2010-05-26 04:11 tuxbrain_away, opencore's ethmac is bloated 2010-05-26 04:11 milkymist's minimac should fit without problem on the sakc 2010-05-26 04:18 lekernel: hey I was wondering... 2010-05-26 04:19 you mentioned several times someone should try to reverse-enginee the xilinx binary format 2010-05-26 04:19 I finally warm up to this idea, see the need, etc. How hard do you think this really is? 2010-05-26 04:20 not very hard 2010-05-26 04:20 there is already a methodology, some tools and info available at ulogic.org 2010-05-26 04:20 but all of this is very dirty and the guys didn't properly finish the work 2010-05-26 04:21 the hard part, however, is to write a synthesis frontend - despite the fact all docs are available for this 2010-05-26 04:32 lekernel: mmm  good , maybe in parallel of SACK production we have to start a FPGA library, like opencores but more open, only need to register to upload not to download, an also offering compiled bit files ready to upload to the FPGA at least on SACK 2010-05-26 04:32 more quality as well... 2010-05-26 04:32 99% of opencores sucks technically 2010-05-26 04:35 I have no such criteria  to know what is good and what is bad, then this migh require levels of quality to let the newbies like me also upload some crappy developments meanwhile is tagged as such. 2010-05-26 04:37 opencores also has such a tagging system... the problem is it's self-assessed, and people tend to overestimate their design skills 2010-05-26 04:37 I mean, it's *really* a problem 2010-05-26 04:37 most opencores design aren't just bad, they're way beyond that 2010-05-26 04:37 I'm thinking more on expert group of moderators 2010-05-26 04:38 but will be hard to find to do it for free, usually those kind of experts had work enough for trhee lives 2010-05-26 04:40 yeah... maybe just a distributed review system might be fit 2010-05-26 04:40 you can attribute a note to other people's code 2010-05-26 04:40 and your note weights more if yourself has got good reviews 2010-05-26 04:41 not bad idea indeed 2010-05-26 04:41 seriously something has to be done about quality 2010-05-26 04:41 otherwise the whole open source logic design thing is just going to be a bunch of crap 2010-05-26 04:42 I agree and more if this finally is intended to do ASIC at the end 2010-05-26 04:46 wolfspraul: maybe a interfero as backend to make the cores colaborative friendly with a frontend  with enchanced navigation ant this evaluation system? (not for be done tomorrow but to have in mind) 2010-05-26 04:50 regarding mini-mac, that means than uploading this module taking care of the I/O pins I can plug a rj45 and voilá 2010-05-26 04:50 er, no 2010-05-26 04:50 well for the connection to the RJ45 yes 2010-05-26 04:51 but at the other end you have a DMA master and a CSR control interface 2010-05-26 04:51 that need to be connected into a SoC 2010-05-26 04:51 hehehe I expect that anwswer 2010-05-26 04:51 btw it's not connected directly to the RJ45, but through a MII PHY 2010-05-26 04:53 and this MII PHY can be also implemented in FPGA? 2010-05-26 04:54 no, it contains analogue electronics 2010-05-26 04:54 ok 2010-05-26 05:01 so RJ45->MII PHY->(on FPGA)mini-mac->(on FPGA)Interface with CPU->(kernel)device driver->voilá? 2010-05-26 05:02 yes 2010-05-26 05:06 then is "just" matter of find a MII PHY thing , develop a interface with CPU, I hope we can use some already done device driver and "that's all" to have Ethernet on SACK.... damn 2010-05-26 05:06 there isn't any already done device driver 2010-05-26 05:06 double damn 2010-05-26 05:06 btw minimac (as well as opencore's ethmac) is meant for using in a SoC 2010-05-26 05:07 so they expect to DMA directly into the CPU memory, simply as another bus master 2010-05-26 05:07 this might not be possible with the xburst 2010-05-26 05:07 a workaround, however, is to put a SRAM in the FPGA 2010-05-26 05:07 and now give me the good news 2010-05-26 05:08 make the minimac DMA into it 2010-05-26 05:08 map it into the xburst memory space 2010-05-26 05:08 and then make the drivers put all the ethernet buffers into that SRAM 2010-05-26 05:09 the good news? well 2010-05-26 05:09 milkymist can do TFTP netboot, respond to ping, and run a webserver using minimac 2010-05-26 05:09 today 2010-05-26 05:09 so the core pretty much works 2010-05-26 05:11 let's define the good news as is theoretically posible to do so :) 2010-05-26 10:50 larsc: tuxbrain : does somebody have thought to do some boot loader? I was thinking in this idea : 2010-05-26 10:50 - kernel on nand has set kexec 2010-05-26 10:51 - kernel boots and starts a minimal ramfs which loads and boots another kernel in rootfs nand. 2010-05-26 10:51 This idea could be useful to (perhaps) to update the rootfs distribution without the usb mode thing which is a little ugly to do. 2010-05-26 10:53 well, at least I think that we will try this idea in Jlime (if kristoffer agrees with me to try it ;) ) 2010-05-26 10:54 (i am talking about ben nn BTW :) ) 2010-05-26 11:21 rafa: whats wrong with uboot? 2010-05-26 11:24 larsc: nothing is wrong I think. I am thinking some way to avoid Boot your NanoNote into USB BOOT mode to update ben nanonote software 2010-05-26 11:25 i would like to use dfu-util. 2010-05-26 11:26 mirko wants to use a simple webinterface though 2010-05-26 11:27 but yeah, kexec would be another option 2010-05-26 11:28 larsc: okey, but I would try a pure software way with the current nn configuration/software. So we could update the rootfs just booting nn and before to kexec the current rootfs distro. 2010-05-26 11:29 larsc: so... you like the idea ? (I would like your opinion to know if it is a waste of time :) ) 2010-05-26 11:33 still undecided. but i think it's worth looking at it. 2010-05-26 16:22 So, I have a friend that wrote a game originally for J2ME phones, meant to run at SVGA resolution 2010-05-26 16:23 well, originally for QVGA 2010-05-26 16:23 but can be patched 2010-05-26 16:24 so, if he could get it ported, and running nicely, you think we could have it included in the main image, as one of the programs to showcase the nano? 2010-05-26 16:24 http://batterypoweredgames.blogspot.com/2009/10/angstron-2-droid-hunter-final-release.html 2010-05-26 16:24 link 2010-05-26 18:33 hey 2010-05-26 18:33 I can't get the date to stay set 2010-05-26 18:33 can anyone help? 2010-05-26 18:33 like, every boot or every other boot it reverts back to 1970 2010-05-26 18:35 xakh, is the battery charged? 2010-05-26 18:35 also, if you pull the battery out, the RTC will reset 2010-05-26 18:35 yes 2010-05-26 18:35 the what? 2010-05-26 18:35 real time clock 2010-05-26 18:35 ah. 2010-05-26 18:35 Wait. 2010-05-26 18:35 thing that keeps the time when the system is off 2010-05-26 18:35 it has a short in it, and if I drop it it turns off. 2010-05-26 18:35 lemme check something 2010-05-26 18:36 okay 2010-05-26 18:36 every time it turns off 2010-05-26 18:36 it resets 2010-05-26 18:36 like, no matter what 2010-05-26 18:36 xakh, remove the battery and plug in the usb 2010-05-26 18:36 ok 2010-05-26 18:36 does it still reset when you reboot? 2010-05-26 18:37 lemme check 2010-05-26 18:37 also, it seems the hardware clock works fine 2010-05-26 18:37 hard to explain 2010-05-26 18:37 it's been six days since I bought it, and it claims it's the 6th day in february 2010-05-26 18:39 and the date says it's january 6 2010-05-26 18:39 1970 2010-05-26 18:39 so the hw clock works fine 2010-05-26 18:39 it just won't let me change it 2010-05-26 18:40 what command do you use to set the clock? 2010-05-26 18:40 date 2010-05-26 18:40 by default "date" sets only the system clock, not the hardware clock 2010-05-26 18:40 and it even resets when I reboot 2010-05-26 18:40 ohhhhhhh 2010-05-26 18:40 it needs an extra option to do so 2010-05-26 18:40 what's the option? 2010-05-26 18:41 or maybe it's even a separate command 2010-05-26 18:41 on my desktop there is the "hwclock" command to copy system time to the hwclock 2010-05-26 18:42 but I think on the Dingoo it was an extra option to "date" 2010-05-26 18:42 I don't have a NanoNote myself 2010-05-26 18:42 but try "date --help" or "man date" 2010-05-26 18:42 I did 2010-05-26 18:42 it was an option in hwclock 2010-05-26 18:43 lemme check 2010-05-26 18:44 you guys rock. 2010-05-26 18:44 it worked! 2010-05-26 18:45 gimme a sec 2010-05-26 18:45 haha! 2010-05-26 18:46 it even works when you yank out the battery! 2010-05-26 19:05 xakh, not for long 2010-05-26 19:06 it needs the source of power to keep the clock alive 2010-05-26 19:06 Well, I'll keep it charged up a bit. 2010-05-26 19:08 is that a feature request for the Ya? 2010-05-26 21:52 so I really wanna get cracking porting stuff over to the NanoNote 2010-05-26 21:52 where do we start? 2010-05-26 21:52 *I 2010-05-26 21:59 hey, guys. I decided to start a little project. 2010-05-26 22:00 I'm going to attempt to compile leafpad on the nanonote 2010-05-26 22:00 so I can use it for quick note taking 2010-05-26 22:00 http://tarot.freeshell.org/leafpad/ for anyone that doesn't know what I'm talking about 2010-05-26 22:26 hey 2010-05-26 22:26 is anyone on? 2010-05-26 22:26 I need to add a user to the nanonote 2010-05-26 22:29 xakh: you are often in irc when not many people are around :-) 2010-05-26 22:29 are you in the US? 2010-05-26 22:29 yup. 2010-05-26 22:30 but I try to stay up late to get in touch with you guys 2010-05-26 22:30 west coast? 2010-05-26 22:30 for instance it's 2230 here 2010-05-26 22:30 no, I'm in West Virginia 2010-05-26 22:30 I'm in China, so you often catch me, but even though I would like to do more hacking, in the end all my time is wasted running aroud meeting people, vendors, etc. 2010-05-26 22:30 haha 2010-05-26 22:30 yeah 2010-05-26 22:30 horrible 2010-05-26 22:30 ouch 2010-05-26 22:30 I can barely catch up building stuff for my Nano. 2010-05-26 22:31 too many things going on too fast 2010-05-26 22:31 well, I have a tiny hack right now 2010-05-26 22:31 still haven't even tried Debian! argh... 2010-05-26 22:31 you have something you would like to feedback/commit to the openwrt builds? 2010-05-26 22:31 I can't find the adduser system 2010-05-26 22:32 Well, I have a friend who made games designed for J2ME phones 2010-05-26 22:32 and he's working to port a free software shooter 2010-05-26 22:33 it uses code to actively turn SVG files into meshes, making it able to run on 16mb of RAM 2010-05-26 22:34 but anyway, right now I'm trying to hack in a new user 2010-05-26 22:35 understood, but don't know the answer 2010-05-26 22:36 dang. 2010-05-26 22:40 Well, you think we could include a compact adduser in the next release? 2010-05-26 22:50 waves 2010-05-26 22:50 hallo 2010-05-26 22:50 xakh: sure but I don't know enough about openwrt 2010-05-26 22:50 dang 2010-05-26 22:50 Hey! How goes? 2010-05-26 22:50 it's an openwrt question 2010-05-26 22:52 FrankBlues: goes well, thanks. how about you? 2010-05-26 22:52 VICE keeps complaining my hardware isn't fast enough... 2010-05-26 22:52 pretty good myself 2010-05-26 22:53 But other than that I'm doing well, thanks! 2010-05-26 22:57 hm 2010-05-26 22:57 I'm having an annoying problem. 2010-05-26 22:58 Oh? 2010-05-26 23:00 yeah 2010-05-26 23:00 tar -x seems to just hang 2010-05-26 23:01 I'm trying to compile something 2010-05-26 23:11 hey 2010-05-26 23:11 does this thing not have gcc? 2010-05-26 23:12 wolfspraul: do you know if the NanoNote has gcc? 2010-05-26 23:12 because this file says I don't have it 2010-05-26 23:14 xakh: I'm pretty sure I heard someone saying they have gcc running on the NanoNote, but forgot the details 2010-05-26 23:15 let me check whether it's in the packages we are building... 2010-05-26 23:15 ok 2010-05-26 23:16 xakh: no it's not 2010-05-26 23:17 http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/packages/openwrt/xburst/2010-04-25/ 2010-05-26 23:17 so what I remember must have been on Debian 2010-05-26 23:17 ahh 2010-05-26 23:17 wolfspraul: is there a way to get gcc running? 2010-05-26 23:19 Debian? 2010-05-26 23:19 :-) 2010-05-26 23:19 hehehehe 2010-05-26 23:19 Debian doesn't have gmenu2x though 2010-05-26 23:23 seriously, though 2010-05-26 23:26 can I get it on an ipk? 2010-05-26 23:27 don't know 2010-05-26 23:27 it's not included in the packages we build 2010-05-26 23:27 :( 2010-05-26 23:27 another option is to check the packages openwrt upstream builds 2010-05-26 23:27 one sec 2010-05-26 23:27 how do you build without a way to compile? 2010-05-26 23:28 no, same 2010-05-26 23:28 http://backfire.openwrt.org/10.03/xburst/packages/ 2010-05-26 23:29 xakh: openwrt is a cross-compilation environment 2010-05-26 23:29 which means... 2010-05-26 23:32 there's a libgcc 2010-05-26 23:32 is that similar? 2010-05-26 23:37 no 2010-05-26 23:37 I'd say the quickest way to get gcc to your Nano is to try Debian 2010-05-26 23:37 alright. I've just got all kinds of cool stuff 2010-05-26 23:42 hey. 2010-05-26 23:42 you think you could compile the package for me? 2010-05-26 23:46 I think if you have something post the links to the developer list, someone will get to it first... 2010-05-26 23:46 I don't have the build environment setup here. 2010-05-26 23:46 ok 2010-05-26 23:48 uhm.... 2010-05-26 23:48 where's the dev list? 2010-05-26 23:48 developer@lists.qi-hardware.com 2010-05-26 23:49 it's better if you subscribe, http://en.qi-hardware.com/mailman/listinfo/developer 2010-05-26 23:56 okay, now that I'm subscribed 2010-05-26 23:56 how do I post? 2010-05-26 23:58 oh, wait, I got it.