2010-05-24 02:19 <xakh> hey
2010-05-24 02:19 <xakh> what's the syntax for setting the date?
2010-05-24 02:41 <wolfspraul> date again, someone was going insane yesterday over the date. was that you?
2010-05-24 02:43 <xakh> indeed.
2010-05-24 02:43 <xakh> I found out why.
2010-05-24 02:43 <xakh> you have to put the year at the beginning of the string
2010-05-24 02:43 <xakh> not the end
2010-05-24 02:43 <xakh> because of the way BusyBox handles it
2010-05-24 05:15 <DocScrutinizZzer> busybox is crap. It's a script interpreter optimized for execution speed and low I/O load, for example to boot up small devices. It never was meant for interactive use
2010-05-24 07:54 <andrewwwww> I want to add Sox to my Nanonote, I've got the latest official image flashed onto the nn and I've been reading about the commands git and make menuconfig are these commands I run from the usbboot tool?
2010-05-24 08:51 <xiangfu> hi andrewwwww
2010-05-24 08:53 <gbraad> hi xiangfu
2010-05-24 08:53 <xiangfu> gbraad: hi
2010-05-24 08:53 <gbraad> will you be at the next meeting of BeijingLUG?
2010-05-24 08:53 <gbraad> is a friend of rejon (Jon)
2010-05-24 08:54 <xiangfu> gbraad: not sure.
2010-05-24 08:54 <gbraad> would be cool if we could meet up.
2010-05-24 08:54 <gbraad> but else some other time is also ok.
2010-05-24 08:55 <gbraad> xiangfu: no prob. catch you some other time. will see wolfgang first then...
2010-05-24 08:55 <xiangfu> gbraad: ok.
2010-05-24 08:56 <gbraad> btw, you show interest in Fedora? also noticed you in fedora-zh
2010-05-24 09:06 <xiangfu> gbraad: no. I join the fedora-cn because one news.
2010-05-24 09:07 <xiangfu> gbraad: they are port fedora to mips. so I join that channel. but seems that channel not very active about mips :-)
2010-05-24 09:17 <andrewwwww> hello
2010-05-24 09:18 <gbraad> xiangfu: I do the port with a friend of mine ;)
2010-05-24 09:18 <gbraad> xiangfu: we are in #fedora-mips
2010-05-24 09:19 <xiangfu> gbraad: oh. great.
2010-05-24 09:19 <gbraad> xiangfu: was one of the reason I would like to talk with you
2010-05-24 09:21 <gbraad> xiangfu: eventually we want to support the Ingenic/Nanonote but still need to straighten out some issues with our distro
2010-05-24 09:25 <xiangfu> gbraad: great. fedora in Nanonote.
2010-05-24 09:26 <xiangfu> andrewwwww: is the sox work in your nanonote ??
2010-05-24 09:28 <andrewwwww> oh, I think I'm setting up the package manager git, just waiting for the terminal.
2010-05-24 09:29 <andrewwwww> I think I'm on the right track
2010-05-24 09:29 <wolfspraul> I thought sox was included? I remember it was once, then we had to kick it out because of libmad/mp3 dependencies.
2010-05-24 09:30 <andrewwwww> yeah thats right
2010-05-24 09:30 <wolfspraul> but we will try to get it back in asap without patented codecs, at least hopefully that's easy to configure out
2010-05-24 09:30 <andrewwwww> well I'm just learning about how to add packages myself
2010-05-24 09:31 <andrewwwww> I like this nanonote a lot, it is teaching me a lot about linux that modern distros gloss over with gui interfaces
2010-05-24 09:31 <xiangfu> andrewwwww: great.
2010-05-24 09:32 <wolfspraul> andrewwwww: yes! :-) glad you see it that way
2010-05-24 09:36 <kyak> [A
2010-05-24 09:36 <kyak> hello guys
2010-05-24 09:37 <kyak> [A
2010-05-24 09:37 <wolfspraul> hey
2010-05-24 09:38 <kyak> i'll be hanging here for a while now :)
2010-05-24 09:39 <wolfspraul> that's nice to hear, welcome!
2010-05-24 09:39 <kyak> i was talking to Yi Zhang via e-mail, and he suggested IRC for a faster comminucation
2010-05-24 09:39 <kyak> so zhangyi, thanks for invitation, i'm leaving right now and talk to you later!
2010-05-24 09:40 <zhangyi> kyak: r u michael?
2010-05-24 09:40 <kyak> i am
2010-05-24 09:40 <zhangyi> nice
2010-05-24 09:40 <kyak> good :)
2010-05-24 09:41 <kyak> so when i'm back home, i'll check your shop
2010-05-24 09:42 <zhangyi> kyak: good, thanks. we haven't turned it on yet
2010-05-24 09:42 <kyak> all right
2010-05-24 09:43 <zhangyi> kyak: how about we set up a time slot today or tomorrow?
2010-05-24 09:43 <kyak> tomorrow is a good day
2010-05-24 09:44 <zhangyi> sounds good. just give me a time frame, then mirko and I will go through the payment with u
2010-05-24 09:44 <zhangyi> kyak: thanks so much!
2010-05-24 09:45 <zhangyi> kyak: ounds good. just give me a time frame, then mirko and I will go through the payment with u
2010-05-24 09:45 <kyak> so you're 4 hours ahead, is it ok for you to do it in the evening?
2010-05-24 09:46 <zhangyi> kyak: evening is not a problem for me
2010-05-24 09:46 <kyak> i'm back home at 19:30, it's 23:30 your time
2010-05-24 09:46 <zhangyi> kyak: that will be fine
2010-05-24 09:46 <kyak> good, then let's keep in touch
2010-05-24 09:47 <zhangyi> kyak: so 19:30 for you and 23:30 for me. great!
2010-05-24 09:47 <kyak> yes!
2010-05-24 09:47 <zhangyi> kyak: vegyraupe will help us on this
2010-05-24 09:48 <zhangyi> kyak: vegyraupe is the king of the shop :)
2010-05-24 09:48 <kyak> ok, so we know whom to blame :)
2010-05-24 09:49 <zhangyi> kyak: haha, here you go
2010-05-24 09:49 <vegyraupe> kyak: more the servant who tries to keep things running ;)
2010-05-24 09:49 <kyak> a good king is always a servant to his people :)
2010-05-24 09:49 <zhangyi> vegyraupe: would 17:30 tomorrow be okay with you?
2010-05-24 09:50 <vegyraupe> i thought 19:30 ...
2010-05-24 09:50 <vegyraupe> confused
2010-05-24 09:50 <vegyraupe> sure
2010-05-24 09:50 <vegyraupe> 17:30 tomorrow should work
2010-05-24 09:51 <zhangyi> vegyraupe: 19:30 is for kyak. he is in Russia
2010-05-24 09:51 <vegyraupe> ah
2010-05-24 09:51 <vegyraupe> ok
2010-05-24 09:51 <vegyraupe> so tuesday 17:30
2010-05-24 09:51 <vegyraupe> (for me)
2010-05-24 09:51 <zhangyi> vegyraupe: yep
2010-05-24 09:52 <kyak> got to go now guys.. se you later
2010-05-24 09:52 <vegyraupe> 19:30 in Russia
2010-05-24 09:52 <vegyraupe> 22:30 in China
2010-05-24 09:52 <vegyraupe> got it :)
2010-05-24 09:52 <vegyraupe> kyak: thx and ttyl
2010-05-24 09:52 <zhangyi> vegyraupe: yes :)
2010-05-24 09:52 <vegyraupe> perfect
2010-05-24 09:53 <zhangyi> kyak: yes, thank you indeed! we see you tomorrow
2010-05-24 10:02 <xiangfu> Hi which is the better ways for add 'imgv' to openwrt-package.git ? 1. add the 'imgv' source code to openwrt-package.git 2. create a project somewhere, then add 'makefile' to openwrt-package.git like usual.
2010-05-24 10:56 <qi-commits> Xiangfu Liu: add jiri.brozovsky ports. http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/4650771
2010-05-24 11:08 <qi-commits> Xiangfu Liu: remove the initial file http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/4f7eaef
2010-05-24 13:10 <xakh> hey zear, hey guys
2010-05-24 13:11 <zear> hey xakh
2010-05-24 13:11 <xakh> I lost my sd card
2010-05-24 13:11 <xakh> :(
2010-05-24 13:11 <zear> baww.. at home or outside?
2010-05-24 13:17 <qwebirc75597> nick xakh
2010-05-24 13:17 <qwebirc75597> oops
2010-05-24 13:17 <xakh> there
2010-05-24 13:17 <xakh> thing I was on messed up
2010-05-24 13:19 <xakh> anyway, I'm going to install doom to my actual nanonote now, instead of relying on the SD card.
2010-05-24 13:19 <xakh> can windows extract tar files?
2010-05-24 13:19 <xakh> I have to work from a uni computer
2010-05-24 13:19 <xakh> since I left my laptop behind.
2010-05-24 13:25 <xakh> hello? anyone here?
2010-05-24 13:29 <xakh> zear: can the nanonote open .zip files?
2010-05-24 13:29 <zear> xakh, with the right commandline app - yes :)
2010-05-24 13:30 <xakh> what app is that?
2010-05-24 13:30 <zear> mc with the right plugin could do it too
2010-05-24 13:30 <zear> unzip i think
2010-05-24 13:30 <xakh> okay, is that preinstalled?
2010-05-24 13:30 <zear> no idea
2010-05-24 13:30 <xakh> crap.
2010-05-24 13:30 <xakh> I have to work from Windows and I'm trying to load things onto the nano
2010-05-24 13:30 <zear> also i'm not familiar if it's in the repo, but you can always check it
2010-05-24 13:30 <xakh> well the only way
2010-05-24 13:30 <xakh> I have right now to get stuff on it is SD
2010-05-24 13:32 <xakh> okay, made a tar of prboom
2010-05-24 13:32 <xakh> woot
2010-05-24 13:33 <zear> xakh, yep, unzip is preinstalled :D
2010-05-24 13:33 <xakh> zear: think you can help me get through copying the prboom tar file to my nano
2010-05-24 13:33 <xakh> cool.
2010-05-24 13:33 <xakh> well, I wasn't sure, so I made a tar
2010-05-24 13:33 <zear> xakh, i think i can, but i can't promise a success :D
2010-05-24 13:33 <xakh> no worries
2010-05-24 13:35 <xakh> zear, what folder do you put stuff you want to show up on gmenu2x?
2010-05-24 13:36 <zear> xakh, currently it has to be /card
2010-05-24 13:36 <xakh> okay, sweet
2010-05-24 13:36 <zear> though larsc made some changes and the git version can read /
2010-05-24 13:36 <zear> but the preinstalled version is still the old one with /card
2010-05-24 13:36 <xakh> that's okay, card works for me
2010-05-24 13:37 <xakh> man, I hate how long file transfers take on this thing
2010-05-24 13:37 <xakh> ok
2010-05-24 13:37 <xakh> I have the tar file in here
2010-05-24 13:38 <xakh> heh, it's 13:37 here. neat.
2010-05-24 13:38 <xakh> anyway
2010-05-24 13:38 <xakh> I already put the freedoom wad in here
2010-05-24 13:38 <xakh> so what's the command to extract a regular tar file (with gz) to this folder?
2010-05-24 13:39 <zear> hah, i wish i knew, let me check
2010-05-24 13:39 <xakh> alrighty
2010-05-24 13:39 <xakh> I know it starts with tar, but still
2010-05-24 13:39 <zear> man says it's: tar -xvvf file.tar
2010-05-24 13:40 <xakh> lol
2010-05-24 13:40 <xakh> it says "invalid tar magic"
2010-05-24 13:41 <xakh> you think I should only put one v?
2010-05-24 13:41 <zear> no idea :D
2010-05-24 13:41 <xakh> nope, that didn't work either
2010-05-24 13:41 <xakh> lol
2010-05-24 13:41 <xakh> hm
2010-05-24 13:41 <xakh> gotta find that command
2010-05-24 13:42 <zear> xakh, maybe "tar -xf"
2010-05-24 13:42 <xakh> ok
2010-05-24 13:42 <zear> man, i need to finally learn the meaning of that flags :D
2010-05-24 13:42 <xakh> lol me too
2010-05-24 13:42 <xakh> still failed
2010-05-24 13:43 <zear> can't you just mount the card on your desktop pc and extract it on there?
2010-05-24 13:43 <xakh> yeah, but how do I move an entire folder?
2010-05-24 13:43 <xakh> I have an unextracted file in the sd card
2010-05-24 13:44 <xakh> the only command I know for moving files is cp
2010-05-24 13:44 <xakh> and that only works for files, not folders
2010-05-24 13:46 <zear> cp -Rf will move a folder
2010-05-24 13:46 <xakh> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.meego.devel/1713
2010-05-24 13:46 <xakh> really?
2010-05-24 13:46 <zear> yep
2010-05-24 13:46 <xakh> oh, well screw this tar nonsense
2010-05-24 13:46 <zear> copy it, i mean
2010-05-24 13:46 <zear> mv -Rf will move it
2010-05-24 13:48 <xakh> heh
2010-05-24 13:48 <xakh> alright, copying that.
2010-05-24 13:48 <zear> i don't know if both flags are necessary, but it works :)
2010-05-24 13:48 <zear> -R stands for recursive, so with all the files and folders
2010-05-24 13:48 <xakh> then after it's in card
2010-05-24 13:49 <xakh> what do I do to make it show up on gmenu2x?
2010-05-24 13:49 <zear> press esc
2010-05-24 13:49 <zear> a menu will appear
2010-05-24 13:49 <zear> then select the "add entry" or something like that
2010-05-24 13:49 <zear> choose the right file from the file browser
2010-05-24 13:49 <zear> accept it
2010-05-24 13:49 <zear> and that's it
2010-05-24 13:51 <xakh> nice, really?
2010-05-24 13:52 <xakh> crap, what's "b" again?
2010-05-24 13:52 <xakh> is it x?
2010-05-24 13:53 <xakh> it was!
2010-05-24 13:53 <xakh> sweet. I now have doom on the desktop.
2010-05-24 13:53 <xakh> and just in time, I have to go.
2010-05-24 13:53 <zear> try if it runs
2010-05-24 13:53 <xakh> it did!
2010-05-24 13:53 <xakh> woot.
2010-05-24 13:53 <zear> ah, marvelous!
2010-05-24 13:53 <xakh> see ya soon
2010-05-24 13:53 <zear> http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Gmenu2x here's a key translation
2010-05-24 13:53 <zear> cya
2010-05-24 13:54 <zear> xakh, i hope the entry won't disappear after a reboot
2010-05-24 13:54 <zear> gmenu2x uses to remove links when the files don't exist anymore
2010-05-24 13:54 <zear> and the card is not automounted in the latest image
2010-05-24 13:55 <zear> i dunno if it only hides it from the menu, or removes it
2010-05-24 13:56 <tuxbrain_away> only hide don't worry
2010-05-24 13:56 <tuxbrain> kristianpaul: ping you where serching for me?
2010-05-24 13:59 <nebajoth> anyone here got debian running on their NN?
2010-05-24 13:59 <tuxbrain> I'm anyone
2010-05-24 14:00 <nebajoth> tuxbrain: does apt-get work for you?
2010-05-24 14:00 <tuxbrain> like a charm
2010-05-24 14:00 <nebajoth> interesting.
2010-05-24 14:00 <nebajoth> which ubi are you using?
2010-05-24 14:00 <nebajoth> one of the pyneo ones?
2010-05-24 14:01 <nebajoth> or did you roll your own debian filesystem?
2010-05-24 14:01 <tuxbrain> http://www.tuxbrain.com/en/content/%E6%9C%AC-ben-nanonote-editingcompilingflashing-arduino-sketch
2010-05-24 14:01 <tuxbrain> here is how I got it working
2010-05-24 14:01 <nebajoth> beauty
2010-05-24 14:01 <nebajoth> the pyneo filesystems won't work for me
2010-05-24 14:01 <nebajoth> well, they work
2010-05-24 14:02 <nebajoth> but apt-get fails
2010-05-24 14:02 <nebajoth> with a Bus error
2010-05-24 14:02 <nebajoth> going to try this debian-sid.ubi :D
2010-05-24 14:02 <tuxbrain> the only thing Is not working out of the box was ssh, but reinstalling it with apt-get it solves
2010-05-24 14:02 <nebajoth> awesome
2010-05-24 14:03 <nebajoth> what applications are you running on it besides arduino-programming stuff?
2010-05-24 14:03 <tuxbrain> really nothing yet,
2010-05-24 14:03 <nebajoth> does sound work?
2010-05-24 14:05 <tuxbrain> I don't know on the nano I installed debian  I have broken sound badly (in hardware) I only have one of the stereo lines and is not the speaker so I don't have even try it
2010-05-24 14:05 <nebajoth> ah
2010-05-24 14:05 <nebajoth> ok
2010-05-24 14:05 <nebajoth> gracias por responder a mis preguntas
2010-05-24 14:06 <tuxbrain> hey where are you from?
2010-05-24 14:06 <nebajoth> canada
2010-05-24 14:06 <tuxbrain> good spanish indeed :P
2010-05-24 14:06 <nebajoth> google helped
2010-05-24 14:06 <nebajoth> I've seen your arduino stuff before
2010-05-24 14:06 <nebajoth> and remembered you are from Spain
2010-05-24 14:07 <nebajoth> thank yous are always nicer in your own tongue
2010-05-24 14:07 <tuxbrain> :D yes mercí
2010-05-24 14:07 <nebajoth> haha
2010-05-24 14:08 <tuxbrain> well depending on what part of canada you are of course :P
2010-05-24 14:08 <nebajoth> I'm anglo
2010-05-24 14:08 <nebajoth> but I know french
2010-05-24 14:08 <nebajoth> what is your favourite arduino project right now?
2010-05-24 14:09 <tuxbrain> uff, hard to say,
2010-05-24 14:10 <nebajoth> top three then :P
2010-05-24 14:10 <nebajoth> a couple of us in my town are considering starting up a hackerspace
2010-05-24 14:10 <nebajoth> and obviously arduinos are a great core around which to build such a thing
2010-05-24 14:11 <nebajoth> so it'd help me out if you could just list 3-5 nifty things done with arduinos
2010-05-24 14:12 <tuxbrain> great :) , I recomend than you create one your self not just copy, but that was really like it are ones with motors (stepper or just DC) involved
2010-05-24 14:12 <tuxbrain> servos also :)
2010-05-24 14:12 <nebajoth> robotttsss
2010-05-24 14:12 <tuxbrain> yeah kind of
2010-05-24 14:12 <nebajoth> yeah, the closest hackerspace to us, in Detroit, does a lot of robots
2010-05-24 14:12 <nebajoth> kind of?
2010-05-24 14:13 <nebajoth> what are you personally working on?
2010-05-24 14:14 <tuxbrain> VIctor and I are transforming a toy with simple DC motors in someting more "inteligent" adding potentiometers to control position and appling pwm and PID to increase precision
2010-05-24 14:14 <nebajoth> what is the toy you are basing it on?
2010-05-24 14:14 <tuxbrain> it's an little "robotic" arm
2010-05-24 14:14 <nebajoth> what do you envision its purpose to be?
2010-05-24 14:16 <tuxbrain> like this one http://www.wishmaker.com.tw/cubecat/front/bin/ptlist.phtml?Category=181
2010-05-24 14:16 <nebajoth> oh cool
2010-05-24 14:16 <tuxbrain> porpouse? heheeheh mmmm ... you mean porpouse ... so.... fun?
2010-05-24 14:16 <nebajoth> haha
2010-05-24 14:16 <nebajoth> IT HOLDS MY BEER
2010-05-24 14:16 <nebajoth> CERVEZA
2010-05-24 14:17 <tuxbrain> meanwhile it don't wheith more than 120gr :P
2010-05-24 14:17 <nebajoth> plastic?
2010-05-24 14:17 <tuxbrain> yep
2010-05-24 14:17 <tuxbrain> and bad one
2010-05-24 14:17 <nebajoth> that IS cool
2010-05-24 14:17 <nebajoth> how much did it cost?
2010-05-24 14:18 <tuxbrain> we are basically doing it for learning the priciples of PID
2010-05-24 14:18 <tuxbrain> you can found it for arround 50¬
2010-05-24 14:19 <tuxbrain> I send you the link from the chinese manufacturer, due is casualty I bought my bread boards there, but is a very common toy in robotic hobbist shops
2010-05-24 14:19 <nebajoth> very interesting
2010-05-24 14:20 <nebajoth> do you have your work on it documented?
2010-05-24 14:20 <tuxbrain> yep
2010-05-24 14:20 <tuxbrain> but not yet published until we have at least test it :P
2010-05-24 14:21 <nebajoth> ha, fair enough
2010-05-24 14:21 <tuxbrain> we use and arduino mega because it has 6 motors to control
2010-05-24 14:21 <nebajoth> we may copy your work if we get the hackerspace going
2010-05-24 14:21 <nebajoth> that sounds like the kind of project that will bring people in the door
2010-05-24 14:21 <tuxbrain> I will be glad :)
2010-05-24 14:21 <nebajoth> I'm definitely into the hacking, but my personal role in the organization is more of a kind of sandbox-builder at the moment
2010-05-24 14:22 <nebajoth> so I'm looking for projects that we can build a community around
2010-05-24 14:22 <nebajoth> arduino and the nanonote are obviously perfect
2010-05-24 14:22 <nebajoth> I'm also investigating the potato router
2010-05-24 14:22 <tuxbrain> and what is like?
2010-05-24 14:22 <nebajoth> the potato router?
2010-05-24 14:23 <nebajoth> sorry
2010-05-24 14:23 <nebajoth> "the mesh potato"
2010-05-24 14:23 <nebajoth> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/10604
2010-05-24 14:23 <nebajoth> open source hardware that makes a giant wifi mesh network telephone system
2010-05-24 14:23 <tuxbrain> must leave for a moment
2010-05-24 14:23 <nebajoth> ok
2010-05-24 14:24 <Xakh> zear: what's the filetype for icons?
2010-05-24 14:25 <zear> .png
2010-05-24 14:25 <Xakh> sweeeet.
2010-05-24 14:25 <zear> and needs to be the same name as the binary
2010-05-24 14:25 <Xakh> that's easy enough.
2010-05-24 14:25 <zear> so if the binary is prboom, the icon needs to be named: prboom.png
2010-05-24 14:25 <Xakh> need to find a new microsd
2010-05-24 14:25 <Xakh> is there a graphical text editor yet?
2010-05-24 14:26 <zear> and the icons need to be 32x32 px
2010-05-24 14:26 <zear> nope
2010-05-24 14:27 <Xakh> dang. I've heard about a port of Dillo, how's that going?
2010-05-24 14:28 <zear> no idea
2010-05-24 14:28 <zear> though dillo is a web browser, isn't it
2010-05-24 14:28 <Xakh> yeah, but i had an idea
2010-05-24 14:28 <Xakh> what if we pulled a konquerer
2010-05-24 14:28 <Xakh> and made it into a file manager too?
2010-05-24 14:29 <zear> well, konqueror needs X11
2010-05-24 14:29 <zear> but it's also a kde thing, and kde runs on qt
2010-05-24 14:29 <zear> and qt can run on the framebuffer
2010-05-24 14:29 <Xakh> by "pull a konqueror"
2010-05-24 14:29 <zear> so i dunno, maybe it could be possible to run it on the nanonote
2010-05-24 14:29 <Xakh> i meant copy that behaviour
2010-05-24 14:29 <zear> ah
2010-05-24 14:30 <Xakh> i meant, why don't we make dillo into a file manager and browser?
2010-05-24 14:30 <zear> well, i think the way mc does it is simpler and faster
2010-05-24 14:30 <zear> besides, you'd need to have a mouse to use the way konqueror navigates
2010-05-24 14:30 <Xakh> true, but it's a bit tough to navigate
2010-05-24 14:31 <Xakh> dillo was meant for tiny devices
2010-05-24 14:31 <Xakh> and is meant to be used on things that may not have mice
2010-05-24 14:31 <zear> well, isn't dillo an X11 thing?
2010-05-24 14:32 <Xakh> yeah, but it's gtk, so it can be fb
2010-05-24 14:33 <Xakh> you see, i get people that want to get nanonotes when they see mine a lot
2010-05-24 14:33 <zear> it's lftk
2010-05-24 14:33 <Xakh> but i'm thinking, when they buy it they'll be pretty disappointed, since they don't know how to use ash
2010-05-24 14:33 <zear> dunno how much is that gtk related
2010-05-24 14:33 <Xakh> oh, it is?
2010-05-24 14:33 <zear> yep
2010-05-24 14:33 <Xakh> crap.
2010-05-24 14:33 <Xakh> well, maybe midori then
2010-05-24 14:34 <zear> at least that's why my package manager says: "Lean FLTK2-based web browser"
2010-05-24 14:34 <zear> anyway, have to go for a moment, brb
2010-05-24 14:34 <Xakh> ok
2010-05-24 14:34 <larsc> there is a dillo package in the openwrt package feed. but i think it's broken right now.
2010-05-24 14:35 <Xakh> well, i guess we should switch to midori
2010-05-24 14:35 <Xakh> almost as light, but gtk based
2010-05-24 14:36 <larsc> haha
2010-05-24 14:36 <larsc> webkit is anything but lightweight
2010-05-24 14:36 <Xakh> you have a point sir.
2010-05-24 14:36 <Xakh> lighter than tracemonkey
2010-05-24 14:37 <Xakh> and gecko
2010-05-24 14:37 <tuxbrain_away> nebajoth: just last thing here you can see our first trys on control the arm with arduino http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbp292_arduino-brazo-robot-4-motores_tech http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xboya4_arduino-brazo-robot-2-motores_tech , very simple no pwm no position feedback just on/off and direction c u
2010-05-24 14:37 <Xakh> ooohhh
2010-05-24 14:38 <Xakh> well, what's a light browser?
2010-05-24 14:40 <nebajoth> fennec?
2010-05-24 14:40 <Xakh> that still is firefox
2010-05-24 14:40 <nebajoth> :O
2010-05-24 14:40 <Xakh> it's good, but i wouldn't call it light.
2010-05-24 14:41 <nebajoth> links?
2010-05-24 14:42 <nebajoth> ok ok
2010-05-24 14:42 <nebajoth> I'm just trolling
2010-05-24 14:42 <Xakh> lol
2010-05-24 14:42 <nebajoth> I'm no lover of gtk
2010-05-24 14:42 <nebajoth> dillo is ugly
2010-05-24 14:42 <Xakh> well, me either, but it's an easy way to make graphics
2010-05-24 14:43 <nebajoth> and both of the major organizations that originally pushed high file manager and browser integration
2010-05-24 14:43 <nebajoth> (ie: KDE, Microsoft)
2010-05-24 14:43 <nebajoth> have backed away from it
2010-05-24 14:43 <Xakh> true
2010-05-24 14:43 <nebajoth> I think people have it functionally separated in terms of interaction
2010-05-24 14:43 <nebajoth> THIS is a browser
2010-05-24 14:43 <nebajoth> THIS is a file manager
2010-05-24 14:43 <Xakh> i suppose.
2010-05-24 14:43 <nebajoth> tuxbrain_away: those look cool
2010-05-24 14:44 <Xakh> but i think it'd help save space
2010-05-24 14:44 <nebajoth> as long as you have a good switcher I don't see the issue
2010-05-24 14:44 <nebajoth> there can certainly be no desktop paradigm on the thing's shrunken screen :D
2010-05-24 14:44 <Xakh> lol true
2010-05-24 14:44 <nebajoth> I think there's some promise to pyneo's approach
2010-05-24 14:44 <Xakh> but we could have an androidy one
2010-05-24 14:44 <nebajoth> have you investigated their software?
2010-05-24 14:45 <nebajoth> I think android definitely has the best interface so far
2010-05-24 14:45 <nebajoth> but I'm not convinced its perfect
2010-05-24 14:45 <Xakh> i'm typing from AndroIRC as we speak
2010-05-24 14:45 <Xakh> it's not perfect
2010-05-24 14:45 <nebajoth> haha sweet
2010-05-24 14:45 <nebajoth> I don't have one
2010-05-24 14:45 <Xakh> now, it ain't perfect
2010-05-24 14:45 <nebajoth> but my wife does
2010-05-24 14:45 <nebajoth> I get a blackberry free for work
2010-05-24 14:45 <nebajoth> so am cockblocked from getting an android
2010-05-24 14:46 <Xakh> but our approach certainly isn't perfect either
2010-05-24 14:46 <Xakh> ouch
2010-05-24 14:46 <nebajoth> for reals
2010-05-24 14:46 <Xakh> i'm using the g1, so i'm stuck at 1.6
2010-05-24 14:46 <nebajoth> I play with hers and I get super jealous
2010-05-24 14:46 <nebajoth> upgrade, the new phones are worth it :D
2010-05-24 14:46 <nebajoth> hahah MONE
2010-05-24 14:46 <nebajoth> Y
2010-05-24 14:46 <nebajoth> ok
2010-05-24 14:46 <nebajoth> personally, I think the best future is a cube
2010-05-24 14:47 <nebajoth> like what compiz allows on the desktop
2010-05-24 14:47 <Xakh> i will, tmobile is working with htc to make a slider with a snapdragon
2010-05-24 14:47 <nebajoth> the qt demos show the unit is capable of that kind of animation
2010-05-24 14:47 <Xakh> true
2010-05-24 14:47 <nebajoth> lets create the idea of a cube with only one face showing
2010-05-24 14:47 <nebajoth> and use that to support switching
2010-05-24 14:47 <Xakh> but it'd eat processor power up
2010-05-24 14:47 <nebajoth> between full-screen
2010-05-24 14:47 <nebajoth> only during switching
2010-05-24 14:47 <Xakh> true
2010-05-24 14:48 <Xakh> well, still, we need a better menu
2010-05-24 14:48 <nebajoth> probably
2010-05-24 14:48 <Xakh> though gmenu2x is a great place to start
2010-05-24 14:48 <Xakh> it has multiple desktops, and a good icon theme
2010-05-24 14:48 <Xakh> i like the look of it
2010-05-24 14:49 <nebajoth> I haven't used it enough to comment
2010-05-24 14:49 <nebajoth> but I'm glad to hear that
2010-05-24 14:49 <Xakh> been using it daily. it's not perfect
2010-05-24 14:49 <Xakh> but it really works for day to day
2010-05-24 14:50 <Xakh> but
2010-05-24 14:50 <Xakh> it is missing a few really important things
2010-05-24 14:50 <nebajoth> what do you want to do with yours?
2010-05-24 14:50 <Xakh> 1. a good file manager
2010-05-24 14:50 <Xakh> i'm not sure yet.
2010-05-24 14:50 <nebajoth> midnight commander?
2010-05-24 14:50 <nebajoth> I still use the shell as a file manager on a full ubuntu desktop
2010-05-24 14:51 <nebajoth> so I'm probably a bad example
2010-05-24 14:51 <Xakh> midnight commander's fine
2010-05-24 14:51 <Xakh> right now though
2010-05-24 14:51 <Xakh> it's either using ash
2010-05-24 14:51 <Xakh> or the graphical one that quite frankly does not work
2010-05-24 14:52 <Xakh> annoyingly
2010-05-24 14:52 <Xakh> the music program
2010-05-24 14:52 <Xakh> gmu
2010-05-24 14:52 <Xakh> has a functional file manager
2010-05-24 14:52 <Xakh> just only works in gmu
2010-05-24 14:53 <Xakh> if we could move that into gmenu, and add a few features (copy, cut)
2010-05-24 14:53 <Xakh> it'd be fantastic
2010-05-24 14:54 <Xakh> so that's a bother
2010-05-24 14:55 <nebajoth> is gmu any good?
2010-05-24 14:55 <Xakh> surprisingly so
2010-05-24 14:55 <Xakh> it seems to be stuck on shuffle
2010-05-24 14:55 <Xakh> but it works well
2010-05-24 14:56 <wejp> it is stuck on shuffle? you can't change the playmode anymore?
2010-05-24 14:56 <Xakh> i probably can
2010-05-24 14:56 <Xakh> dunno how
2010-05-24 14:56 <Xakh> i threw a bunch of oggs on my sd, and just add the music folder on it to the playlist
2010-05-24 14:56 <Xakh> and away i go
2010-05-24 14:57 <Xakh> also was i the only one shocked at the levels the speaker can hit?
2010-05-24 14:58 <Xakh> i mean, i'm a big fan of nine inch nails, so i know loud
2010-05-24 14:58 <wejp> you should be able to change the playmode by just pressing the R button
2010-05-24 14:58 <Xakh> ah....
2010-05-24 14:58 <wejp> but it is all explained in the README.txt
2010-05-24 14:58 <Xakh> that's what does it.
2010-05-24 14:58 <Xakh> i should read those some time.
2010-05-24 14:59 <zear> Xakh, turn the mic and speaker on at the same time
2010-05-24 14:59 <Xakh> ?
2010-05-24 14:59 <zear> you'll then see how LOUD that thing is :D
2010-05-24 14:59 <Xakh> haha
2010-05-24 14:59 <nebajoth> :O
2010-05-24 14:59 <Xakh> I'm in class, and the only sd card i have is in my phone
2010-05-24 14:59 <nebajoth> are you using the openwrt firmware?
2010-05-24 14:59 <zear> Xakh, better don't try it then :D
2010-05-24 15:00 <Xakh> yeah
2010-05-24 15:00 <Xakh> i like openwrt
2010-05-24 15:00 <zear> unless you want your whole school/uni to hear your nanonote :D
2010-05-24 15:00 <Xakh> haha
2010-05-24 15:00 <Xakh> i had a couple metalhead friends
2010-05-24 15:01 <Xakh> they thought it looked cool, but thought it was useless
2010-05-24 15:01 <Xakh> so i blasted them crooked vultures out the one speaker
2010-05-24 15:01 <zear> :D
2010-05-24 15:01 <Xakh> they were impressed.
2010-05-24 15:02 <Xakh> people really love the nano
2010-05-24 15:03 <Xakh> when i whip it out and play doom on it, then switch to music
2010-05-24 15:03 <Xakh> it impresses um
2010-05-24 15:03 <zear> Xakh, when you turn both speaker and mic on at the same time, this happens: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_feedback
2010-05-24 15:03 <zear> it's really, really loud
2010-05-24 15:03 <Xakh> hahaha
2010-05-24 15:03 <zear> and i mean REALLY loud
2010-05-24 15:03 <nebajoth> I want to run something like this
2010-05-24 15:03 <nebajoth> http://nitrotracker.tobw.net/
2010-05-24 15:03 <Xakh> aww, there's a scratch on the metal.
2010-05-24 15:05 <Xakh> dang it.
2010-05-24 15:05 <Xakh> this irc client messes up when i click links.
2010-05-24 15:07 <Xakh> hmm. you know there's a hack to make mini/microusb ports host ports.
2010-05-24 15:07 <Xakh> last place i saw it was for android devices
2010-05-24 15:08 <Xakh> so, let's assume i get it working.
2010-05-24 15:08 <Xakh> how hard would it be to configure wifi, from a usb dongle?
2010-05-24 15:09 <Xakh> or, if i got a usb ethernet card, would it work?
2010-05-24 15:10 <zear> Xakh, if there only are linux drivers for that device, just the kernel needs to be recompiled and it should work
2010-05-24 15:10 <Xakh> dammit.
2010-05-24 15:10 <Xakh> neat.
2010-05-24 15:10 <Xakh> androirc + other program = no androirc.
2010-05-24 15:10 <Xakh> i have to remember that.
2010-05-24 15:11 <Xakh> hm. well i used the device before
2010-05-24 15:11 <Xakh> on a linux system
2010-05-24 15:11 <Xakh> it was ubuntu, but i got it running on fedora too
2010-05-24 15:12 <Xakh> so what tools does the nano have for wifi?
2010-05-24 15:12 <Xakh> like, wicd?
2010-05-24 15:13 <zear> i dunno about the current image, but in the past it had the iwconfig and other tools for use with the sdio wifi cards
2010-05-24 15:14 <zear> and since the image is based on openwrt, which is distro for routers, it must have a lot of wifi apps in the repository
2010-05-24 15:14 <Xakh> yeah, i'd think so, lol
2010-05-24 15:16 <Xakh> though they're mostly for putting out wifi, not taking it in
2010-05-24 15:16 <Xakh> oh, has anyone tried that microsd wifi antenna?
2010-05-24 15:18 <zear> yep
2010-05-24 15:18 <Xakh> how well does it work?
2010-05-24 15:18 <zear> it works
2010-05-24 15:19 <zear> how good - no idea
2010-05-24 15:19 <Xakh> heh, alright
2010-05-24 15:21 <Xakh> btw, am i the only one surprised with how good the nanonote looks? usually when you see an open handheld, it's pretty rough looking, since it was designed by developers, but this one really has the feel of a finished product
2010-05-24 15:21 <zear> Xakh, nanonote design was bought from chinese developers
2010-05-24 15:21 <zear> they designed this device as a chinese dictionary
2010-05-24 15:21 <Xakh> heh, really?
2010-05-24 15:21 <zear> yep
2010-05-24 15:22 <Xakh> that's so cool
2010-05-24 15:22 <zear> here you can see the chinese prototype: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:Loose_Hinge.ogv
2010-05-24 15:23 <Xakh> crap, i can't click that yet, still on phone
2010-05-24 15:23 <zear> that could explain why there's no usb host and all the other design flaws :)
2010-05-24 15:23 <zear> (not like i'm saying the design is faulty)
2010-05-24 15:23 <zear> can you at least see the picture?
2010-05-24 15:23 <Xakh> this irc client is buggy
2010-05-24 15:23 <zear> ah
2010-05-24 15:24 <Xakh> if i exit it, it boots me from irc
2010-05-24 15:24 <Xakh> or if i go to other programs, it closes itself
2010-05-24 15:24 <zear> don't you have multiprocessing in android?
2010-05-24 15:24 <Xakh> yeah, this is just a bad program
2010-05-24 15:24 <zear> ah, ok
2010-05-24 15:25 <Xakh> i'm looking for other ones, but this one is one of very few android irc clients that exist
2010-05-24 15:28 <Xakh> grrrr
2010-05-24 15:36 <Xakh> can't find my microsd anywhere
2010-05-24 15:36 <Xakh> heh, lucky i did a backup 2 days ago
2010-05-24 15:39 <Xakh> okay, seriously annoying.
2010-05-24 15:39 <Xakh> going to move to laptop asap
2010-05-24 15:40 <Xakh> still, the sd card i used for the nano is missing, i have to use the one from my phone
2010-05-24 15:40 <Xakh> grrr
2010-05-24 15:55 <xakh> so, what other packages are good to install on this thing?
2010-05-24 16:31 <xakh> zear: you back yet
2010-05-24 16:31 <xakh> ?
2010-05-24 16:31 <zear> tep
2010-05-24 16:31 <zear> *ype
2010-05-24 16:31 <zear> *yep
2010-05-24 16:31 <zear> :P
2010-05-24 16:32 <xakh> bad ass
2010-05-24 16:32 <xakh> so, what other games play nice on this system?
2010-05-24 16:34 <zear> descent 1&2
2010-05-24 16:34 <zear> openliero
2010-05-24 16:34 <zear> quake, but at a low fps
2010-05-24 16:34 <xakh> whoa, descent, nice
2010-05-24 16:35 <zear> scummvm
2010-05-24 16:35 <zear> generally a lot of games from dingoo a320 platform
2010-05-24 16:39 <xakh> where's the descent port?
2010-05-24 16:39 <xakh> I loved that game as a kid
2010-05-24 16:39 <xakh> I'm going to sound really young here
2010-05-24 16:39 <xakh> but I was only 3 when Doom came out
2010-05-24 16:40 <xakh> and my earliest memories were with my uncle John, coming in from his job as a CS professor, and showing me some cool new game he'd gotten a hold of
2010-05-24 16:40 <xakh> and I was a master of Doom back then
2010-05-24 16:41 <xakh> later he installed descent, and I loved that game
2010-05-24 16:48 <xakh> Well, outside of ports, is there anything else this thing can run easily, or is there something I can do to help port/create?
2010-05-24 16:50 <zear> xakh, descent port is still on my hdd
2010-05-24 16:50 <zear> it's not finished
2010-05-24 16:50 <xakh> ah ok
2010-05-24 16:50 <zear> and some reported it buggy
2010-05-24 16:50 <zear> you can try the dingoo port however
2010-05-24 16:50 <zear> it should run
2010-05-24 16:51 <zear> here you can try my nanonote ports: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/zear/games/
2010-05-24 16:51 <zear> all except eduke32 should work
2010-05-24 16:52 <xakh> hm. Cool.
2010-05-24 16:52 <xakh> hey, so I've been doing some digging on really light web  browsers that use GTK, and don't have humongous engines
2010-05-24 16:52 <xakh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetSurf
2010-05-24 16:52 <xakh> you think we could port that one?
2010-05-24 16:52 <xakh> I've used it, it's not too bad
2010-05-24 16:55 <zear> no idea really, don't know much about gtk for framebuffer
2010-05-24 16:56 <xakh> well it also has a stable framebuffer version
2010-05-24 17:03 <xakh> ooh, check this out!
2010-05-24 17:03 <xakh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konqueror_Embedded
2010-05-24 17:04 <xakh> that looks like a usable browser, for once
2010-05-24 17:04 <nebajoth> tuxbrain_away: ping
2010-05-24 17:06 <tuxbrain> nebajoth: pong
2010-05-24 17:07 <nebajoth> tuxbrain: I followed your debian instructions
2010-05-24 17:07 <nebajoth> but have only a flashing cursor on all ttys
2010-05-24 17:07 <nebajoth> er
2010-05-24 17:07 <nebajoth> 2-9
2010-05-24 17:08 <nebajoth> I tried from scratch again
2010-05-24 17:08 <nebajoth> same result
2010-05-24 17:08 <tuxbrain> ?
2010-05-24 17:08 <tuxbrain> hmmm
2010-05-24 17:08 <nebajoth> first tty is just blank
2010-05-24 17:08 <nebajoth> what ip does it have by default?
2010-05-24 17:08 <tuxbrain> I guess same as pineo says
2010-05-24 17:09 <nebajoth> where did you get that filesystem for sid?
2010-05-24 17:09 <nebajoth> do you have the qi or the SAKC?
2010-05-24 17:09 <nebajoth> er
2010-05-24 17:09 <nebajoth> whatever
2010-05-24 17:09 <nebajoth> the production model or the hacker one
2010-05-24 17:11 <tuxbrain> production model
2010-05-24 17:11 <tuxbrain> let me check one thing.
2010-05-24 17:11 <nebajoth> no pong from 204
2010-05-24 17:11 <nebajoth> so no ip
2010-05-24 17:13 <tuxbrain> nebajoth: you have serial cable?
2010-05-24 17:13 <nebajoth> probably
2010-05-24 17:13 <tuxbrain> if not try this uboot http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/xiangfu/tmp/openwrt-xburst-qi_lb60-u-boot.bin
2010-05-24 17:13 <nebajoth> if not?
2010-05-24 17:13 <tuxbrain> this will bring you kernel messages on screen
2010-05-24 17:13 <nebajoth> aha
2010-05-24 17:13 <nebajoth> good idea
2010-05-24 17:13 <nebajoth> I definitely want that anyway
2010-05-24 17:13 <tuxbrain> also have you the sd card inserted
2010-05-24 17:13 <tuxbrain> ?
2010-05-24 17:14 <nebajoth> yes
2010-05-24 17:15 <tuxbrain> one thing I find is that on first boot it givemes some chkfs errors and sistem goes to mantanaice waiting for crtl-D to be pressed but due the ouput was to serial console I only obtain a black screen
2010-05-24 17:15 <tuxbrain> on sd
2010-05-24 17:16 <tuxbrain> try to boot without sd before do nothing maybe we have luck
2010-05-24 17:17 <tuxbrain> kristianpaul: ping
2010-05-24 17:17 <nebajoth> reflassshhinnggg
2010-05-24 17:17 <nebajoth> I want the kernel output anyway
2010-05-24 17:17 <tuxbrain> too late :P
2010-05-24 17:18 <nebajoth> I hear what you're saying
2010-05-24 17:18 <nebajoth> but I want kernel output anyway
2010-05-24 17:18 <tuxbrain> ok I understand
2010-05-24 17:19 <xakh> hey, is there a way to put the nanonote into mass storage mode?
2010-05-24 17:21 <tuxbrain> xakh: theoretically yes but intiuition (not real understanding) from larsc conversantions about it seems there still some DMA issues interfering in the module that is able to do so
2010-05-24 17:21 <xakh> ok, just cheking
2010-05-24 17:21 <xakh> I lost my sd card so it's tough to transfer files
2010-05-24 17:22 <tuxbrain> scp doesn't work?
2010-05-24 17:22 <nebajoth> where do you live?
2010-05-24 17:22 <tuxbrain> who?
2010-05-24 17:22 <nebajoth> xakh
2010-05-24 17:22 <xakh> me? I live in the USA
2010-05-24 17:22 <nebajoth> which state?
2010-05-24 17:23 <nebajoth> trying to decide if I should send you an sd card
2010-05-24 17:23 <nebajoth> I have like 5 sitting here
2010-05-24 17:23 <xakh> West Virginia
2010-05-24 17:23 <xakh> like, micro?
2010-05-24 17:23 <nebajoth> yeah
2010-05-24 17:23 <xakh> o.o
2010-05-24 17:23 <nebajoth> I picked up a bunch off ebay
2010-05-24 17:23 <nebajoth> super cheap
2010-05-24 17:23 <nebajoth> they don't cost much
2010-05-24 17:23 <xakh> well, over the summer I'll be back home in San Antonio Texas
2010-05-24 17:23 <xakh> true
2010-05-24 17:23 <nebajoth> actually, Virginia is much closer to me
2010-05-24 17:24 <nebajoth> I'm just across the river from Detroit
2010-05-24 17:24 <xakh> nice
2010-05-24 17:24 <nebajoth> could probably just lettermail that sucker
2010-05-24 17:24 <nebajoth> they don't weigh crap
2010-05-24 17:24 <xakh> actually, I've gotten larger things in envelopes
2010-05-24 17:24 <xakh> got a SIM card
2010-05-24 17:25 <nebajoth> oooohhhhh, kernel output
2010-05-24 17:25 <nebajoth> sexyyyy
2010-05-24 17:25 <tuxbrain> yeah!
2010-05-24 17:25 <nebajoth> AND it booted
2010-05-24 17:25 <nebajoth> to a login
2010-05-24 17:25 <tuxbrain> :)
2010-05-24 17:25 <nebajoth> double yeah!
2010-05-24 17:26 <tuxbrain> another happy debian Nanonote user comes to scene
2010-05-24 17:26 <nebajoth> :D
2010-05-24 17:26 <tuxbrain> remember you have to fix ssh
2010-05-24 17:27 <tuxbrain> also put it with got date to avoid anoying message and mistakes when you compile
2010-05-24 17:38 <nebajoth> oi
2010-05-24 17:38 <nebajoth> tuxbrain
2010-05-24 17:38 <tuxbrain> yes?
2010-05-24 17:38 <nebajoth> the apt-get commands you gave
2010-05-24 17:38 <nebajoth> to fix ssh
2010-05-24 17:38 <nebajoth> don't have the right package name
2010-05-24 17:38 <tuxbrain> ops
2010-05-24 17:38 <nebajoth> should be "apt-get remove openssh-server"
2010-05-24 17:38 <nebajoth> and "apt-get install openssh-server"
2010-05-24 17:38 <tuxbrain> yes I will fix it right now
2010-05-24 17:38 <nebajoth> or even better
2010-05-24 17:38 <nebajoth> "apt-get reinstall openssh-server"
2010-05-24 17:38 <nebajoth> wait, does reinstall work on apt-get?
2010-05-24 17:39 <nebajoth> I'm so used to aptitude
2010-05-24 17:39 <nebajoth> its hard to remember
2010-05-24 17:39 <tuxbrain> hehehe me to
2010-05-24 17:39 <tuxbrain> I think not
2010-05-24 17:39 <tuxbrain> apt-get search doesn't work either :P
2010-05-24 17:39 <nebajoth> :(
2010-05-24 17:39 <nebajoth> is aptitude in the repos?
2010-05-24 17:39 <nebajoth> :P
2010-05-24 17:40 <tuxbrain> apt-cache search instead
2010-05-24 17:40 <nebajoth> yayyyy apt-get works
2010-05-24 17:40 <tuxbrain> aptitude is damn slow on low memory devices
2010-05-24 17:40 <nebajoth> :(
2010-05-24 17:40 <nebajoth> even the command line stuff?
2010-05-24 17:40 <tuxbrain> yep
2010-05-24 17:41 <nebajoth> whyyyy
2010-05-24 17:41 <nebajoth> is it programmed in java?
2010-05-24 17:41 <tuxbrain> hahaahahaah
2010-05-24 17:41 <nebajoth> amirite?
2010-05-24 17:42 <tuxbrain> man I don't know but I have tryed it on openmoko with debian (with higher processor and 4 times ram and it was terrible slow)
2010-05-24 17:42 <tuxbrain> i think it just do to many things at time
2010-05-24 17:43 <tuxbrain> to-> too
2010-05-24 17:43 <tuxbrain> amirite?
2010-05-24 17:43 <tuxbrain> wtf amirite is?
2010-05-24 17:43 <nebajoth> haha
2010-05-24 17:43 <nebajoth> its what 16 year old american girls who have watched too much television
2010-05-24 17:43 <nebajoth> say
2010-05-24 17:43 <nebajoth> it means "Am I right?"
2010-05-24 17:44 <nebajoth> I mock them
2010-05-24 17:44 <nebajoth> by using their silly ways
2010-05-24 17:44 <tuxbrain> ok :P to much slang for spanish guy :D
2010-05-24 17:44 <nebajoth> forgive me
2010-05-24 17:44 <nebajoth> yes
2010-05-24 17:44 <nebajoth> I was just about to say
2010-05-24 17:44 <nebajoth> not good for international channel
2010-05-24 17:44 <tuxbrain> to -> too
2010-05-24 18:00 <xakh> sweet
2010-05-24 18:00 <xakh> got Quake, Doom, and Powder on my desktop in the "Games" section
2010-05-24 19:48 <xakh> so.
2010-05-24 19:48 <xakh> Think we could port a simplistic image editor?
2010-05-24 19:57 <wolfspraul> editor, wow
2010-05-24 19:58 <wolfspraul> I agree editing pics on-the-go would be nice, can save a lot of time say when you take them with your digital camera, then want to polish them
2010-05-24 19:58 <wolfspraul> but with 32 MB ram?
2010-05-24 19:59 <wolfspraul> the only hope is that we can start now, and then when Ya NanoNote comes out with more RAM, more megahertz, it will actuall work well
2010-05-24 20:08 <tuxbrain_away> zear proposed one actually working on dingux, don't remember the name but was like the classical "paintbrush", not bad idea not as sustitute of GIMP :P, but to edit/reate icons or fine tune simple graphics.
2010-05-24 20:13 <xakh> yeah, that's all I wanted
2010-05-24 20:14 <xakh> by the way, I don't have focus on this window much, so could you guys address me by name when you talk? It blinks xchat
2010-05-24 20:21 <wolfspraul> xakh: tuxbrain_away I would mostly want to be able to run imagemagick and im scripts
2010-05-24 20:21 <xakh> that'd be pretty sweet.
2010-05-24 20:21 <wolfspraul> yes but IM needs loads of memory and CPU
2010-05-24 20:21 <wolfspraul> graphicsmagick is more efficient but has the typical fork problems, such as IM having much much better documentation
2010-05-24 20:22 <xakh> hmmm
2010-05-24 20:22 <xakh> if we just had a basic paint program I'd be happy
2010-05-24 20:22 <wolfspraul> yes :-)
2010-05-24 20:22 <wolfspraul> agree, start small is good
2010-05-24 20:24 <xakh> really, to have a nice system to play with
2010-05-24 20:24 <xakh> I'd like a simple graphical text editor
2010-05-24 20:24 <xakh> a small browser, and a paint program
2010-05-24 20:26 <xakh> http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
2010-05-24 20:26 <xakh> I propose this browser
2010-05-24 20:26 <xakh> has a built in rendering engine, tiny, and can be run in framebuffer
2010-05-24 20:28 <xakh> http://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/gtk/ at the bottom they have their framebuffer version
2010-05-24 20:28 <xakh> if anyone wants to test it. I'm no good with this, so if someone wants to teach me, that'd be cool too
2010-05-24 21:37 <nebajoth1> hai
2010-05-24 21:37 <nebajoth1> I'm trying to get sound working in debian on the NN
2010-05-24 21:37 <nebajoth1> unfortunately, I'm not getting very far
2010-05-24 21:37 <nebajoth1> can someone paste me their lsmod inside the openwrt firmware?
2010-05-24 21:37 <nebajoth1> I have one version of it
2010-05-24 21:37 <nebajoth1> but it keeps loading gmenu2x
2010-05-24 21:38 <nebajoth1> and I have no idea how to bring up a terminal
2010-05-24 21:58 <nebajoth1> xiangfu: hello
2010-05-24 21:58 <xiangfu> nebajoth: hi
2010-05-24 21:58 <nebajoth1> I have a question :)
2010-05-24 21:59 <nebajoth1> I am trying to get sound working in debian
2010-05-24 21:59 <nebajoth1> on the NN
2010-05-24 21:59 <nebajoth1> does the openwrt firmware use oss or alsa?
2010-05-24 21:59 <xiangfu> nebajoth: alsa
2010-05-24 21:59 <nebajoth1> hmmm
2010-05-24 21:59 <nebajoth1> is there documentation of what you had to do to get it working in openwrt?
2010-05-24 22:04 <xiangfu> nebajoth: http://www.openmobilefree.net/?p=480 you can take a look at this.  if you mean the develop document. then you need the cpu data sheet.
2010-05-24 22:06 <nebajoth1> I think I just need a driver
2010-05-24 22:07 <nebajoth1> alsa-utils says "none loaded"
2010-05-24 22:08 <nebajoth1> Setting up ALSA...done (none loaded).
2010-05-24 22:12 <xiangfu> nebajoth: in openwrt "make menuconfig" there is "Kernel modules "
2010-05-24 22:12 <xiangfu> nebajoth: the sound driver is not static link to kernel image.
2010-05-24 22:12 <xiangfu> nebajoth: it's build as package.
2010-05-24 22:12 <nebajoth1> what's the module  name?
2010-05-24 22:13 <nebajoth1> this is the pyneo kernel
2010-05-24 22:13 <nebajoth1> the only thing that is from you guys is your u-boot that turns on kernel messages
2010-05-24 22:15 <nebajoth1> but maybe it was done the same way
2010-05-24 22:15 <nebajoth1> what's the module that needs to be loaded?
2010-05-24 22:16 <xiangfu> snd-soc-qi-lb60.ko snd-soc-jz4740-i2s.ko  snd-soc-jzcodec.ko snd-soc-jz4740.ko
2010-05-24 22:16 <nebajoth1> awesome
2010-05-24 22:16 <nebajoth1> thanks
2010-05-24 22:19 <xiangfu> nebajoth: you may find those package at http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/packages/openwrt/xburst/latest/
2010-05-24 22:25 <nebajoth1> xiangfu: is there a way to bring up a terminal in the gmenu2x?
2010-05-24 22:26 <xiangfu> nebajoth: in the latest release "CTRL + ALT + F5"
2010-05-24 22:27 <nebajoth1> probably need a newer release then
2010-05-24 22:28 <kristianpaul> i was testing TP4/TP5 last night ans seems to send data okay to my computer but from computer to  nano something crashed
2010-05-24 22:28 <kristianpaul> i need to test if there are conections issues
2010-05-24 22:28 <kristianpaul> but
2010-05-24 22:28 <kristianpaul> there is a new version of u-boot with this feature enable?
2010-05-24 22:30 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: http://www.openmobilefree.net/other/downloads/tmp/openwrt-xburst-qi_lb60-u-boot.bin
2010-05-24 22:31 <kristianpaul> xiangfu: what is new on this?
2010-05-24 22:31 <kristianpaul> in the previous my picocom just crashed after i send data to it
2010-05-24 22:31 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: I build this u-boot yesterday.
2010-05-24 22:31 <kristianpaul> but all was fine when typing and sending to the computer
2010-05-24 22:31 <kristianpaul> xiangfu: :)
2010-05-24 22:32 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: I use 'minicom' to login nanonote. yes typing works fine. not test send data
2010-05-24 22:32 <kristianpaul> xiangfu: there are plans to include this in incomin release?
2010-05-24 22:33 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: it will included by next release.
2010-05-24 22:33 <kristianpaul> xiangfu: well i need learn how to use minicom, but i push you send data and see what happens to nano
2010-05-24 22:33 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: ok
2010-05-24 22:34 <kristianpaul> xiangfu: can you paste your minicom config, so i can have your same settings?
2010-05-24 22:37 <kristianpaul> xiangfu: whats ok for you ;)?
2010-05-24 22:38 <kristianpaul> sorry i ask that i just realize ok is too short sometimes :)
2010-05-24 22:38 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: where is the minicom configure file? I can not find it. :-)
2010-05-24 22:38 <kristianpaul> xiangfu: but how are you using it?
2010-05-24 22:38 <kristianpaul> at least what steps are you follwing..
2010-05-24 22:38 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: just found it
2010-05-24 22:39 <xiangfu> xiangfu@openmobilefree:~$ more .minirc.dfl
2010-05-24 22:39 <xiangfu> # Machine-generated file - use setup menu in minicom to change parameters.
2010-05-24 22:39 <xiangfu> pu port             /dev/ttyUSB0
2010-05-24 22:39 <xiangfu> pu baudrate         57600
2010-05-24 22:40 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: minicom -s : to setup the minicom.
2010-05-24 22:40 <kristianpaul> great thanks
2010-05-24 22:40 <kristianpaul> ohh
2010-05-24 22:41 <kristianpaul> i need try taht
2010-05-24 22:41 <kristianpaul> well
2010-05-24 22:41 <kristianpaul> nite all !
2010-05-24 22:41 <kristianpaul> thanks xiangfu
2010-05-24 22:41 <xiangfu> kristianpaul: you are welcome