure - I'd be happy to. 2010-06-12 10:31 wow, great 2010-06-12 10:32 I do schem. reviews for others all the time. 2010-06-12 10:32 excellent! 2010-06-12 10:32 a bit ashamed of asking this, but... what distance range could these hoperf give? 2010-06-12 10:32 unclear 2010-06-12 10:32 depends on power, antenna design 2010-06-12 10:33 why ashamed? that's a very important question :-) 2010-06-12 10:33 as iPhone, etc demonstrate it's really dependent on how the antenna is oriented. 2010-06-12 10:33 doesn't work worth beans if you put it in a metal box. :) 2010-06-12 10:33 probably transfer speeds go down with distance 2010-06-12 10:33 all low-level related seems too arcane to me 2010-06-12 10:34 everything is low-level eventually... can't ignore it. 2010-06-12 10:34 (can hope someone else did it right) 2010-06-12 10:34 unable to translate specs to real-world measures most of the time :p 2010-06-12 10:34 emeb|mac: can you shoot me an email at wolfgang@sharism.cc ? I still keep track and follow up on some things by mail, sometimes loose track in irc... 2010-06-12 10:35 wolfspraul: yep - email is good for low bw stuff. 2010-06-12 10:35 calamarz: it will take time to really measure this 2010-06-12 10:35 it depends on a lot of things 2010-06-12 10:35 has RF equipment 2010-06-12 10:35 spectrum analyzer, siggen, etc. 2010-06-12 10:36 wolfspraul: email sent 2010-06-12 10:36 thx 2010-06-12 10:37 calamarz: to give you an idea, many car key openers use similar technology 2010-06-12 10:38 of course they need to transfer very little data, and also they probably reduce the range because you wouldn't want to accidentally open your car from 100m distance 2010-06-12 10:38 so together with lower power consumption they probably fine-tune it to work over about 20-30m, I'd say that's what I think most car keys can do? 2010-06-12 10:39 but if you design for distance, don't mind the power consumption, and design a good antenna, you can probably reach several hundred meters without obstacles 2010-06-12 10:39 so whatever, it will be anywhere from 10m to >100m I'd say. let's see what reality shows... 2010-06-12 10:40 that's about right. 2010-06-12 10:43 Hi, where can i find the cad files for the nanonote? 2010-06-12 10:45 cad files? care to elaborate? 2010-06-12 10:45 wolfspraul: it's unclear to me from the wiki - are the unused JZ pins bonded (ones marked as X or NC on schematic), or not even brought to the PCB? 2010-06-12 10:48 qwebirc37100: no cad files 2010-06-12 10:48 one of the areas that awaits being freed :-) 2010-06-12 10:49 emeb|mac: probably not brought to the PCB, I think one page lists all test points, i.e. everything that is at least brought to the PCB 2010-06-12 10:49 xdpirate: it would be cool if we had some 3D files of the case published 2010-06-12 10:49 wolfspraul: OK - I think I saw that page too. 2010-06-12 10:49 but unfortunately all those tools are proprietary, so we are not sure how to continue 2010-06-12 10:49 ah 2010-06-12 10:49 yeah 2010-06-12 10:49 NURBS, HeeksCAD, it's all not really usable for production 2010-06-12 10:50 we could do 3D scans and publish STEP files, or even proprietary Pro/E files, but then what? what would people do with them? 2010-06-12 10:50 so for now, there is just nothing :-) 2010-06-12 10:50 most valuable thing I want to free up next is production testing software 2010-06-12 10:51 the guys from Elphel showed me some pretty cool things, they are the only serious copyleft hardware company I know with GPL'ed production testing software 2010-06-12 10:51 hey does anyone know how to unlock a samsung b3410 i dont know what lock it has my kid changed the password now i cant see my music messages contacts ect it says phone password and i dont know it 2010-06-12 10:51 they basically run a HTTP server and PHP on their camera, and then script it like that from the host 2010-06-12 10:52 that looks like a cool and flexible testing system to me, so maybe we can try it that way for the Ya... 2010-06-12 10:52 out now guys, cya 2010-06-12 10:52 l8r 2010-06-12 10:52 l8ers 2010-06-12 10:53 any 1 know how to solve it pls? 2010-06-12 10:53 so how is nanonote open if the plans are not available? 2010-06-12 10:53 schematics are open 2010-06-12 10:53 software is open 2010-06-12 10:54 what do you want to do w/ the plans? 2010-06-12 10:55 mobilelocked, this is a channel about the Ben NanoNote mini-computer. by the way, most default phone passwords are 1234 of 0000, but that's all the help i can provide 2010-06-12 10:55 im working on an open device my self and i wanted to know how the plans were put together to be sent to the manufacturer 2010-06-12 10:55 or* 2010-06-12 10:55 wolfspraul: sounds really nice :) 2010-06-12 10:55 calamarz, wolfspraul has left the channel :P 2010-06-12 10:56 hehe 2010-06-12 10:57 sorry i just searched google for harware help chat and got this the default for samsung is 0000 u are right but my kid has changed the password ive tried google :( 2010-06-12 10:57 qwebirc37100: ah - looking for design flow ideas 2010-06-12 10:57 i looked at the pandora device and they talk about how they got there device manufactured in china but no one seems to be releaseing the plans 2010-06-12 10:57 from what I can tell, the mechanical stuff is still very proprietary 2010-06-12 10:58 mobilelocked, you should check at the manufacturers website if there's a way to reset the phone password then (very unlikely for security reasons), and if not, you'll have to take it back to your carrier or the store where you bought it and have them open it for you 2010-06-12 10:58 every mold shop has their own way of doing things 2010-06-12 10:59 are the plans for the nanonote to be released in the future or is this "pretend" open like osx where the guts are open but all the stuf on the outside is as propritary as it gets? 2010-06-12 10:59 ill take it back to the shop tx m8 bb guys sorry for getting the wrong chat room have fun :) 2010-06-12 11:00 np, hope it works out for you 2010-06-12 11:01 qwebirc37100: only wolfspraul knows for sure. Sounds like he's trying, but the original design was proprietary and he has to pull it out into the open a step at a time. 2010-06-12 11:03 qwebirc37100: there's a guy who hangs out on #beagle who seems to know a fair bit about cnc machining, etc. maybe he would have some ideas about the mechanical stuff 2010-06-12 11:05 thanks for the tips on where to get help on the hw i guess every one is still trying to make open hw but not compleatly succeding sad. 2010-06-12 11:09 has any one seen the cad files for VIA OpenBook i have seen the pictures but not the raw files? 2010-06-12 12:46 tuxbrain: there is a few more good packages on Jlime repo, so if you have jlime in sd, please remember to do opkg update. Also, there is a new rootfs and kernel with proper configured sound. 2010-06-12 14:19 sometimes Ben's display just goes black 2010-06-12 14:19 i can only access via ssh 2010-06-12 14:20 i'm pressing buttons on Ben but the display is still off 2010-06-12 14:20 weird... 2010-06-12 14:22 well it has happend several times now 2010-06-12 14:23 what i noticed about Ben is that it is not robust at all 2010-06-12 14:25 well, its still a work in progress from the software side. 2010-06-12 14:25 yes, i really hope it's just the software :) 2010-06-12 14:26 though i haven't investigated a lot.. but the LCD flickering seems to be from hardware 2010-06-12 14:26 do you guyes notice the flickering of OpenWrt logo after startup? 2010-06-12 14:27 it is not seen on the black background 2010-06-12 14:27 so not visible in console 2010-06-12 14:32 yes, I did notice that. 2010-06-12 14:33 personally though, I'm more bothered by the fact that its a TV screen, though I suppose you don't have a lot of choices with off the shelf components 2010-06-12 14:33 (and custom is a lot more expensive) 2010-06-12 14:36 yes, we can just say "what did you expect from a 99 $ device?" and live with that. 2010-06-12 14:37 they could of taken a mobile phone LCD like the dingoo...but then you'd have to hold it on an angle... 2010-06-12 14:37 here you are right, the viewing angle is perfect 2010-06-12 14:38 the material on case is quite strange.. it is greased up very fast 2010-06-12 14:38 both the keyboard and the case 2010-06-12 14:38 i had to wash my hands several times :) 2010-06-12 14:40 (hot to mention various absurditities wrt the screen buffer, and the fact that you would have to (effectively) update side-to-side...its just unpleasent all round with an Mobile Phone LCD) 2010-06-12 15:11 sdl_frontend: ERROR: Could not initialize screen: No video mode large enough for 320x240 <-- gmu compiled in nn debian 2010-06-12 15:11 somebody has some hint about what's wrong here ^^ ? 2010-06-12 15:12 i had that error too, had to reflash to fix it =/ 2010-06-12 15:13 looks like there is something wrong with your framebuffer device 2010-06-12 15:25 the 320x240 is the correct size, right? 2010-06-12 15:26 hmm... fbi seems to be working ok though 2010-06-12 15:26 320x240 is correct yes, i found that when i tried updating sdl libraries on my nanonote, i got those errors 2010-06-12 15:27 and even replacing them with the old ones again didn't fix it =/ 2010-06-12 15:28 xdpirate: do you know if it has been reported working on debian? or only in openwrt? 2010-06-12 15:28 i have no idea, haven't even tried out debian yet, sorreh 2010-06-12 15:40 got it working on debian :) 2010-06-12 15:40 it was needed to copy the output of fbset into /etc/fb.modes 2010-06-12 15:42 sound not working yet but that's another story :) 2010-06-12 15:42 sdl_mixer missing in action? =P 2010-06-12 15:43 should have that module loaded? 2010-06-12 15:57 got it working! 2010-06-12 15:57 next step, debian package :) 2010-06-12 16:09 tuxbrain: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_Uf6khg3Mg 2010-06-12 16:11 bigger videos do not work well for me.. and that size works with this options in ffmpeg : 2010-06-12 16:11 ffmpeg -i final3.avi -ac 1 -ar 22050 -s 240x180 output.mpg 2010-06-12 16:43 Hi guys, just made an unofficial FAQ at our new forums over at Dingoonity - http://boards.dingoonity.org/ben-nanonote/ben-nanonote-faq/ 2010-06-12 16:44 Feel free to sign up and discuss there 2010-06-12 16:47 xdpirate: looks like a good faq 2010-06-12 16:47 [: 2010-06-12 18:15 is there a reason to keep http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/index.php?title=Format_Data_Partition and http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/index.php?title=Ubifs_Startup seperated? 2010-06-12 18:36 merged them now 2010-06-12 19:37 I added alot of information and tips/tricks on the unofficial FAQ: http://boards.dingoonity.org/ben-nanonote/ben-nanonote-faq/ 2010-06-12 19:39 thanks to arctanx for the location of the hostname, credited you :P 2010-06-12 19:44 when building openwrt-xburst, does anyone know what could cause "ERROR: please fix target/linux/mx2/Makefile"? Nothing strikes me as awry about that file, nor are there any other useful messages. 2010-06-12 19:44 Textmode dont worry, happens for everyone 2010-06-12 19:45 xdpirate nice FAQ 2010-06-12 19:45 urandom_, thanks ^^ 2010-06-12 19:45 if anyone know of anything i should add, just let me know 2010-06-12 19:46 my build also fails, "make -r world: build failed. please re-run with V=99 to see what's going on.", I assumed it was a result of that last error. 2010-06-12 19:46 no it wasnt 2010-06-12 19:47 yes, I gathered that :) 2010-06-12 20:22 yo 2010-06-12 20:23 meep! 2010-06-12 20:24 I don't suppose anyone could advise me how to use the git feature of openwrt to pull down the kernel sources? 2010-06-12 20:24 I've tried but it doesn't seem to work 2010-06-12 20:24 and the docs don't seem to shed any light 2010-06-12 20:34 CongoZombie: what commands have you tried? 2010-06-12 20:49 Textmode, I can't compile ne/nice editor for mips, do you know of a precompiled version? 2010-06-12 20:50 textmode: just tried to set it up with menuconfig 2010-06-12 21:13 kyak: you there? 2010-06-12 21:14 the flickering is definitely a software bug, I think some fixes got into the new Linux 2.6.34 kernel that will show up in the new OpenWrt image in a few days... 2010-06-12 21:15 the factory uses proprietary software for production testing, and every LCM is checked. When we showed them our OpenWrt software running once they said with this flickering no single device would pass :-) 2010-06-12 21:16 it's more pronounced in GUI than in console, like you said. let's see what 2.6.34 brings... 2010-06-12 21:17 Textmode: you said the LCM is a 'TV screen'? What do you mean with that? first time I hear this term... 2010-06-12 21:18 the Ben type of LCM is typically found in digital cameras 2010-06-12 21:19 wolfspraul should translations in the wiki be written in formal or informal language? 2010-06-12 21:24 urandom_: hmm 2010-06-12 21:24 ok let's just think together a little... correct me if you like 2010-06-12 21:24 the wiki is a copyleft hardware wiki 2010-06-12 21:25 so in the end it's geared towards knowledge and production of copyleft hardware devices 2010-06-12 21:25 of course also software running on them, because that is very important also for production (testing) 2010-06-12 21:25 and for end users, although the focus of the wiki is not to document all free software projects, we can just point to the homepages of those projects 2010-06-12 21:26 wolfspraul: a computer screen's pixels are layed out in a grid, a TV screen's pixels are staggered 2010-06-12 21:26 so the language should (in the long run) encourage others to manufacture this hardware 2010-06-12 21:26 wolfspraul: you can see it if you have a magnifying glass (or good eyes) 2010-06-12 21:26 so I think the language should not be so informal that anybody with some sanity would stay away from this craziness 2010-06-12 21:26 on the other hand we are a new type of community, so it can be as informal as we still feel comfortable with 2010-06-12 21:27 got my point? 2010-06-12 21:27 (in the CRT era, theres also differences in how the RGB sub-pixels are layed out (in a row on comp screens, and a triangle on TVs), but that doesn't seem to have carried over to LCDs.) 2010-06-12 21:27 it's not a party, it's still a serious copyleft hardware production effort 2010-06-12 21:27 wolfspraul yeah 2010-06-12 21:27 but then it's a new style factory, for sure. open doors, every question answered, etc. 2010-06-12 21:27 urandom_: btw, thank you very much for your wiki edits, I said it already the other day. 2010-06-12 21:27 if you think I should do something, please let me know 2010-06-12 21:28 Textmode: I was just curious about the term 'TC screen' - is that your invention or a professional term for these pixel layouts? 2010-06-12 21:30 urandom_: I just planned to add Jon's freedom stack to the homepage, I think it gets the point across quite well 2010-06-12 21:30 http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:Vertical_freedom_stack.svg 2010-06-12 21:31 wolfspraul: probably has some specialised name, I know it as "TV screen layout". 2010-06-12 21:32 wolfspraul you also could make a page with style guide and legal stuff like to keep out mp3 from the wiki 2010-06-12 21:33 urandom_: oh definitely, I planned to do that 2010-06-12 21:45 wolfspraul so talking about language is it ok to adress people in german like i would be on first name terms with them since i think we are all a big community and all 2010-06-12 21:46 totally 2010-06-12 21:46 my only concern would be if the language gets so funky that someone thinks we are all stoned 2010-06-12 21:46 because we do want to attract other (small) business to our cause, and really manufacture stuff, etc. 2010-06-12 21:47 I am just illustrating my thinking, since you do the German translation how you exactly interpret this is very much up to you. I'm glad you bring it up, it's important to get right. 2010-06-12 21:47 be friendly, attract newcomers 2010-06-12 21:48 also be respectful to people who have a different point of view 2010-06-12 21:48 so for German (since I'm German myself): first name definitely good 2010-06-12 21:50 ok :) 2010-06-12 22:35 poo, looks like theres no one awake in #autotools... 2010-06-12 22:46 :-) 2010-06-12 22:49 xiangfu: I don't use it by choice :P 2010-06-12 22:51 I am a noob, does anyone know how to boot the gui 2010-06-12 22:52 qwebirc33649 what distro and what gui? 2010-06-12 22:52 the stock gui openwrt 2010-06-12 22:52 I mean the stock distro 2010-06-12 22:53 I guess he means the gmenu2x that comes in the latest flash 2010-06-12 22:54 so typing gmenu2x should do the job, but you have to have the latest openwrt image 2010-06-12 22:55 ok let me try 2010-06-12 22:55 it boots by default in the latest image, I found. 2010-06-12 22:55 had a hell of a time killing it :) 2010-06-12 22:55 yeah it does 2010-06-12 22:56 I get the messag /bin/ash: gmenu2x: not found 2010-06-12 22:57 have you reflashed your ben? 2010-06-12 22:57 no do you have to do this, and why would I have to reflash it 2010-06-12 22:57 ? 2010-06-12 22:58 the image the ben is shipped with is very old and has no gmenu2x 2010-06-12 22:58 pls read this http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Updating_Ben_NanoNote_software 2010-06-12 22:59 I ok I will look at this 2010-06-12 22:59 the procedure isnt easy yet so you can ask if you dont understand something 2010-06-12 23:00 great thanks 2010-06-12 23:03 the ben is really more directed at devs, from what I gather. 2010-06-12 23:03 at least atm 2010-06-12 23:04 it could be very usefull for non dev people too but the software needs some improvement 2010-06-12 23:17 yes, the hardware is fine, but software is very much in a state of flux, and rather peicemeal