2010-05-30 00:02 <qi-commits> Xiangfu Liu: [sdcv] fix compile errors. thanks to jirka. http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/df66aa3
2010-05-30 00:06 <xakh> okay, this make went fine, after I unchecked everything.
2010-05-30 00:07 <urandom_> so what are you up to now?
2010-05-30 00:09 <xakh> what do I do to make the symlinks?
2010-05-30 00:09 <urandom_> just run make package/symlinks
2010-05-30 00:12 <xakh> pl
2010-05-30 00:13 <xakh> is this going to take forever?
2010-05-30 00:13 <urandom_> pl?
2010-05-30 00:17 <qi-commits> Xiangfu Liu: new package [sc], thanks to jirka http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/933f0cd
2010-05-30 00:29 <xakh>  okay
2010-05-30 00:29 <xakh> made
2010-05-30 00:29 <xakh> oh
2010-05-30 00:29 <xakh> meant ok
2010-05-30 00:29 <xakh> but I was one letter off
2010-05-30 00:31 <urandom_> so you have leafpad now in menuconfig?
2010-05-30 00:34 <urandom_> does make package/leafpad/compile V=99 now say something different?
2010-05-30 00:48 <xakh> oops
2010-05-30 00:48 <xakh> sorry
2010-05-30 00:50 <xakh> hmm
2010-05-30 00:50 <xakh> didn't seem to
2010-05-30 00:51 <xakh> but I think I found an error in my makefile.
2010-05-30 00:51 <xakh> going to redo it and see
2010-05-30 00:54 <xakh> got the same error compiling leafpad
2010-05-30 02:06 <xakh> sighs
2010-05-30 02:06 <xakh> closer I get, the further it moves
2010-05-30 02:06 <xakh> night all.
2010-05-30 04:51 <xakh> hey
2010-05-30 04:51 <xakh> is there a midnight commander port for the nanonote?
2010-05-30 04:53 <wejp> yes
2010-05-30 05:13 <xakh> really?
2010-05-30 05:14 <xakh> wejp: can I have the ipk?
2010-05-30 05:17 <wejp> xakh, actually it should even be installed by default. at least it was in the previous firmware images, not sure about the latest one
2010-05-30 05:17 <xakh> oooh
2010-05-30 05:17 <xakh> lemme check
2010-05-30 05:18 <xakh> never bothered, figured it wasn't there
2010-05-30 05:18 <xakh> holy crap!
2010-05-30 05:18 <wejp> :D
2010-05-30 05:18 <xakh> thanks man!
2010-05-30 05:18 <wejp> you're welcome :)
2010-05-30 05:19 <xakh> crap
2010-05-30 05:19 <xakh> I still don't know all the shortcuts
2010-05-30 05:19 <xakh> brb
2010-05-30 05:19 <xakh> bathroom
2010-05-30 05:19 <xakh> while I'm gone, could you point me to a shortcut list?
2010-05-30 05:19 <wejp> hm, i don't know a shortcut list, maybe there is something on the wiki
2010-05-30 05:25 <xakh> I
2010-05-30 05:25 <xakh> I'll look it up
2010-05-30 06:08 <qi-commits> Xiangfu Liu: [gnuchess] add new package gnuchess, thanks to David Samblas http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/1e46c5a
2010-05-30 06:39 <black_Nightmare> hey
2010-05-30 06:39 <xiangfu> black_Nightmare: hi
2010-05-30 06:40 <black_Nightmare> was just looking for some other inspiration in hardware design online and came across the qi wiki .. seem interesting that I thought I would try the irc channel as well :)
2010-05-30 06:41 <black_Nightmare> so hmm yeah here I am heh
2010-05-30 06:42 <black_Nightmare> thinks I like the milkymist one
2010-05-30 06:43 <xiangfu> black_Nightmare: then Qi projects is the right place :-)
2010-05-30 06:45 <black_Nightmare> xiangfu so is opencores, wacom graphic card, etc ;)
2010-05-30 06:47 <black_Nightmare> anyway if you don't mind .. what you doing?
2010-05-30 06:48 <zear> so people are actually interested in thing on the qi-wiki beyond the nanonote project. Good to hear :)
2010-05-30 06:48 <zear> *things
2010-05-30 06:49 <black_Nightmare> zear lol ... you want know why I bothered looking? ;)
2010-05-30 06:49 <xiangfu> black_Nightmare: I am software engineer. develop NanoNote. most of low level code. :-)
2010-05-30 06:49 <zear> sure, why not :D
2010-05-30 06:50 <black_Nightmare> zear its because I'm tired of small laptops/notebooks that says they are laptops/notebooks when there's obviously almost no way to even hook up anything except perhaps a larger monitor or a mouse to put it short
2010-05-30 06:50 <black_Nightmare> I just call them all 'overpriced digital notepads' as thats what they seem to be... the milkymist on the other hand actually has plenty of useable ports .. and if it was me I could reuse serial for an internal modem card if I was needing to :)
2010-05-30 06:51 <black_Nightmare> I know its not supposed to be a desktop os hardware but still
2010-05-30 06:52 <zear> yeah, nanonote doesn't even try to call itself a full feature laptop
2010-05-30 06:52 <black_Nightmare> xiangfu heh nice .. is it assembly or something else?
2010-05-30 06:53 <xiangfu> black_Nightmare: c code. like u-boot.
2010-05-30 06:53 <black_Nightmare> ah ok
2010-05-30 06:54 <black_Nightmare> zear you're right about that ... the truth is that if I'm going to buy any kind of 10-14" laptop I want to actually be able to use it to get emails or watch a photo slideshow from the camera stick etc. something that the supposed cheap notebooks still can't do yet
2010-05-30 06:55 <zear> with the exception of lack of the net connection, nanonote should be able to do both of that tasks
2010-05-30 06:55 <black_Nightmare> xiangfu I sometimes wonder why some softwares sometimes have funny names .. like eg u-boot .. almost sounds like "you boot it"
2010-05-30 06:56 <black_Nightmare> :p
2010-05-30 06:56 <zear> as for reading/replying to mails, it might be handy if you connect it to the pc once a day to upload/download the mails
2010-05-30 06:56 <xiangfu> :-)
2010-05-30 06:56 <zear> good for people who have some sort of business and send a lot of emails in larger batches
2010-05-30 06:57 <black_Nightmare> btw is there a page for nanonote somewhere?
2010-05-30 06:57 <zear> yep
2010-05-30 06:58 <zear> main wiki, "platforms" section
2010-05-30 06:59 <zear> as for pictures slideshow, the two disadvantages i forsee are: long load time of huge pictures (2000+px), small resolution of the nanonote's screen (320x240)
2010-05-30 06:59 <zear> though we haven't tried to port/write any picture viewer yet, so nothing's sure
2010-05-30 06:59 <black_Nightmare> actually..its 420x320 to 1200x1024 photos :)
2010-05-30 07:01 <black_Nightmare> hmm looking at it I think I'll take the milkymist one instead
2010-05-30 07:01 <zear> the device has 336MHz mips cpu and 32MB ram
2010-05-30 07:01 <zear> dunno how that translates to pictures load time
2010-05-30 07:02 <black_Nightmare> zear .. try compare it to a powerpc 603e at 100mhz ;)
2010-05-30 07:02 <black_Nightmare> heh
2010-05-30 07:02 <zear> hehe
2010-05-30 07:03 <black_Nightmare> hmm that makes me wonder..
2010-05-30 07:03 <black_Nightmare> what do you two really think of x86 at all?
2010-05-30 07:04 <zear> i'm not a right person to ask, as i'm not a hardware specialist, but from what i was told/seen for so many years, x86 is outdated, eats too much power and emmits too much heat
2010-05-30 07:05 <black_Nightmare> hehehehehehehe....jeeze.... nice to see someone is so right up with me
2010-05-30 07:06 <black_Nightmare> 95W cpu just because I freaking want to be able to look at what you still try to call the "web" ... its just so wrong :p
2010-05-30 07:06 <zear> and x86 devices cannot be miniaturized as they need space for fans and other cooling stuff
2010-05-30 07:06 <black_Nightmare> zear yeah I never liked the Atom from the immedate start and still don't .. I mean ... its being stuckup-ly bundled with a hungry 945 chipset
2010-05-30 07:07 <black_Nightmare> even the newer ones that dropped the 945 finally...still aren't anywhere close to non-atom embedded cpus yet
2010-05-30 07:07 <zear> i never had to deal with an atom device, but it's x86 compatible and it pretty much killed the linux position on the netbooks market
2010-05-30 07:07 <zear> because x86 - you can run windows, so everyone will install that on it
2010-05-30 07:07 <black_Nightmare> who would bother put a 4W cpu with a 12W chipset for crying out loud
2010-05-30 07:08 <zear> and the device prices go up as vista/win7 costs a lot and they bind it with the device, you usually can't buy a system-free version
2010-05-30 07:08 <black_Nightmare> zear .. didn't NT4 actually run on several platforms for a short time back then?
2010-05-30 07:08 <black_Nightmare> ;)
2010-05-30 07:08 <zear> yeah, but the apps are still binary uncompatible
2010-05-30 07:09 <zear> that's the main reason windows sticks to x86 and x86 still dominating on the market
2010-05-30 07:09 <black_Nightmare> especially NT4/ppc (and the fact various faqs always had to keep pointing out it would never boot on macs)
2010-05-30 07:10 <black_Nightmare> zear .. opengl isn't uncompactible .. java isn't ... html4 is pretty much flatly neutral .. etc ... there's no point in trying to stick to windows when its as easy to go platofmr neutral
2010-05-30 07:10 <zear> of course that's not a problem in linux world, as you can recompile all the apps for your processor type
2010-05-30 07:10 <black_Nightmare> but blah
2010-05-30 07:10 <zear> and in windows you don't have source code of the programs ;)
2010-05-30 07:10 <zear> yeah, but people are used to windows
2010-05-30 07:10 <zear> and they also want games
2010-05-30 07:10 <black_Nightmare> where opengl doesn't run on there's a chance there's already another port (mesagl, etc) that would
2010-05-30 07:10 <zear> and windows binded them with directX 10
2010-05-30 07:11 <black_Nightmare> zear...several major publishers actually have opengl support (ironically some of them are the same one that have published their own mac/unix ports natively)
2010-05-30 07:11 <black_Nightmare> figured if you ask me
2010-05-30 07:11 <black_Nightmare> UT was one of these for some time before
2010-05-30 07:11 <zear> yeah, ID Tech, for example
2010-05-30 07:12 <zear> id software, i mean :)
2010-05-30 07:12 <zear> id tech is just their engine
2010-05-30 07:12 <zear> ut3 still isn't out for linux
2010-05-30 07:12 <black_Nightmare> zear and there's also these companies that work with others to port their game for them ... like eg Macsoft (not sure if that company is even aroun danymore)
2010-05-30 07:12 <zear> there is a closed beta though
2010-05-30 07:12 <black_Nightmare> Macsoft did Civilization II for starters
2010-05-30 07:13 <zear> civilization II for linux?
2010-05-30 07:13 <zear> or you mean mac?
2010-05-30 07:13 <black_Nightmare> mac yeah :)
2010-05-30 07:13 <zear> but mac as in macos, or the earlier mac systems?
2010-05-30 07:13 <black_Nightmare> I think thats why they named it after MACintosh SOFTware ;)
2010-05-30 07:13 <black_Nightmare> zear..as in macos
2010-05-30 07:14 <zear> i don't fully understand why so many games have macos (posix) version, but they never realeased them for linux
2010-05-30 07:14 <zear> while it shouldn't be that hard to do so once you get it running on mac
2010-05-30 07:17 <black_Nightmare> here's a scan of the boxart just for a little humor ;) http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Q00RAhb7L._SL500_AA300_.jpg
2010-05-30 07:18 <black_Nightmare> has everything except the box itself
2010-05-30 07:18 <zear> well, i prefer freeciv over civilization series :)
2010-05-30 07:25 <black_Nightmare> I just prefer games that can run without needing heavy emulating
2010-05-30 07:25 <black_Nightmare> to our own ;)
2010-05-30 07:32 <black_Nightmare> xiangfu mind talking about software coding or not now?
2010-05-30 09:12 <qwebirc52863> hello do it french user in this chat ?
2010-05-30 10:19 <qi-commits> Xiangfu Liu: [uboot-xburst] when boot from sd card load kernel from ext2 parition. http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/ff43eec
2010-05-30 11:31 <DingooDigitalUSA> Any one need Kingston SDHC Class 6 Flash Cards I have 4 each of the following 8GB 16GB 32GB
2010-05-30 11:31 <DingooDigitalUSA> Asking $40.00 USD for 32GB  $30.00 USD for 16GB and $20.00 USD for 8GB
2010-05-30 11:37 <kristianpaul> i need wifi :)
2010-05-30 11:37 <kristianpaul> or SlowFi ;)
2010-05-30 12:15 <qi-commits> Lars-Peter Clausen: Fix typo. http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/c8b42c4
2010-05-30 12:15 <qi-commits> Lars-Peter Clausen: dma sg http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/4d4598dc
2010-05-30 12:37 <qi-commits> Lars-Peter Clausen: Fix typo. http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/a62fe95
2010-05-30 13:13 <qi-commits> Xiangfu Liu: [imgv] new package: imgv, thanks to Fernando http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/9980185
2010-05-30 14:06 <rafa> tuxbrain: hey man, thanks. Now we can continue with jlime port ;)
2010-05-30 14:45 <black_Nightmare> hey
2010-05-30 16:19 <jan_> hello
2010-05-30 17:15 <tracbac> hello,
2010-05-30 17:18 <tracbac> I don't speak much English - is there a French-speaking channel on this theme?
2010-05-30 17:22 <rafa> tracbac: I do not know. But perhaps if you can write english mails you can get lot of info you need.
2010-05-30 17:25 <zear> tracbac, i don't know any, but with enough luck you can find a french speaking person here
2010-05-30 17:25 <zear> also, we don't mind poorly speaking people here
2010-05-30 17:25 <zear> if you only can construct understandable sentences (you can even help yourself with dictionaries), it should be fine :)
2010-05-30 17:26 <zear> google translate produces quite good translations nowadays, you can use that
2010-05-30 17:28 <tuxbrain> zear:I dissagree on the google (or any automatic) translation qualification of quite good... maximum "barely understandable" :P
2010-05-30 17:28 <zear> tuxbrain, enough for a conversation
2010-05-30 17:28 <zear> i remember a french person using google translate on #dingoonity
2010-05-30 17:28 <zear> and he was quite understandable
2010-05-30 17:29 <tuxbrain> is just trolling a little bit :)
2010-05-30 18:10 <tracbac> zear: ok, i will try to make understandable sentences
2010-05-30 18:12 <tracbac> so... I have a nanonote and I woud like to add an ethernet interface
2010-05-30 18:13 <tracbac> are this thing easy ?
2010-05-30 18:13 <tracbac> or, just possible
2010-05-30 18:14 <tracbac> there is anough space in the nanonote to add this interface ?
2010-05-30 18:15 <tracbac> (are my sentences understandable :D ?)
2010-05-30 18:15 <wejp> problem is, it is difficult or even impossible to connect something like that
2010-05-30 18:15 <wejp> it is not even a matter of space, but of connectivity
2010-05-30 18:16 <tracbac> ah ok
2010-05-30 18:16 <tracbac> and if I change de matherbord ?
2010-05-30 18:17 <tracbac> s/de/the/
2010-05-30 18:18 <zear> tracbac, your sentences are fine :)
2010-05-30 18:18 <wejp> you can have a look at the mainboard yourself, schematics and everything are available somewhere on the wiki. but as far as i know there are not enough free gpio connections, i could be wrong though, didn't have the time to do much hardware hacking on the nanonote yet
2010-05-30 18:19 <xakh> btw, if anyone didn't know
2010-05-30 18:19 <xakh> this thing has midnight commander
2010-05-30 18:20 <xakh> found that out last night thanks to wejp
2010-05-30 18:20 <tracbac> or just try to solder an aditive connectivity ?
2010-05-30 18:20 <xakh> it seems random
2010-05-30 18:20 <urandom__> i use mc like every day on my ben :P
2010-05-30 18:21 <urandom__> just had to type "mc" to find out :P
2010-05-30 18:22 <tracbac> but, how "did you" (I no, this is a wrong sentence) to connect the nanonote to internet ?
2010-05-30 18:23 <tracbac> all the usb modem's are incompatible whith linux
2010-05-30 18:23 <tracbac> s/whith/with/
2010-05-30 18:24 <tracbac> and internet with usb is not very clean...
2010-05-30 18:26 <dptech> hello, can i have a nanonote with azerty keyboard ?
2010-05-30 18:28 <tracbac> dptech, if you are a frensh speaker I recomended you the BÉPO disposition join #bepo (in french)
2010-05-30 18:29 <dptech> many thanks, i'm going to buy and it 's fun!
2010-05-30 18:30 <tracbac> eh ! dptech BÉPO are just a disposal of keys like azerty
2010-05-30 18:31 <tracbac> but in #bepo you will not find a nanonot with azerty disposal
2010-05-30 18:32 <dptech> I see web site at same time... I understand!
2010-05-30 18:33 <dptech> So it's not probleme to use qwerty!
2010-05-30 18:35 <dptech> tracbac: Are you a developer  ?
2010-05-30 18:35 <tracbac> dptech: no but i would like :D
2010-05-30 18:41 <dptech> tracbac: You live in Republic of Mauritius ? You can speak french ?
2010-05-30 18:42 <tracbac> dptech: No I am living in morocco and I speek french
2010-05-30 18:43 <dptech> C'est bien sur! J'essayais de comprendre l'interet d'un nanonote à travers le monde!
2010-05-30 18:43 <tracbac> s/speek/speak/
2010-05-30 18:43 <tracbac> on essaille de deffendre le libre partout (sorry for every buddy)
2010-05-30 18:43 <dptech> ton surnom Napoleon est bien francais, arf
2010-05-30 18:43 <tracbac> s/essaille/essaye/
2010-05-30 18:43 <tracbac> n'apeche je suis marocain ^^
2010-05-30 18:44 <dptech> pareil pour moi, je suis un linuxien convaincu
2010-05-30 18:44 <dptech> Ne t'inquietes pas j'ai compris!
2010-05-30 18:44 <tracbac> (je fais beaucoup de fôte d'orthogaffe qui me vallent d'incessante remarques ^^)
2010-05-30 18:45 <tracbac> tu pense que l'on devrais continue la dicution en privé ?
2010-05-30 18:45 <dptech> Je ne t'ai rien dit au sujet des fotes dortografe   ;-)
2010-05-30 18:46 <tracbac> (j'ai ouvert un MP ;-)
2010-05-30 21:04 <xakh> DingooDigitalUSA: Does the Dingoo have a drawing program?
2010-05-30 21:22 <DingooDigitalUSA> no