2010-06-07 00:43 <qi-commits> Xiangfu Liu: [new package] Rubén Berenguel's ports http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/cb4bdc4
2010-06-07 00:43 <qi-commits> Xiangfu Liu: [imgv] MKAE_VARS is better http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/f2346b6
2010-06-07 04:39 <zear> article about nn on polish edition of linuxnews: http://linuxnews.pl/komputer-w-pelni-open-source/
2010-06-07 04:40 <zear> there's a lot of hatred in the comments, as expected ;)
2010-06-07 04:41 <wolfspraul> he
2010-06-07 04:41 <wolfspraul> zear: can you give us some highlights?
2010-06-07 04:42 <wolfspraul> zear: btw, the other day you asked about growth of community and I didn't answer before you left
2010-06-07 04:42 <zear> they say there are cheaper netbooks with better hardware
2010-06-07 04:42 <wolfspraul> so I think it's mixed
2010-06-07 04:42 <wolfspraul> of course I am super happy about all the support
2010-06-07 04:42 <wolfspraul> I mean it's scary actually
2010-06-07 04:42 <wolfspraul> OpenWrt, Debian, JLiMe
2010-06-07 04:43 <zear> and generally, blah blah, 320x240, slow cpu, no net, high price
2010-06-07 04:43 <wolfspraul> also the copyleft hardware wiki keeps growing with what is important
2010-06-07 04:43 <zear> and they also make references to openmoko's failure ;)
2010-06-07 04:43 <zear> ah, great to hear that
2010-06-07 04:43 <wolfspraul> and I do see very very respectable people join our community
2010-06-07 04:43 <zear> that's good too
2010-06-07 04:43 <wolfspraul> Marc Zonzon, Ruben, nebajoth, Jirka, etc.
2010-06-07 04:43 <wolfspraul> just look what they contribute, it'a amazing
2010-06-07 04:43 <zear> btw, do all the ports need to be incorporated in the openwrt?
2010-06-07 04:43 <wolfspraul> of course we are working on that
2010-06-07 04:44 <wolfspraul> 'need to be' I don't know
2010-06-07 04:44 <zear> i really don't like how owrt forces me to modify the makefiles to be able to compile them
2010-06-07 04:44 <wolfspraul> but I think it would be cool to make them more accessible
2010-06-07 04:44 <zear> but i'd like to have a standalone toolchain i can just compile apps with
2010-06-07 04:44 <zear> if i had something like that, i'd port all the dingux games/emulators right away
2010-06-07 04:44 <larsc> they don't need to be, but it's nice to have, because everybody can easyly build the package themself then
2010-06-07 04:44 <wolfspraul> now we have Milkymist One coming up, a big challenge
2010-06-07 04:44 <wolfspraul> people need to get the whole FPGA thing
2010-06-07 04:44 <wolfspraul> how it fits together in the long run
2010-06-07 04:44 <larsc> and it can be part of the standard distro
2010-06-07 04:44 <wolfspraul> we need to survive to make it to Ya NanoNote
2010-06-07 04:45 <zear> there problem with incorporating everything into owrt is, a lot of stuff (from dingux, at least) are forks and crude hacks of the vanilla sources
2010-06-07 04:45 <zear> and they are one-time-only ports
2010-06-07 04:45 <wolfspraul> zear: so bottom line, please continue supporting us
2010-06-07 04:45 <wolfspraul> every tiny bit helps
2010-06-07 04:45 <zear> with no hope for updates by merging them with vanilla sources
2010-06-07 04:45 <wolfspraul> in return we continue to spend our last pennies to open up more :-)
2010-06-07 04:45 <zear> :D
2010-06-07 04:45 <wolfspraul> but it's a fun ride, really
2010-06-07 04:45 <wolfspraul> I learn so much
2010-06-07 04:46 <zear> i hope it's not a financial suicide
2010-06-07 04:46 <wolfspraul> I mean I really do believe in the strength of free software.
2010-06-07 04:46 <wolfspraul> so those comments - to me all irrelevant
2010-06-07 04:46 <wolfspraul> they all just compare HW specs
2010-06-07 04:46 <wolfspraul> so what
2010-06-07 04:46 <zear> yeah, but we also need the popularity
2010-06-07 04:46 <wolfspraul> we have, today, 2.6.32 running
2010-06-07 04:46 <zear> people who write the articles need to understand NN is not a full feature laptop
2010-06-07 04:46 <wolfspraul> 2.6.34 is coming to an image very soon
2010-06-07 04:46 <wolfspraul> that is unbelievable
2010-06-07 04:46 <zear> we should make that clear on the wiki (if we didn't do it already)
2010-06-07 04:47 <wolfspraul> we have the picture on the hand now
2010-06-07 04:47 <zear> because every time i see an article it says "a mini laptop"
2010-06-07 04:47 <wolfspraul> at least the size proportions should be clear now
2010-06-07 04:47 <zear> and people expect it to run windows with crysis
2010-06-07 04:47 <zear> and when they hear it's a mipsel linux thing, they start to complain
2010-06-07 04:47 <wolfspraul> so to those guys that say it only has 32 MB ram, or lacking USB host etc. I say I am running 2.6.32 in my image today, and 2.6.34 is almost in an image (lars has it running of course)
2010-06-07 04:47 <zear> because they expected windows
2010-06-07 04:47 <wolfspraul> that is innovation in this project
2010-06-07 04:47 <wolfspraul> not whether we are the first to have 1ghz
2010-06-07 04:48 <zear> i don't want it to have 1ghz
2010-06-07 04:48 <zear> i want it to be the way it is now - a tiny pc with limited usage
2010-06-07 04:49 <wolfspraul> he
2010-06-07 04:49 <wolfspraul> I think we can get a lot more out of it
2010-06-07 04:49 <zear> i can run a dictionary and a music player on it, and i'm very happy with that
2010-06-07 04:49 <wolfspraul> of course the portability will stay
2010-06-07 04:49 <wolfspraul> 126g
2010-06-07 04:49 <zear> we just need to get wikireader and i'll be in heaven )
2010-06-07 04:49 <zear> *:)
2010-06-07 04:49 <wolfspraul> we will
2010-06-07 04:49 <wolfspraul> there are many good things in motion, really I think software is coming along nicely
2010-06-07 04:49 <wolfspraul> zear: what do you think?
2010-06-07 04:49 <zear> and yeah, ya really needs a way of wireless communication
2010-06-07 04:50 <wolfspraul> all those people that help porting apps, really good support from openwrt, 2.6.34 work
2010-06-07 04:50 <zear> well,i think there is a progress with the software, but it's not a revolution
2010-06-07 04:50 <zear> we need a good standalone toolchain so people can start porting stuff
2010-06-07 04:50 <wolfspraul> fair enough, but I think it will continue like this
2010-06-07 04:50 <wolfspraul> zear: I think OpenWrt can create an 'SDK' never tried it though
2010-06-07 04:51 <wolfspraul> is that a stand-alone toolchain?
2010-06-07 04:51 <zear> by a stand-alone toolchain i mean a toolchain with a set of basic libs you can put into /opt, export the PATH variable and start compiling
2010-06-07 04:52 <zear> with no need for Makefile hacks ;)
2010-06-07 04:52 <wolfspraul> zear: can you post a comment in Polish to that site just telling them what you think of it as an owner and that they can buy from tuxbrain.com in the EU?
2010-06-07 04:52 <zear> just ./configure --host=mipsel-linux --target=mipsel-linux and you're done
2010-06-07 04:52 <zear> yes, i posted it already
2010-06-07 04:52 <wolfspraul> oh, great
2010-06-07 04:52 <wolfspraul> thanks a lot
2010-06-07 04:52 <zear> though it needs to be accepted by the mods, as i just registered
2010-06-07 04:52 <wolfspraul> we should not over-promise
2010-06-07 04:52 <wolfspraul> much better to lower expectations to zero
2010-06-07 04:53 <wolfspraul> it's really only for people that are quite technical today, like the original theregister post said a 'dedicated vi device'
2010-06-07 04:53 <zear> i explained in that post that nanonote is more of a PIM/notepad/music player/dictionary than a full feature laptop
2010-06-07 04:53 <larsc> zear: if you need makefile hacks, the makefile is broken anyway ;)
2010-06-07 04:53 <wolfspraul> I can stand behind that any day. it is a dedicated vi device. :-) and a good one
2010-06-07 04:53 <zear> and also mentioned it is binary compatible with dingoo a320, so can run all the games/emus for that platform
2010-06-07 04:53 <wolfspraul> zear: have you ever tried to download and build the openwrt sources?
2010-06-07 04:53 <zear> yes, i have it ready on my hdd
2010-06-07 04:53 <larsc> zear: projects which use autotools should work out of the box btw.
2010-06-07 04:53 <wolfspraul> I see this 'SDK' option in menuconfig, not sure what it is but maybe it's what you want?
2010-06-07 04:54 <zear> though i never managed to successfully build anything with it
2010-06-07 04:54 <zear> because the toolchain is didived into two different, unstandard dirs
2010-06-07 04:54 <zear> and ./configure can't find the libs, etc
2010-06-07 04:54 <zear> *divided
2010-06-07 04:56 <zear> btw, more and more people from the dingoo community get their nanonotes
2010-06-07 04:56 <wolfspraul> nice
2010-06-07 04:56 <zear> we have about 8-10 people with nn in dingoo community now
2010-06-07 04:56 <wolfspraul> wow, happy to hear that
2010-06-07 04:56 <wolfspraul> can you tell them about this IRC channel?
2010-06-07 04:56 <wolfspraul> also the mailing list
2010-06-07 04:57 <zear> yep, though they should be already aware of that
2010-06-07 04:57 <zear> some of them are already
2010-06-07 04:58 <zear> i mean, some of them already visit the irc
2010-06-07 04:58 <zear> like darfgarf or xdpirate
2010-06-07 04:58 <zear> or wejp :)
2010-06-07 05:32 <kyak> zear: there is a thing, crosstool, from www.kegel.com/crosstool/. I've managed to create a toolchain to mipsel with it and successfully run the "hello world" on my linksys router
2010-06-07 05:32 <kyak> so you could try that.. to avoid hacking openwrt makefiles
2010-06-07 05:33 <zear> kyak, well, i can already use the dingux toolchain
2010-06-07 05:33 <zear> and it produces working binaries
2010-06-07 05:33 <kyak> isn't this what you want?
2010-06-07 05:33 <zear> but i want the same set of libs that's in the owrt
2010-06-07 05:34 <zear> i want exactly the same thing so there are no compatibility problems and programs compiled with it are optimized for nanonote's hardware
2010-06-07 05:36 <kyak> i see, then you'll need to stick to openwrt anyway
2010-06-07 05:37 <zear> well, it would be enough for the devs to maintain a standalone toolchain
2010-06-07 08:56 <killi> I ordered my NN on friday, anyone know how long order processing takes? It is still pending:)
2010-06-07 08:57 <larsc> where did you order?
2010-06-07 08:57 <killi> sharism.cc
2010-06-07 09:07 <xiangfu> killi: Hi I will ask other people in sharism.cc about your order. what is your email?  we can send email when we got some result.
2010-06-07 11:29 <qwebirc49195> is there any way to stream music off the net to the nanonote (through usb or something)?
2010-06-07 12:30 <kristianpaul> ERROR:HDLCompilers:26 - "../../../../cores/lm32/rtl/lm32_icache.v" line 101 unexpected token: '$clog2'
2010-06-07 12:30 <kristianpaul> ops
2010-06-07 12:38 <emeb> w00t - my nanonote has shipped.
2010-06-07 15:09 <xdpirate> 07 Jun 2010 16:37:01 Oslo Shipment Released From Customs.
2010-06-07 15:09 <xdpirate> finally, we've got progress!
2010-06-07 15:09 <xdpirate> :P
2010-06-07 15:10 <kristianpaul> :)
2010-06-07 15:13 <xdpirate> What does qi-eggs do?
2010-06-07 15:14 <xdpirate> qi-commits is pretty self-explainatory, but qi-eggs? =P
2010-06-07 16:02 <jd823592> hello, i am looking for an open netbook/laptop (like touchbook) does anyone know about the choices i have?
2010-06-07 17:25 <alextybob60> Hi
2010-06-07 17:25 <alextybob60> i have a few problems with my computer
2010-06-07 17:25 <alextybob60> http://pastebin.ca/1878686
2010-06-07 17:26 <alextybob60> problems written there ^^^^
2010-06-07 17:27 <tuxbrain_away> mmm alex I have read well but your asking for suport for windows instalation on the copyleft hardware channel ?
2010-06-07 17:28 <alextybob60> this the wrong place?
2010-06-07 17:29 <tuxbrain> to be short yes
2010-06-07 17:29 <alextybob60> shall i /part?
2010-06-07 17:30 <tuxbrain> not you are wellcome to stay :) but don't expecte to be helped in that matters
2010-06-07 17:30 <alextybob60> ok
2010-06-07 17:30 <alextybob60> fair enough
2010-06-07 17:32 <zedstar> that was fairly random
2010-06-07 17:38 <tuxbrain> zedstar: yeah , I'm so sleppy than until your message I believe I has felt sleep on the keyboard having a a bizarre "lucid dream" (lucid dream->dreams that you know you are dreaming)
2010-06-07 17:41 <tuxbrain> I think I better go to search a real dream at my loved bed and pillow, space bar is not so comfortable
2010-06-07 17:41 <zedstar> tuxbrain lol
2010-06-07 20:42 <DocScrutinizer> wolfspraul: you pinged me
2010-06-07 20:42 <wolfspraul> DocScrutinizer: hah, yes
2010-06-07 20:42 <wolfspraul> how are you?
2010-06-07 20:42 <wolfspraul> we didn't chat in a while
2010-06-07 20:42 <DocScrutinizer> yesterday sick, today in foul mood - but nvm
2010-06-07 20:43 <DocScrutinizer> quite busy with a few silly projects for N900
2010-06-07 20:43 <wolfspraul> well that's nice
2010-06-07 20:43 <DocScrutinizer> how's Qi, and how are you?
2010-06-07 20:44 <wolfspraul> things are moving
2010-06-07 20:44 <wolfspraul> Ben NanoNote is selling
2010-06-07 20:44 <wolfspraul> software improving
2010-06-07 20:44 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
2010-06-07 20:44 <wolfspraul> SAKC is slow but steady, once I have a board there I will make sure to get you one
2010-06-07 20:45 <wolfspraul> the other fpga-based computer we are working on is also moving, Milkymist One
2010-06-07 20:45 <wolfspraul> that's the link I wanted to send you
2010-06-07 20:45 <wolfspraul> DocScrutinizer: we have some pretty cool documentation about the SMT process now, see http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Milkymist_One_SMT/DIP_Process_Flow
2010-06-07 20:45 <wolfspraul> just wanted to show you
2010-06-07 20:46 <DocScrutinizer> aah, fine :)
2010-06-07 20:52 <emeb> wolfspraul: saw the SAKC stuff the other day. I've got something similar for beagle: http://members.cox.net/ebrombaugh1/embedded/beagle/beagle_fpga.html
2010-06-07 20:53 <wolfspraul> nice, beautiful work, congratulations!
2010-06-07 20:53 <wolfspraul> I fully share your motivation, SDR work etc.
2010-06-07 20:53 <wolfspraul> great!
2010-06-07 20:54 <emeb> thanks. FPGAs don't get enough love from hobbyists
2010-06-07 20:54 <wolfspraul> there are too few free software fpga projects, we have to change it
2010-06-07 20:54 <emeb> seems a lot of OSS types rebel against the closed FPGA tools full stop.
2010-06-07 20:55 <wolfspraul> hmm
2010-06-07 20:55 <wolfspraul> some dp
2010-06-07 20:55 <wolfspraul> some do
2010-06-07 20:55 <wolfspraul> I wouldn't spend a second of thought on that.
2010-06-07 20:56 <emeb> Doesn't bother me in the least.
2010-06-07 20:56 <wolfspraul> let the proprietary silicon under them grow
2010-06-07 20:56 <wolfspraul> emeb: do you know the Milkymist project?
2010-06-07 20:56 <emeb> Got it up on the browser as we speak.
2010-06-07 20:56 <wolfspraul> it's a GPL licensed SoC around a LatticeMico32 core
2010-06-07 20:57 <emeb> Hmm - text says Spartan6?
2010-06-07 20:57 <wolfspraul> yes
2010-06-07 20:57 <wolfspraul> emeb: also the Elphel cameras, do you know those? used for Google book scanning and street view
2010-06-07 20:58 <emeb> Was looking at the Elphel stuff the other day.
2010-06-07 20:58 <wolfspraul> but the important thing is all code in the FPGA is GPL licensed, which is the stuff that talks to the CMOS/CCD sensor
2010-06-07 20:58 <emeb> That's handy.
2010-06-07 20:58 <wolfspraul> we are trying to combine all this free tech into consumer products - copyleft hardware
2010-06-07 20:58 <wolfspraul> so far so good, moving :-)
2010-06-07 20:58 <wolfspraul> still alive
2010-06-07 20:58 <emeb> low-end FPGAs are cheap enough ($10 range) that they're quite practical for small projects
2010-06-07 20:58 <wolfspraul> people are lining up 2 blocks for the iPad, we sell one by one, but it's fun
2010-06-07 20:59 <emeb> I was interested that you've got such a wide parallel link between MCU <> FPGA on SAKC.
2010-06-07 21:00 <emeb> Must help with fast comms between
2010-06-07 21:00 <emeb> the two
2010-06-07 21:00 <wolfspraul> he, I don't even know the details about that
2010-06-07 21:00 <emeb> Ah - HW details not your bailiwick?
2010-06-07 21:00 <wolfspraul> I try to keep the business running, so as soon as there is someone I trust I 'outsource' everything to that person.
2010-06-07 21:01 <wolfspraul> plus I'm an ex-software guy
2010-06-07 21:01 <wolfspraul> but on hardware, I consult with people like DocScrutinizer, or in the case of SAKC it's Carlos Camargo
2010-06-07 21:01 <wolfspraul> if they say it's good, move forward, then I move forward
2010-06-07 21:01 <wolfspraul> so far they haven't killed me yet
2010-06-07 21:01 <emeb> Aha. So how's the business structured?
2010-06-07 21:02 <wolfspraul> it's the only business in the world where all employees work for free and have to bring money each morning, together with their lunch packs
2010-06-07 21:02 <wolfspraul> :-)
2010-06-07 21:02 <emeb> Been there. :)
2010-06-07 21:02 <wolfspraul> we are just a small team of people enthousiastic about the idea of making hardware that is really in line and tailored towards free software
2010-06-07 21:02 <wolfspraul> and we try to build it bottom-up, i.e. making simple functioning products asap and selling them
2010-06-07 21:03 <wolfspraul> so far we sold about 750-800 Ben NanoNote, for example
2010-06-07 21:03 <emeb> Ah - you're behind the Nanonote?
2010-06-07 21:03 <emeb> Just ordered one Fri - should get it Thurs if FedEx is to be believed.
2010-06-07 21:05 <wolfspraul> nice
2010-06-07 21:05 <wolfspraul> thank you!
2010-06-07 21:06 <emeb> Looks like a nice upgrade to my old Agenda VR3
2010-06-07 21:06 <wolfspraul> hopefully you like it, stop by in this channel and tell us
2010-06-07 21:07 <emeb> Will do. Looks like there's a bit to learn about it which is the fun part for me...
2010-06-07 21:07 <wolfspraul> yes, agreed
2010-06-07 21:07 <wolfspraul> with your interest in fpgas, hopefully we can do more together in the future
2010-06-07 21:07 <emeb> that sounds like fun.
2010-06-07 21:08 <emeb> I've got lots of little projects over on that website, some with FPGAs, various audio things. Wide-ranging interests...
2010-06-07 21:09 <wolfspraul> good I will check it
2010-06-07 21:10 <emeb> Seems I need to drill down into the content on the qi-hardware site too.
2010-06-07 21:10 <emeb> Well - nice chatting. I'll see you around...
2010-06-07 21:10 <wolfspraul> please do, yes
2010-06-07 21:11 <wolfspraul> I am thinking about a camera like Elphel, just leave the CPU out
2010-06-07 21:11 <wolfspraul> so basically just CMOS sensor + Spartan-6
2010-06-07 21:11 <emeb> That could work...
2010-06-07 21:11 <wolfspraul> the stream it down via Ethernet
2010-06-07 21:12 <wolfspraul> anyway, nice to chat with you too
2010-06-07 21:22 <wolfspraul> emeb: do you have a blog, some rss/atom feed for our planet?
2010-06-07 21:26 <emeb> wolfspraul: sorry - just that website.
2010-06-07 21:29 <wolfspraul> ok, I will just add a new section 'free software FPGA projects' to  a wiki page, maybe http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Planet
2010-06-07 21:30 <wolfspraul> have to collect these projects somewhere, maybe other lists already exist, but can't hurt
2010-06-07 21:30 <wolfspraul> emeb: do you have a list?
2010-06-07 21:30 <wolfspraul> GPL (or other FOSS) licensed FPGA projects?
2010-06-07 21:32 <emeb> wolfspraul: honestly I haven't given much thought to the licensing on these projects. I suppose some sort of GPL would apply though.
2010-06-07 21:33 <emeb> I probably ought to refresh all those projects with words to that effect & license details.
2010-06-07 21:33 <emeb> But - to answer your question: Yes I can build a list for you.
2010-06-07 21:35 <kristianpaul> oh you are suing gEDA :)
2010-06-07 21:35 <kristianpaul> s/suing/using
2010-06-07 21:35 <emeb> kristianpaul: yes
2010-06-07 21:35 <kristianpaul> cheers
2010-06-07 21:36 <kristianpaul> few people use it
2010-06-07 21:36 <kristianpaul> at least people i know use such us tolls
2010-06-07 21:36 <emeb> Works well for my purposes. Keeps getting better.
2010-06-07 21:36 <kristianpaul> s/tolls/tools
2010-06-07 21:36 <emeb> I suppose if one were doing large multi-layer boards it might not be ideal though.
2010-06-07 21:37 <kristianpaul> i was about to ask that
2010-06-07 21:38 <emeb> Works well for 2 layers. 4 layers is probably OK too.
2010-06-07 21:39 <emeb> but I've not tried 4. For my day job though I've worked on boards that were 10+ layers and I don't think it would work well for that.
2010-06-07 21:40 <kristianpaul> what you think about kicad?
2010-06-07 21:41 <emeb> I've never used it.
2010-06-07 21:41 <kristianpaul> ok
2010-06-07 21:41 <emeb> gotta go - nice chatting...
2010-06-07 21:42 <kristianpaul> ok bye
2010-06-07 21:43 <kristianpaul> btw the list will nice
2010-06-07 21:44 <kristianpaul> reads http://members.cox.net/ebrombaugh1/synth/index.html
2010-06-07 21:47 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: can you help start a 'free software FPGA projects' list in our wiki?
2010-06-07 21:47 <kristianpaul> wolfspraul: hey sure
2010-06-07 21:47 <kristianpaul> wait
2010-06-07 21:47 <wolfspraul> should we have a new page for that or add it to an existing page?
2010-06-07 21:47 <kristianpaul> new i think
2010-06-07 21:48 <kristianpaul> if there is no one yet?
2010-06-07 21:48 <wolfspraul> I think with the various FPGA projects coming up such a list will make more and more sense.
2010-06-07 21:48 <wolfspraul> I doubt it
2010-06-07 21:48 <wolfspraul> we have some SAKC pages
2010-06-07 21:48 <kristianpaul> there is need for FPGA projects indeed
2010-06-07 21:49 <kristianpaul> http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Free_software_FPGA_projects
2010-06-07 21:55 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: nice
2010-06-07 22:11 <kristianpaul> wolfspraul: http://www.gaisler.com/cms/
2010-06-07 22:17 <wolfspraul> ah yes, the LEON CPUs, nice
2010-06-07 22:17 <kristianpaul> oh http://www.staticfreesoft.com/
2010-06-07 22:40 <kristianpaul> :)
2010-06-07 22:40 <kristianpaul> i just ordered 10 Hoperf modules .D
2010-06-07 22:41 <kristianpaul> have plans to get telemetry for trafic lighs in his town
2010-06-07 22:45 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: wow nice!
2010-06-07 22:46 <wolfspraul> I am very interested in those modules
2010-06-07 22:46 <kristianpaul> me too
2010-06-07 22:46 <wolfspraul> where did you order them? how much do you pay for shipping? which ones exactly do you order?
2010-06-07 22:46 <wolfspraul> how do you plan to hook them up?
2010-06-07 22:46 <wolfspraul> which software stack?
2010-06-07 22:46 <wolfspraul> we need to talk about it at Campus Party
2010-06-07 22:46 <kristianpaul> i order 10 x RFM12B-433S1 433MHZ band Fsk transceiver module SMD(S1) ROHS
2010-06-07 22:47 <wolfspraul> I really want to get them into the Ya NanoNote - SlowFi
2010-06-07 22:47 <kristianpaul> 2 x H28 SMD IC H28 ROHS
2010-06-07 22:47 <kristianpaul> shipping was 35usd DHL
2010-06-07 22:47 <wolfspraul> ouch
2010-06-07 22:47 <wolfspraul> more than the modules
2010-06-07 22:47 <kristianpaul> i order from DHL
2010-06-07 22:47 <kristianpaul> wolfspraul: yes but cheaper that sparkfunb
2010-06-07 22:48 <kristianpaul> moudles costs 25
2010-06-07 22:48 <kristianpaul> any ay i cheap
2010-06-07 22:48 <kristianpaul> s/ay/way
2010-06-07 22:48 <kristianpaul> s/i/is
2010-06-07 22:48 <kristianpaul> sofware stucj dont know yet
2010-06-07 22:48 <kristianpaul> i saw some examples for pics microcontrolers wich i have acess to
2010-06-07 22:48 <kristianpaul> here atmel is kinf expensive
2010-06-07 22:49 <kristianpaul> hook as the examples said
2010-06-07 22:49 <kristianpaul> i also need buy 10 pics 18F2250 and batteries
2010-06-07 22:49 <kristianpaul> well i need more stuff
2010-06-07 22:49 <kristianpaul> the idea is to have 10 of this units working
2010-06-07 22:49 <kristianpaul> ans see how interect
2010-06-07 22:50 <wolfspraul> what do you hook them up to?
2010-06-07 22:50 <wolfspraul> which CPU?
2010-06-07 22:50 <wolfspraul> or microcontroller?
2010-06-07 22:50 <kristianpaul> PIC18F2550 from Microchhip
2010-06-07 22:50 <kristianpaul> i plan hook to the nano as soon i assemled it
2010-06-07 22:50 <kristianpaul> i also plan get GPS cordenates of the town
2010-06-07 22:50 <kristianpaul> wich finally i make gps work :)
2010-06-07 22:51 <kristianpaul> not wich nano yet, i still need solve some wire up issues
2010-06-07 22:51 <kristianpaul> but is close
2010-06-07 22:51 <kristianpaul> at least i know the GPS works and well up to 2 hrs
2010-06-07 22:51 <wolfspraul> oh nice
2010-06-07 22:51 <wolfspraul> so one sec
2010-06-07 22:51 <wolfspraul> you hook up GPS to Ben NanoNote?
2010-06-07 22:51 <wolfspraul> that I knew already, and it's fantastic!
2010-06-07 22:52 <wolfspraul> how about HopeRF? also hook up to NanoNote?
2010-06-07 22:52 <kristianpaul> wolfspraul: i did but still havinf problems with my custom wire up
2010-06-07 22:53 <kristianpaul> i also was fixing the reprap with no luck so i stoped with the nano, but i know time is getting short i need fixs lots things here
2010-06-07 22:53 <kristianpaul> wolfspraul: no directly
2010-06-07 22:53 <kristianpaul> well yday were discussing here with lars_ about free gpio pins
2010-06-07 22:54 <wolfspraul> no rush, push the NanoNote back, we get things done step by step and cparty preparations are more important I understand
2010-06-07 22:54 <wolfspraul> I will try to visit hoperf again, maybe next week
2010-06-07 22:54 <kristianpaul> but i think is better use a small MCU and uart if this get enought tested
2010-06-07 22:54 <wolfspraul> before I come down to Colombia
2010-06-07 22:54 <wolfspraul> if you have questions, I can ask. if you need samples, I can buy and bring with me.
2010-06-07 22:54 <kristianpaul> i need 10 pics18F2250 cheap :)
2010-06-07 22:55 <kristianpaul> or avr whateevr i need 10
2010-06-07 22:55 <kristianpaul> thats my next task
2010-06-07 22:55 <kristianpaul> about RF
2010-06-07 22:55 <kristianpaul> the last is solar power
2010-06-07 22:55 <kristianpaul> i saw some modlues in sparkfun
2010-06-07 22:55 <kristianpaul> so i can place the modules and feed it for free
2010-06-07 22:55 <wolfspraul> can the hoperf modules be hooked up with uart?
2010-06-07 22:55 <wolfspraul> I thought it's spi only
2010-06-07 22:56 <kristianpaul> yes
2010-06-07 22:56 <kristianpaul> thats why a small MCU need to that work
2010-06-07 22:57 <kristianpaul> in case hoperf could be hookup with the nanonote
2010-06-07 22:57 <wolfspraul> ah I see
2010-06-07 22:57 <kristianpaul> my bet is
2010-06-07 22:57 <wolfspraul> well you know the details best, if I can help you with sourcing I would love to do that
2010-06-07 22:57 <wolfspraul> email me what you need, I can try
2010-06-07 22:57 <kristianpaul> hoperf + pic (low low powe consuption) + gpio + ad + solar power
2010-06-07 22:58 <kristianpaul> s/ad/ADC
2010-06-07 22:58 <wolfspraul> ad = ?
2010-06-07 22:58 <wolfspraul> what is this device good for?
2010-06-07 22:58 <kristianpaul> wich?
2010-06-07 22:58 <wolfspraul> hoperf+pic+gpio+adc+solar
2010-06-07 22:59 <kristianpaul> telemetry i bet at fiest
2010-06-07 22:59 <kristianpaul> "SMS" passing
2010-06-07 22:59 <kristianpaul> i want for remote monitoring of traffic light system
2010-06-07 22:59 <kristianpaul> but i  general text messaging will based
2010-06-07 23:00 <kristianpaul> later i can see what other stacks fit
2010-06-07 23:00 <kristianpaul> but if can broadcast test will be nice
2010-06-07 23:00 <kristianpaul> even more if "this device" will be apart from the other and so on
2010-06-07 23:00 <kristianpaul> like mesh but i dont know if will work
2010-06-07 23:04 <kristianpaul> well i'm off bed
2010-06-07 23:04 <kristianpaul> gn8 al
2010-06-07 23:04 <kristianpaul> all
2010-06-07 23:08 <wolfspraul> 'night
2010-06-07 23:40 <rafa_> hello, short question geeks.. :
2010-06-07 23:41 <rafa_> is there some /sys/.../file to suspend the whole nn or to turn it off?
2010-06-07 23:46 <wolfspraul> rafa_: I think there is, but don't know which one...
2010-06-07 23:46 <wolfspraul> both suspend and turn off I think
2010-06-07 23:47 <rafa_> wolfspraul: I want to config power on/off button in Jlime to suspend perhaps
2010-06-07 23:48 <rafa_> wolfspraul: btw, jlime distro is starting to look nice ;)
2010-06-07 23:49 <rafa_> no GUI yet, but main rootfs is already configured (networking, opkg, etc)
2010-06-07 23:53 <DocScrutinizer> ohnoes, still the notorious opkg? ;-P
2010-06-07 23:54 <wolfspraul> rafa_: nice
2010-06-07 23:56 <rafa_> DocScrutinizer: yeah, we use it in Jlime
2010-06-07 23:56 <DocScrutinizer> X-D
2010-06-07 23:56 <rafa_> you would like to use apt-get ?
2010-06-07 23:56 <DocScrutinizer> I feel it's somewhat saner
2010-06-07 23:56 <DocScrutinizer> though I not really got any idea about it
2010-06-07 23:56 <rafa_> try debian in nn and run apt-get install quake
2010-06-07 23:56 <rafa_> :)
2010-06-07 23:57 <rafa_> your system will freeze ;)
2010-06-07 23:57 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, why that?
2010-06-07 23:57 <rafa_> nn has 32 MB of ram
2010-06-07 23:57 <DocScrutinizer> apt/cache overflow?
2010-06-07 23:57 <DocScrutinizer> mhm
2010-06-07 23:57 <rafa_> the package systems need huge amount of ram to work
2010-06-07 23:57 <DocScrutinizer> no swap?
2010-06-07 23:58 <rafa_> you can add 32 or 64MB of swap.. but you will feel the same
2010-06-07 23:58 <DocScrutinizer> sorry no NN here
2010-06-07 23:59 <DocScrutinizer> opkg upgrade had similar problems iirc
2010-06-07 23:59 <rafa_> ipk was born because the problems with rpm/apt in systems with few ram