2010-05-22 00:03 <kristianpaul> http://jlime.com/mw4/index.php/Faq_nanonote
2010-05-22 02:06 <xakh> Man, doom flies on this little thing.
2010-05-22 03:55 <Xakh> hey, what're the gmenu keys again?
2010-05-22 03:58 <Xakh> hello,
2010-05-22 03:58 <Xakh> ?
2010-05-22 04:03 <wolfspraul> I only know that 'x' launches an app, and that overall pretty much everybody agrees the key mappings are not very 'intuitive' :-)
2010-05-22 04:04 <Xakh> indeed.
2010-05-22 04:06 <Xakh> hey zear
2010-05-22 04:08 <Xakh> zear_: what's the charmap for gmenu2x?
2010-05-22 04:10 <zear_> s, d, z, x, select, start, q, p
2010-05-22 04:10 <zear_> *esc, enter i mean :D
2010-05-22 04:11 <zear_> here's more info: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Gmenu2x
2010-05-22 04:12 <Xakh> I'm using the android irc client, so the wiki's hard to read ;)
2010-05-22 04:12 <zear_> ah :)
2010-05-22 04:13 <Xakh> can someone write out a "date" command, so i can see what i keep typing wrong?
2010-05-22 04:15 <Xakh> i can't seem to get my date set.
2010-05-22 04:16 <zear_> from the manual: [MMDDhhmm[[CC]YY][.ss]]
2010-05-22 04:19 <Xakh> so like date -s and then that?
2010-05-22 04:19 <Xakh> or is there  any other syntax i need?
2010-05-22 04:22 <Xakh> and is CC like the century?
2010-05-22 04:22 <Xakh> that what that's for?
2010-05-22 04:24 <zear_> it's like date 052210252010
2010-05-22 04:25 <Xakh> oh i don't put brackets?
2010-05-22 04:25 <zear_> no
2010-05-22 04:25 <Xakh> ohhhh
2010-05-22 04:25 <zear_> :)
2010-05-22 04:27 <Xakh> hmmmmmm
2010-05-22 04:28 <Xakh> i put date 052204262010
2010-05-22 04:28 <Xakh> said that was invalid
2010-05-22 04:29 <Xakh> it's 0427 here, that should be right, right?
2010-05-22 04:31 <Xakh> zear_: thanks for being patient, never had to set a date manually before
2010-05-22 04:32 <zear_> :D
2010-05-22 04:32 <zear_> no problem, we're here to help
2010-05-22 04:33 <zear_> anyway, have to go, happy hacking
2010-05-22 04:33 <Xakh> np
2010-05-22 04:35 <Xakh> anyone else know what to do bout my date?
2010-05-22 04:43 <Xakh> seriously, goin' nuts here.
2010-05-22 09:06 <ilembitov> Hi, all. Probably, not the most appropriate place to ask, but I'll try anyways. What are the available (I mean, not vintage ones) alternatives to NanoNote? I'd like something similarily priced, but with a slightly different form-factor. I'd like something more like HP Jornada/Psion rather than Sharp Zaurus, so that the screen would be wider and the keyboard would be more useable for touch-typing (like Psion 5mx). Is anybody aware of anything like that?
2010-05-22 09:16 <mth> ilembitov: OpenPandora seems to be finally shipping their first units now, it's slightly larger than the NanoNote
2010-05-22 09:19 <ilembitov> mth: Well, it's still not really what I mean. It doesn't have a proper keyboard. There are some options from Sharp (the most recent NetWalker) or Fujitsu, but they are in a different league and they are priced much higher
2010-05-22 09:20 <mth> do you mean a keyboard with all keys on it, or non-rubber keys?
2010-05-22 09:22 <ilembitov> mth:  http://www.dd3dj.de/pics/psion.jpg Here is what I mean (it's Psion 5mx). HP Jornada and Nec MobilePro had something similar (although Psion was the best). However, all of them are long gone and don't have internal memory/USB connectivity
2010-05-22 09:24 <mth> a friend of mine has a Toshiba Libretto, but that's years old, I don't know if there have been any successors to it
2010-05-22 09:24 <ilembitov> I figured out, that probably a CLI-based interface could do well on an offline device like NanoNote, you just need a wider screen and bigger keyboard. It could still be tiny (Psion 5mx weighed ~250g nearly 10 years ago)
2010-05-22 09:26 <ilembitov> mth: Libretto is not really a PDA, but an actual X86 subnotebook. There are lots of similar machines even today, including Fujitsu U series. The only problem is that they are Windows-based (so the keyboard has much more than 50-something keys, including the whole F1-F12 row, etc) and really expensive
2010-05-22 09:27 <ilembitov> Psion was perfect in that regard, since they got rid of nearly all non-symbolic keys, leaving Esc, Shift, Ctrl, BackSpace, Fn and Psi (their own mod key, much like second Fn)
2010-05-22 09:28 <ilembitov> They had 58 keys, I guess, nearly 17.5x17.5 mm, if I am not mistaken
2010-05-22 09:30 <ilembitov> BTW, how come NanoBook is MIPS-based, not ARM-based?
2010-05-22 09:32 <mth> I think it's because the JZ chip is cheaper than ARM-based SoCs, but I'm not sure
2010-05-22 09:32 <mth> the USB boot mode is also a big plus, since you can always recover from a flash problem
2010-05-22 09:33 <mth> and if you run open source software on it, it's relatively easy to switch architectures
2010-05-22 09:35 <ilembitov> Well, NanoBook seems nice. For me, it's just a screen/keyboard issue and the fact that I would have to pay halfprice just for shipping it to Russia =)
2010-05-22 09:35 <ilembitov> It doesn't have a touchscreen, right?
2010-05-22 09:39 <mth> I'm not sure, I don't have one myself
2010-05-22 09:39 <mth> I think not, but please check
2010-05-22 09:46 <wolfspraul> ilembitov: we can ship with EMS to Russia now
2010-05-22 09:47 <wolfspraul> but cannot tell you an exact price right now, just email sales@sharism.cc if you are interested
2010-05-22 09:47 <wolfspraul> the keyboard of the Ben NanoNote is definitely tiny, although I think it's good quality
2010-05-22 09:48 <wolfspraul> so if you want to do a lot of typing, like programming, then it's probably too small
2010-05-22 09:48 <wolfspraul> same for the screen - small
2010-05-22 10:36 <ilembitov> wolfspraul: Thanks, will look into the details
2010-05-22 10:36 <ilembitov> wolfspraul: So does it have a touch screen?
2010-05-22 16:42 <nebajoth> greetings
2010-05-22 16:42 <nebajoth> I followed the instructions to flash debian on my NN
2010-05-22 16:42 <nebajoth> the pyneo ones
2010-05-22 16:42 <nebajoth> and now the sucker will not boot
2010-05-22 16:43 <nebajoth> its not just a matter of not seeing the first tty
2010-05-22 16:43 <nebajoth> it never gets seen by lsusb
2010-05-22 16:43 <nebajoth> and hitting power+m with a known good sd card
2010-05-22 16:43 <nebajoth> doesn't boot from the sd card
2010-05-22 16:43 <nebajoth> and power+u doesn't put it in usb mode
2010-05-22 16:44 <nebajoth> I believe this means that uboot is corrupted somehow
2010-05-22 16:44 <nebajoth> or are the boot modes controlled lower than uboot?
2010-05-22 16:47 <larsc> power + u is handeld by the first stage loader
2010-05-22 16:48 <nebajoth> so what does it mean if it doesn't work?
2010-05-22 16:49 <nebajoth> corrupted or missing first stage loader
2010-05-22 16:49 <larsc> do see anything at all on the screen?
2010-05-22 16:49 <nebajoth> no
2010-05-22 16:49 <nebajoth> the red led does come on if its plugged into usb
2010-05-22 16:49 <nebajoth> that's the only indication its still alive at all
2010-05-22 16:50 <larsc> ok. so you'll have to put it into usbboot mode by shorting the usbboot contacts under the battery
2010-05-22 16:50 <nebajoth> neat
2010-05-22 16:50 <larsc> and then flash uboot again
2010-05-22 16:50 <nebajoth> :D
2010-05-22 16:51 <nebajoth> k
2010-05-22 16:51 <nebajoth> thanks
2010-05-22 16:51 <nebajoth> going to attempt it now
2010-05-22 17:01 <nebajoth> I don't think its working
2010-05-22 17:04 <nebajoth> larsc: no luck.
2010-05-22 17:04 <nebajoth> shorting the two usb pins doesn't help
2010-05-22 17:04 <nebajoth> hmm perhaps I misunderstand it
2010-05-22 17:05 <nebajoth> oh
2010-05-22 17:05 <nebajoth> reset button
2010-05-22 17:05 <nebajoth> haha
2010-05-22 17:08 <nebajoth> no
2010-05-22 17:08 <nebajoth> still nothing :(
2010-05-22 17:23 <larsc> nebajoth: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/USB_BOOT_mode
2010-05-22 17:28 <nebajoth> that's what I've been working from
2010-05-22 17:32 <nebajoth> nothing in lsusb, nothing in dmesg
2010-05-22 17:40 <nebajoth> :(
2010-05-22 18:13 <nebajoth> wolfspraul: halp
2010-05-22 18:14 <nebajoth> unbrickable ben bricked
2010-05-22 18:14 <wolfspraul> nebajoth: how so?
2010-05-22 18:14 <wolfspraul> do you have the carbonized rubber button?
2010-05-22 18:14 <nebajoth> what
2010-05-22 18:14 <nebajoth> reset button?
2010-05-22 18:14 <wolfspraul> he
2010-05-22 18:14 <nebajoth> or power button?
2010-05-22 18:15 <wolfspraul> ok one by on
2010-05-22 18:15 <nebajoth> haha yes
2010-05-22 18:15 <nebajoth> the beginning
2010-05-22 18:15 <wolfspraul> how did you brick it, what happened?
2010-05-22 18:15 <nebajoth> tried to flash it with debian
2010-05-22 18:15 <nebajoth> the pyneo one
2010-05-22 18:15 <nebajoth> with the compiler
2010-05-22 18:15 <nebajoth> not the mini one
2010-05-22 18:15 <nebajoth> it seemed to write ok
2010-05-22 18:15 <nebajoth> but it won't boot now
2010-05-22 18:15 <nebajoth> red led comes on when usb cable is plugged in
2010-05-22 18:15 <nebajoth> but that's the only sign of life
2010-05-22 18:16 <nebajoth> none of the power+u, power+m key combos worked
2010-05-22 18:16 <nebajoth> I've tried shorting the usb boot pins underneath the batter
2010-05-22 18:16 <nebajoth> y
2010-05-22 18:16 <wolfspraul> do you want to get Debian to work or back to OpenWrt?
2010-05-22 18:16 <nebajoth> nothing shows up in dmesg or lsusb
2010-05-22 18:16 <nebajoth> don't much care
2010-05-22 18:16 <wolfspraul> I cannot help much with Debian, so let's go back to OpenWrt.
2010-05-22 18:16 <nebajoth> openwrt would be fine
2010-05-22 18:16 <nebajoth> fine by me
2010-05-22 18:16 <wolfspraul> take the battery out, unplug the USB cable
2010-05-22 18:17 <wolfspraul> push the carbonized rubber button against the USB boot pins on the back
2010-05-22 18:17 <nebajoth> pj
2010-05-22 18:17 <wolfspraul> try to hit the 2 test pads there with the black rubber, and press down firmly
2010-05-22 18:17 <nebajoth> oh
2010-05-22 18:17 <nebajoth> it came with the unit right?
2010-05-22 18:18 <wolfspraul> yes
2010-05-22 18:18 <nebajoth> hmmm
2010-05-22 18:18 <wolfspraul> in a small plastic bag
2010-05-22 18:18 <nebajoth> I've been using a copper wire
2010-05-22 18:18 <wolfspraul> hmm
2010-05-22 18:18 <wolfspraul> ok let's try that then
2010-05-22 18:18 <nebajoth> so I short the usb boot pins
2010-05-22 18:19 <wolfspraul> hopefully I guess
2010-05-22 18:19 <wolfspraul> follow my steps
2010-05-22 18:19 <wolfspraul> unplug the battery, unplug the USB cable
2010-05-22 18:19 <nebajoth> done
2010-05-22 18:19 <wolfspraul> short the USB boot pins with the copper cable
2010-05-22 18:19 <wolfspraul> then plug in the USB cable
2010-05-22 18:19 <wolfspraul> normally when the USB cable is plugged in without a battery in the device, it will turn on by itself
2010-05-22 18:20 <wolfspraul> on the host, run 'lsusb'
2010-05-22 18:20 <wolfspraul> you can release the USB boot pins 2-3 seconds after plugging in the USB cable
2010-05-22 18:20 <wolfspraul> the USB boot pins only need to be short right after the CPU is powered, it's when it checks the boot mode
2010-05-22 18:20 <wolfspraul> in lsusb, you need to see an ID 0x601a:4740
2010-05-22 18:21 <nebajoth> something new happened
2010-05-22 18:21 <nebajoth> no lsusb yet
2010-05-22 18:21 <nebajoth> but the led flashed this time
2010-05-22 18:21 <nebajoth> that's a good sign
2010-05-22 18:21 <wolfspraul> run lsusb
2010-05-22 18:21 <nebajoth> I have "watch lsusb" running
2010-05-22 18:21 <wolfspraul> does the 601a:4740 ID show up?
2010-05-22 18:22 <nebajoth> no
2010-05-22 18:22 <nebajoth> but the short was sketchy
2010-05-22 18:22 <nebajoth> trying to get a solid connection
2010-05-22 18:22 <wolfspraul> ok
2010-05-22 18:22 <nebajoth> sigh
2010-05-22 18:23 <wolfspraul> I have used aluminum foil successfully, but you need to press it down very hard (I also wrinkled the aluminum foil somehow that worked better)
2010-05-22 18:23 <nebajoth> I'm going to go look for that carbonized rubber thing
2010-05-22 18:23 <nebajoth> I probably still have it
2010-05-22 18:23 <nebajoth> just didn't know waht it was for
2010-05-22 18:23 <nebajoth> brb
2010-05-22 18:23 <wolfspraul> in the factory we are using a thin screwdriver
2010-05-22 18:23 <wolfspraul> but it's a special one with a very conductive tip to be used for such purposes
2010-05-22 18:24 <wolfspraul> (so it's not a screwdriver actually, more a 'test pad shorter' :-))
2010-05-22 18:27 <nebajoth> sigh
2010-05-22 18:27 <nebajoth> not working
2010-05-22 18:27 <nebajoth> I can get it to flash the red led each time with the tinfoil
2010-05-22 18:27 <nebajoth> (coudln't find the pad)
2010-05-22 18:27 <nebajoth> but it doesn't show up in lsusb
2010-05-22 18:29 <tuxbrain> hi guys
2010-05-22 18:29 <nebajoth> haha
2010-05-22 18:29 <nebajoth> got it
2010-05-22 18:29 <nebajoth> I ALSO had to hit power
2010-05-22 18:29 <nebajoth> :P
2010-05-22 18:29 <wolfspraul> tuxbrain: hi there
2010-05-22 18:30 <tuxbrain> hi wolfspraul
2010-05-22 18:30 <tuxbrain> and the rest of course
2010-05-22 18:30 <tuxbrain> I'm totally exhausted , very intense weekend
2010-05-22 18:30 <wolfspraul> nebajoth: yes sometimes when you plug in the USB cable it won't turn on by itself. so if you don't see the ID in lsusb, you can go back short the USB boot pins again and press the power button.
2010-05-22 18:31 <wolfspraul> but first you need a way to reliably short the pins, then everything  should be easy
2010-05-22 18:31 <wolfspraul> guess you have that now...
2010-05-22 18:31 <wolfspraul> tuxbrain: how was it?
2010-05-22 18:31 <tuxbrain> just returned from Valencia
2010-05-22 18:31 <wolfspraul> sold some stuff, found potential future customers?
2010-05-22 18:32 <tuxbrain> yep
2010-05-22 18:32 <wolfspraul> learnt something new and fun?
2010-05-22 18:32 <tuxbrain> yep
2010-05-22 18:32 <nebajoth> :D
2010-05-22 18:33 <tuxbrain> the yesterday workshop in Barcelona, was planned to 10 assitance become a macro Arduino party of more than 30
2010-05-22 18:33 <tuxbrain> a lot of interest in nanonote also
2010-05-22 18:34 <wolfspraul> tuxbrain: do you feel some people might be interested in SAKC?
2010-05-22 18:35 <wolfspraul> for the Elphel camera I sent you, I did not include the keys necessary for the screws
2010-05-22 18:35 <wolfspraul> normally Elphel ships them with every camera but since I had to travel first I couldn't take them (long story)
2010-05-22 18:35 <tuxbrain> we have to talk about Sack or at least the energy control version I have heared from carlos
2010-05-22 18:35 <wolfspraul> so you need to buy 4 'hexagon keys', 0.9mm, 1.3mm, 1.5mm, 2.0mm
2010-05-22 18:36 <tuxbrain> I will search for the tool don't worry
2010-05-22 18:36 <tuxbrain> will deal with that screws even with nails if necesary
2010-05-22 18:38 <wolfspraul> tuxbrain: nebajoth bricked his Nano when trying to flash Debian with the pyneo instructions, if I understood him correctly
2010-05-22 18:39 <tuxbrain> I think people are really not conciouse of what an FPGA means on such device like SACK ,
2010-05-22 18:39 <nebajoth> wolfspraul: I wonder how much of it was pbkac
2010-05-22 18:39 <nebajoth> I did it in a hurry
2010-05-22 18:40 <nebajoth> and I don't remember it taking this long
2010-05-22 18:40 <nebajoth> so I wonder if I simply forgot to unpack the .ubi
2010-05-22 18:40 <nebajoth> or something equally silly
2010-05-22 18:41 <wolfspraul> tuxbrain: oh for sure, I think that's a great opportunity
2010-05-22 18:41 <wolfspraul> we can (and have to) explain what it means
2010-05-22 18:41 <wolfspraul> best with small sample apps that people can use as a starting point
2010-05-22 18:41 <tuxbrain> nebajoth: what rootfs are you trying? I recommend to install a light one
2010-05-22 18:41 <nebajoth> I'm currently installing pyneo's debian-lenny-mini.ubi
2010-05-22 18:42 <nebajoth> what are the benefits of an FPGA on SAKC?
2010-05-22 18:43 <wolfspraul> you program it in Verilog, it's just a very different kind of performance you can generate with that
2010-05-22 18:43 <steve|m> having a fpga + an cpu is pretty awesome I think
2010-05-22 18:43 <nebajoth> use case?
2010-05-22 18:43 <wolfspraul> you can think of an FPGA as a super-parallelized programming language
2010-05-22 18:44 <steve|m> since you have a flexible "glue logic" directly on the board, there are lots of stuff you can do with it, driving ADCs e.g.
2010-05-22 18:44 <wolfspraul> nebajoth: anything that requires real-time processing of analog data. the cpu will never be able to handle it.
2010-05-22 18:44 <nebajoth> aha
2010-05-22 18:44 <nebajoth> so like your oscilloscope demo
2010-05-22 18:44 <tuxbrain> nebajoth: in short, you have a blank chip you can install CPU or other kind of chip cores (ethernet, a buch of PWD outputs, complex logical circuitry ...)
2010-05-22 18:45 <wolfspraul> yes. you can think of verilog as a massively parallel programming language.
2010-05-22 18:45 <nebajoth> can you point me to a good starters guide for verilog?
2010-05-22 18:45 <wolfspraul> you can get a lot done on each clock cycle :-)
2010-05-22 18:46 <wolfspraul> not me unfortunately, I still haven't done any verilog coding myself.
2010-05-22 18:47 <tuxbrain> nebajoth: is just blank screen after a while?, have you tried the alt+ctrl+F2?
2010-05-22 18:47 <steve|m> same here, but I think the SAKC is a cool starting platform for this.. you can directly bootstrap the fpga from the cpu which is pretty neat
2010-05-22 18:47 <steve|m> wolfspraul: when will the sakc be available btw?
2010-05-22 18:50 <tuxbrain> steve|m:we are trying to do it as best a possible, untill now no release date, but we are on it.
2010-05-22 18:51 <steve|m> ah, okay.. cool
2010-05-22 18:52 <wolfspraul> steve|m: there are so many things moving everywhere, we have to be careful a bit
2010-05-22 18:52 <tuxbrain> nebajoth: wget http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/images/Ben_NanoNote_2GB_NAND/latest/openwrt-xburst-u-boot.bin
2010-05-22 18:52 <tuxbrain> wget http://pyneo.org/downloads/nano/openwrt-xburst-qi_lb60-uImage.bin
2010-05-22 18:52 <wolfspraul> most important for me is to make Ben NanoNote software better first
2010-05-22 18:52 <tuxbrain> wget http://mister-muffin.de/nanonote/debian-sid.ubi
2010-05-22 18:52 <wolfspraul> most of that will carry over to stuff like SAKC
2010-05-22 18:52 <wolfspraul> with 'better software' I also mean better documentation, cleaner wiki, etc.
2010-05-22 18:52 <tuxbrain> usbboot -c "boot"
2010-05-22 18:52 <tuxbrain> usbboot -c "nerase 0 4096 0 0"
2010-05-22 18:53 <tuxbrain> usbboot -c "nprog 0 openwrt-xburst-qi_lb60-u-boot.bin 0 0 -n"
2010-05-22 18:53 <tuxbrain> usbboot -c "nprog 1024 openwrt-xburst-qi_lb60-uImage.bin 0 0 -n"
2010-05-22 18:53 <tuxbrain> usbboot -c "nprog 2048 debian-sid.ubi 0 0 -n"
2010-05-22 18:55 <wolfspraul> steve|m: were you also working on osmocombb?
2010-05-22 18:56 <tuxbrain> well guys , time to some sleep here, I have "tonge-ache" of preaching about copyleft hardware cu
2010-05-22 18:56 <nebajoth> I think I know why
2010-05-22 18:56 <nebajoth> I flashed pyneo's u-boot
2010-05-22 18:56 <nebajoth> which is for the avt2-board
2010-05-22 18:56 <nebajoth> its right in the instructions
2010-05-22 18:56 <nebajoth> I'm just an idiot
2010-05-22 18:56 <steve|m> wolfspraul: yes, right.. I've got the CECT harald sent my btw
2010-05-22 18:56 <steve|m> *me
2010-05-22 18:58 <steve|m> wolfspraul: I figured out the GPIOs used for the flashlight and can do some fancy flickering with the keypad, backlight and flashlight LEDs, but it crashes with my uart driver
2010-05-22 18:58 <steve|m> wolfspraul: I guess I have to get jtag working
2010-05-22 19:01 <nebajoth> has anyone gotten bluetooth working on a NN yet?
2010-05-22 19:01 <wolfspraul> don't think so, haven't hear anything
2010-05-22 19:01 <wolfspraul> steve|m: hmm, I see
2010-05-22 19:02 <wolfspraul> well that doesn't sound too bad, seems you are making progress
2010-05-22 19:06 <steve|m> wolfspraul: yes right, once the initial obstacle of a proper serial communication is overcome, things get more easy.. but the biggest problem is the undocumented Layer1/DSP interface that has to be reverse engineered
2010-05-22 19:07 <steve|m> wolfspraul: there is leaked sourcecode available for the mtk platform, but this is basically what the phone manufacturers get, so all the GSM and DSP-related stuff is already precompiled
2010-05-22 19:09 <wolfspraul> steve|m: this is how the 6223 talks to which other chip?
2010-05-22 19:09 <wolfspraul> or is the DSP running inside the 6223 as well?
2010-05-22 19:11 <steve|m> wolfspraul: the DSP is inside the 622x, along with its program rom.. basically the same design as the TI Calypso, but the 622x do have the Analog Baseband on-die as well
2010-05-22 19:11 <steve|m> (which is a second chip on the TI calypso platform)
2010-05-22 19:14 <steve|m> and there is a shared memory interface between the ARM and DSP core.. so for reverse engineering there are multiple options.. either running the "leaked" firmware and adding some code to constantly dump the shared memory window if possible, or disassemble the MTK libraries (which luckily contain _many_ debug strings), or disassemling the DSP rom code (this is what tnt did with the Calypso rom code), luckily there is IDA support as well for t
2010-05-22 19:15 <wolfspraul> what are the other 2 chips on the C3100 doing? MTK6139BN and RDA6212+
2010-05-22 19:17 <steve|m> wolfspraul: the 6139 is the GSM transceiver, the arm communicates over a SPI-protocol with it, telling it the frequency to tune to and so on, it also drives the RDA6212, the Power Amplifier
2010-05-22 19:19 <wolfspraul> ah OK, thx
2010-05-22 20:04 <mth> does the NanoNote use alsa-lib (libasound) or only the ALSA device itself?
2010-05-22 23:13 <kristianpaul> wolfspraul: nice assebling steps of ephel camera
2010-05-22 23:16 <kristianpaul> nite
2010-05-22 23:16 <wolfspraul> 'night
2010-05-22 23:17 <wolfspraul> panda|x201: you were looking for me the other day. How can I help?
2010-05-22 23:38 <panda|x201> wolfspraul, Hi, I just want you show you this product
2010-05-22 23:38 <panda|x201> wolfspraul, http://www.amazon.com/WowWee-Rovio-Enabled-Robotic-WebCam/dp/B001CQLGD6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=toys-and-games&qid=1274585847&sr=1-1
2010-05-22 23:38 <panda|x201> wolfspraul, it looks very like the product I want to build
2010-05-22 23:42 <urandom_> panda|x201 what price do you aim for yours?
2010-05-22 23:43 <panda|x201> urandom_, well, I just want to target on "Home Robot", so price should be as lower as possible
2010-05-22 23:43 <panda|x201> wolfspraul, urandom_ I want to integrated with 3G module
2010-05-22 23:43 <panda|x201> wolfspraul, urandom_ so that you can operate it from your 3G cell phone
2010-05-22 23:44 <panda|x201> wolfspraul, urandom_ to supervise old-man, kids and pets at your home remotely
2010-05-22 23:46 <urandom_> sounds cool, i might buy one if it will be open hardware ;)
2010-05-22 23:50 <panda|x201> urandom_, well, we will focus on software part, so yes, it should be open hardware,
2010-05-22 23:51 <panda|x201> out for lunch with families ...