2010-05-21 00:13 hey! 2010-05-21 00:13 can you install Dillo on this thing yet? 2010-05-21 00:14 the nanonote I mean 2010-05-21 01:47 Hey 2010-05-21 01:47 is anyone active in here? 2010-05-21 01:48 xakh: hi 2010-05-21 01:48 hey it's you again! 2010-05-21 01:48 so I got the machine online 2010-05-21 01:49 so, xiangfu, since you made the thing for the quake demo 2010-05-21 01:50 xiangfu: now that I got it online, what should I install? 2010-05-21 01:50 xakh: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/zear/games/ 2010-05-21 01:51 xakh: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/zear/games/sdlquake-nanonote-r1.tar.bz2 2010-05-21 01:51 so do I wget that? 2010-05-21 01:52 xakh:  you better wget in your PC. then "scp" to your NanoNote. :-) 2010-05-21 01:52 I couldn't get that to work as well 2010-05-21 01:54 :( 2010-05-21 01:54 since it's running 2010-05-21 01:54 would it be possible? 2010-05-21 01:55 xiangfu: is there a way to make it show up on the gmenu2x? 2010-05-21 01:57 xakh: yes. but you need look into the gmenu2x configure. 2010-05-21 01:57 Hi, where is wolfgang? 2010-05-21 01:57 xiangfu: how does one go about that? 2010-05-21 01:58 xakh: i don't know. i don't play gmenu2x. I am study the low level coding :-) 2010-05-21 01:58 dang 2010-05-21 01:59 Well, I'm going to go to the bathroom, be right back 2010-05-21 01:59 xakh: :-) 2010-05-21 02:08 xiangfu: awesome, I got some popsicles from my minifridge 2010-05-21 02:08 alright 2010-05-21 02:09 xiangfu: important question. 2010-05-21 02:09 do I have to do all of the stuff I did before to connect my nanonote to the net? 2010-05-21 02:09 every time I plug it in? 2010-05-21 02:12 xakh: yes. there is some way can do it automatic. search the en.qi-hardware.com or google. I am just write a shell to do that 2010-05-21 02:13 I'm scared to unplug it now.... 2010-05-21 02:28 xiangfu: any tips on using opkg? 2010-05-21 02:29 xakh: opkg install ***.ipk 2010-05-21 02:29 ohhhh 2010-05-21 02:29 it has to end in .ipk? 2010-05-21 02:30 xiangfu: is .ipk for all files? 2010-05-21 02:30 xakh: must ipk 2010-05-21 02:30 didn't work 2010-05-21 06:40 xiangfu: you there? 2010-05-21 06:40 wolfspraul: yes 2010-05-21 06:42 when I create an initramfs in openwrt, I see a number of compression options: none, gzip, bzip2, lzma, lzo 2010-05-21 06:42 are they all working? which one is the best/recommended one to work with xbboot? 2010-05-21 06:43 wolfspraul: I think "lzma" is better. 2010-05-21 06:43 I select the "none" 2010-05-21 06:43 wolfspraul: not test those compression 2010-05-21 06:44 ok, thanks! maybe I try a bit... 2010-05-21 06:45 wolfspraul: seems the lzma compression code is smallest . I think I read some document somewhere. 2010-05-21 06:50 wolfspraul: bzip and lzma compressors give smaller sizes than gzip.  Lzma's decompresses faster than bzip2. 2010-05-21 06:51 wolfspraul: https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/753/ 2010-05-21 06:56 wolfspraul: from the kernel config file: usr/Kconfig line:133, lzma is better 2010-05-21 07:05 lzma gives better compression, but is slower. so if you have plenty of space it might not be the best option 2010-05-21 09:27 hi 2010-05-21 09:27 can I hook a usb keyboard to the nn? 2010-05-21 09:35 foxtrot: no, the NanoNote only has a USB client controller, not USB host 2010-05-21 09:35 so no ext keyboard options? 2010-05-21 09:36 foxtrot: no I don't think so 2010-05-21 09:37 unless you hook a whole notebook to it, and ssh into the NanoNote :-) 2010-05-21 09:40 and there is no expansion on it to ever support a keyboard? 2010-05-21 09:46 foxtrot: on the Ben NanoNote - no. The expansion comes from the microSD slot (SDIO capable), USB client (gadgets) 2010-05-21 09:46 even if theoretically something is imaginable via SDIO, it doesn't work today or in the near future 2010-05-21 09:47 should i probably wait for the next version 2010-05-21 09:48 i was planning on ordering one today 2010-05-21 09:49 if you really need an external keyboard, then yes I don't know how to do that with the Ben today, or how to encourage you to buy a Ben anyway 2010-05-21 09:49 maybe some others here in the chat have more ideas for you, but I don't 2010-05-21 09:49 foxtrot: what did you plan to do with the Ben? 2010-05-21 09:50 assembly dev 2010-05-21 09:52 to do MIPS assembly? You can ssh into the Ben from an Eee PC :-) 2010-05-21 09:52 take the Eee PC as your external keyboard 2010-05-21 09:52 indeed 2010-05-21 09:52 but it lowers the 'wow' factor 2010-05-21 09:53 since i cant bring my keyboard to an internet cafe 2010-05-21 09:53 i wonder how hard it is to type on it 2010-05-21 09:56 type on the Ben? most people like the keyboard, but of course it's not full-size 2010-05-21 09:57 for me personally it wouldn't be suitable for programming 2010-05-21 09:57 executing prepared scripts, sure that works well 2010-05-21 09:58 but writing whole programs? nah... :-) 2010-05-21 09:59 i mean im using an 8.9" eeepc right now 2010-05-21 09:59 im known for typing on tiny keyboards :) 2010-05-21 09:59 despite my gargantuan hands 2010-05-21 10:01 no the ben nanonote is a lot smaller! 2010-05-21 10:02 compare it to a blackberry keyboard 2010-05-21 10:02 you cannot do real programming on that keyboard, I would say 2010-05-21 10:02 unless you can do it on a blackberry too... 2010-05-21 10:02 much like the theory of computer science 2010-05-21 10:02 if given the time, anything is typable :) 2010-05-21 10:03 having said that, most people like the keyboard, I think it's one of the mechanically best part of the product 2010-05-21 10:03 s/part/parts/ 2010-05-21 10:04 gotta go, late here... 2010-05-21 10:04 'night 2010-05-21 13:21 yo dudes. 2010-05-21 13:21 so, what's new in the world of the nanonote? 2010-05-21 13:21 also, how do you set the time? 2010-05-21 13:31 Xakh: date 2010-05-21 13:31 ok 2010-05-21 13:31 also 2010-05-21 13:31 I changed the theme in gmenu2x just now 2010-05-21 13:32 and now when it boots 2010-05-21 13:32 instead of going to gui 2010-05-21 13:32 it acts like it's starting 2010-05-21 13:32 then the screen blanks 2010-05-21 13:32 and doesn't work 2010-05-21 13:36 and now i tried to reset it and the screen went white 2010-05-21 13:37 and is staying white 2010-05-21 13:38 anyone had these problems? 2010-05-21 13:41 hello, 2010-05-21 13:41 ? 2010-05-21 13:44 is anyone here? 2010-05-21 13:47 jlmoko: you have any experience troubleshooting the nanos? 2010-05-21 13:49 no but I can try 2010-05-21 13:49 ok 2010-05-21 13:49 when i changed my gmenu settings, it messed up 2010-05-21 13:49 when i boot it acts like it's going to goto gmenu 2010-05-21 13:49 then the screen goes black and stops responding 2010-05-21 13:50 should i just reflash? 2010-05-21 13:51 could you conect to the nano via usb network 2010-05-21 13:51 no, i can't even get it to stay working 2010-05-21 13:51 it runs fine for the first minute 2010-05-21 13:51 then even if i ctrl alt f1 to terminal 2010-05-21 13:52 it blank screens 2010-05-21 13:52 and I'm on my phone so i don't have access to the tools to reflash it atm 2010-05-21 13:52 and i busted a pencil in the reset 2010-05-21 13:52 so it keeps resetting 2010-05-21 13:52 gotta fish that out with a paperclip in a minute 2010-05-21 13:53 not a good day thus far for me... 2010-05-21 13:54 you think there's a way to save it, or would reflashing be my only option? 2010-05-21 13:54 on the openwrt initial screen can you get a shell just pressing enter  & ctl L 2010-05-21 13:54 i can't get it to boot right now 2010-05-21 13:54 something is stuck against the reset button 2010-05-21 13:55 i get a break in a few minutes, and then i'll grab a paperclip 2010-05-21 13:55 then i'll try to  use ctrl l 2010-05-21 13:56 just looking for possible solutions 2010-05-21 13:56 is there a way to manually edit the gmenu prefs? 2010-05-21 13:56 like with nano? 2010-05-21 14:00 you can also try another chvt ( looks like there arere 8 of them 2010-05-21 14:00 like with ctrl alt and the f keys, right? 2010-05-21 14:01 because when i went to different ones the screen still blanked 2010-05-21 14:01 yes , also you could edit the gmenu confiles with vi 2010-05-21 14:02 or nano or joe no emacs :( 2010-05-21 14:03 alright 2010-05-21 14:04 still can't get it booting 2010-05-21 14:04 aaaahhh 2010-05-21 14:04 i hope i didn't brick it 2010-05-21 14:04 but outside gmenux only alt f1-f8 is necesary 2010-05-21 14:05 you see the openwrt screen splash 2010-05-21 14:05 no, it doesn't even turn on right now 2010-05-21 14:06 i'm hoping that's due to the reset button 2010-05-21 14:06 and not it being permanently broken 2010-05-21 14:08 hm 2010-05-21 14:08 when i plug it to a power source the red light comes on 2010-05-21 14:09 so it's at least partly working 2010-05-21 14:09 Xakh, sounds like the bootloader wasn't flashed properly 2010-05-21 14:09 it happens to me every time i try to flash the device with the flash script 2010-05-21 14:10 but it worked yesterday 2010-05-21 14:10 do it manually and it won't fail 2010-05-21 14:10 oh 2010-05-21 14:10 I 'll dupt it is broken but you may end using the carbonized ruber 2010-05-21 14:10 anyway, you can't brick a nanonote 2010-05-21 14:10 you promise? 2010-05-21 14:10 it has a system-on-chip that is responsible for usb boot mode 2010-05-21 14:11 awesome. 2010-05-21 14:11 so even if you damaged the whole nand you could still switch it to the usbboot and flash nand again 2010-05-21 14:11 i think something's stuck in the reset button though 2010-05-21 14:11 like, holding the button down 2010-05-21 14:12 so would that be causing that? 2010-05-21 14:12 Xakh, nah, holding reset constantly makes the screen to turn white 2010-05-21 14:12 it did that 2010-05-21 14:12 then it stopped turning on 2010-05-21 14:13 battery 2010-05-21 14:13 might be completely discharged 2010-05-21 14:13 can you boot the system without the battery? 2010-05-21 14:13 no 2010-05-21 14:13 hmm.. can you short the pins and switch the device into the usbboot mode? 2010-05-21 14:13 i also have none of the extra parts 2010-05-21 14:13 and flash u-boot again 2010-05-21 14:14 i don't have the rubber, i'm stuck somewhere for the next hour 2010-05-21 14:14 if it's not turning on, but the red light comes on it means u-boot fails to boot 2010-05-21 14:14 ah 2010-05-21 14:14 well, you could use the aluminum foil 2010-05-21 14:14 also, i'm using an android irc client, and don't have my laptop 2010-05-21 14:15 my troubleshooting's hard... 2010-05-21 14:15 even with all this 2010-05-21 14:16 i did do a little nanoproject though 2010-05-21 14:16 hardware based, not software, though 2010-05-21 14:16 i made a surge protected charger for the nn 2010-05-21 14:17 that also doubles as a ups 2010-05-21 14:17 i can tell you guys how to make one, if you'd like... 2010-05-21 14:18 well i thought it was cool. 2010-05-21 14:20 and I'm alone again... 2010-05-21 14:28 alright 2010-05-21 14:28 got the pencil lead out 2010-05-21 14:28 and it booted! 2010-05-21 14:30 however it still blanks after the openwrt screen 2010-05-21 14:30 i'm gonna reflash 2010-05-21 15:03 to reflash I just sudo and run the .sh file, right? 2010-05-21 15:04 xakh, yes, but i'd recommend the manual flashing 2010-05-21 15:04 alright 2010-05-21 15:04 how do I go about doing that? 2010-05-21 15:04 as it seems .sh messes up your u-boot (like it does with mine nanonote) 2010-05-21 15:04 it's just a couple of simple commands 2010-05-21 15:04 let me point you to the right page on the wiki 2010-05-21 15:05 well mine only messed up after I reconfigured gmenu2x, but still, manual flashing looks good 2010-05-21 15:05 xakh, http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/How_to_reflash#Example 2010-05-21 15:05 you might need to read that page from the beginning, as not sure if the .sh script installs usbboot or not 2010-05-21 15:06 I have xburst tools installed 2010-05-21 15:06 but yeah, if you have the "usbboot" command in your system, to flash the u-boot you need to run just this single command: 2010-05-21 15:06 sudo usbboot -c "boot;nprog 0 openwrt-xburst-u-boot.bin 0 0 -n" 2010-05-21 15:06 of course change the u-boot.bin name to your file 2010-05-21 15:06 what file? 2010-05-21 15:06 you need to download the newest u-boot :) 2010-05-21 15:07 here: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/images/Ben_NanoNote_2GB_NAND/latest/ 2010-05-21 15:07 ok 2010-05-21 15:07 then point the above command to whatever name your u-boot.bin file has 2010-05-21 15:08 i guess it's openwrt-xburst-u-boot.bin 2010-05-21 15:08 that one's the newest? 2010-05-21 15:08 yep 2010-05-21 15:08 ok 2010-05-21 15:08 it's in the "latest" dir so i believe it's the newest you can get 2010-05-21 15:09 do I have to type the address of nanonote? 2010-05-21 15:09 nope 2010-05-21 15:09 you need to switch it to the usbboot mode 2010-05-21 15:09 and usbboot will detect it 2010-05-21 15:09 it's in it 2010-05-21 15:09 that's what the first part of this command do, the usbboot-c "boot; 2010-05-21 15:09 ok 2010-05-21 15:09 ah... 2010-05-21 15:10 I'm pretty easily confused, sorry... 2010-05-21 15:10 nah, it's just pretty confusing 2010-05-21 15:10 but once you get it it's quite simple :) 2010-05-21 15:10 alright 2010-05-21 15:10 so what do I type first? 2010-05-21 15:11 first go to the dir where you downloaded your uboot image 2010-05-21 15:11 it's in home so I'm good there. 2010-05-21 15:11 then type sudo usbboot -c "boot;nprog 0 your_u-boot_file.bin 0 0 -n" 2010-05-21 15:12 of course that will work only if the nanonote is in the usbboot mode and is plugged to the usb 2010-05-21 15:12 so switch it to usbboot and plug it in first :) 2010-05-21 15:12 it's already there, I'm glad I figured that out though 2010-05-21 15:16 http://pastebin.com/dXT4BQCT 2010-05-21 15:16 there's the output 2010-05-21 15:16 just checking if that means it did well 2010-05-21 15:19 zear: would you look over the output and see if it worked? 2010-05-21 15:19 looks fine, but you might want to run the command again just to be sure 2010-05-21 15:19 ok 2010-05-21 15:19 as it happened to me before that i had to run commands twice to flash 2010-05-21 15:19 as the first time, despite no errors in logs, the flashing process failed 2010-05-21 15:20 alright 2010-05-21 15:20 if the second log is the same, you can unplug your nanonote 2010-05-21 15:20 and see if it works 2010-05-21 15:20 okay 2010-05-21 15:21 heh, I like that the nand size is actually 4096 kb 2010-05-21 15:21 not 4000 kb like most 2gb devices 2010-05-21 15:23 nope 2010-05-21 15:23 still blanks on loading GUI 2010-05-21 15:23 anything printed on screen? 2010-05-21 15:23 yeah, the splash 2010-05-21 15:23 ok, that's good 2010-05-21 15:23 but even if I move to a different terminal 2010-05-21 15:23 it means not only the u-boot was damaged 2010-05-21 15:23 the screen still blanks 2010-05-21 15:24 but also the kernel/rootfs 2010-05-21 15:24 oh 2010-05-21 15:24 so now you need to flash the rest :) 2010-05-21 15:24 so should I just run the script to test it now? 2010-05-21 15:24 also, I think I dropped the button. 2010-05-21 15:24 http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/How_to_reflash#Example 2010-05-21 15:24 oh shit 2010-05-21 15:24 I'll brb 2010-05-21 15:24 dropped the button 2010-05-21 15:24 the carbonated one? 2010-05-21 15:24 yeah 2010-05-21 15:24 :O 2010-05-21 15:24 it's damn hard to find on a carpet :D 2010-05-21 15:25 luckily I put it in the bag 2010-05-21 15:25 wooot 2010-05-21 15:25 it was stuck on my arm 2010-05-21 15:25 anyway, check the rest of commands in that link 2010-05-21 15:25 hehe 2010-05-21 15:25 i once found it on my t-shirt ;) 2010-05-21 15:25 lol 2010-05-21 15:26 as you need to flash the whole thing (kernel/rootfs), i suggest you run all the commands listed in the "Example" 2010-05-21 15:26 beginning with erasing the whole nand 2010-05-21 15:27 alrighty 2010-05-21 15:27 did that 2010-05-21 15:28 if anywhere during the flashing process you notice the "FAIL" in the logs, run the command again 2010-05-21 15:28 until it returns only SUCCESS 2010-05-21 15:29 kernel and rootfs can be found in the same link as u-boot: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/images/Ben_NanoNote_2GB_NAND/latest/ 2010-05-21 15:29 oh, and rootfs is the lb60-uImage.bin, not lb60-rootfs.tgz :) 2010-05-21 15:29 thanks 2010-05-21 15:29 err.. wrong 2010-05-21 15:30 qi_lb60-root.ubi and not the .tgz one 2010-05-21 15:30 uImage.bin is the kernel ;) 2010-05-21 15:32 ok 2010-05-21 15:32 can I add things to the ubi? 2010-05-21 15:33 I was thinking of moving my wallpaper and a few .ogg files 2010-05-21 15:34 http://i.imgur.com/izfiz.png 2010-05-21 15:35 which is the coolest wallpaper ever, btw 2010-05-21 15:35 zear: do you know how to modify .ubi files? 2010-05-21 15:46 okay, flashed the second part 2010-05-21 15:46 and flashed it twice 2010-05-21 15:46 to be sure 2010-05-21 15:46 now for the rootfs 2010-05-21 15:49 xakh, nah, i know nothing about .ubi format 2010-05-21 15:50 dang 2010-05-21 15:50 but i'm sure some other guys on this channel know about it 2010-05-21 15:50 oh well 2010-05-21 15:50 as for the rootfs, flashing takes a while, so i don't know if you want to flash it twice :) 2010-05-21 15:50 the cp command works well 2010-05-21 15:51 nice wallpaper :) 2010-05-21 15:51 I thought so 2010-05-21 15:51 you can change your wallpaper in gmenu2x btw 2010-05-21 15:51 :P 2010-05-21 15:51 no need to manually overwrite the files 2010-05-21 15:51 I know, it was on the nano 2010-05-21 15:52 the cp command takes too long 2010-05-21 15:52 hey frank 2010-05-21 15:52 btw I got the net working 2010-05-21 15:52 excellent! 2010-05-21 15:52 then I changed a bunch of settings and bricked meself, so now I'm reflashing 2010-05-21 15:53 oh btw, the google home page is a playable game of pac man today 2010-05-21 15:53 I think the coin command is 3 2010-05-21 15:53 if not it's 1 or 2 2010-05-21 15:53 xakh, oh it's playable? 2010-05-21 15:53 since I hit those and it let me play 2010-05-21 15:53 yeah 2010-05-21 15:53 awesome right> 2010-05-21 15:53 ? 2010-05-21 15:53 yep :) 2010-05-21 15:53 ok 2010-05-21 15:53 rootfs is almost done flashing 2010-05-21 15:53 these things are indestructable 2010-05-21 15:54 Mine had "insert coin" where the random link button usually is 2010-05-21 15:54 hah 2010-05-21 15:55 pacman claims another victim 2010-05-21 15:55 oop, there you are 2010-05-21 15:55 xakh, it even has a 2 player mode :D 2010-05-21 15:56 I know, bad ass right? 2010-05-21 15:56 argh, trying to add a server in irssi, not change servers 2010-05-21 15:56 xakh, totally 2010-05-21 15:56 hey, so if anyone's interested, I designed a Q&D surge protected charger for the nanonote 2010-05-21 15:57 I can show you guys the parts necessary to make it 2010-05-21 15:57 what's a surge protected charger? 2010-05-21 15:57 basically, the power is regulated 2010-05-21 15:58 so if there's a power surge and it's not plugged into a surge protector (which is one of those things that you plug in with all the extra outlets) 2010-05-21 15:58 it'll keep the power surge from reaching the nn 2010-05-21 15:58 of course parts/schemes/howtos are welcome :) 2010-05-21 15:58 well, it's pretty simple 2010-05-21 15:59 as long as they have an open license, feel free to upload them on the wiki 2010-05-21 16:00 well, it's basically three pieces 2010-05-21 16:00 first, you have the USB cable, of course 2010-05-21 16:00 then you have this 2010-05-21 16:00 http://www.jr.com/digipower-solutions/pe/DPS_JS1V3/ 2010-05-21 16:01 http://www.jr.com/paramount-wireless/pe/IHM_CHKMTV3/ 2010-05-21 16:02 and that 2010-05-21 16:02 when you put them together 2010-05-21 16:02 the charger charges the mini battery first, then charges the NN 2010-05-21 16:02 so if there's a power outage 2010-05-21 16:02 not only is the nn protected 2010-05-21 16:02 but it has a little extra juice 2010-05-21 16:02 sounds cool 2010-05-21 16:02 yeah, it worked well 2010-05-21 16:03 so basically the middle part is a kind of a battery? 2010-05-21 16:03 brb 2010-05-21 16:04 yup 2010-05-21 16:04 you plug the cable into the wall adapter 2010-05-21 16:04 and then the battery 2010-05-21 16:04 and then you plug the battery into the nano 2010-05-21 16:05 and you can take the battery with you to charge your nanonote when there's no power outlet around. Clever :) 2010-05-21 16:07 yeah, I'd picked it up for my phone 2010-05-21 16:07 but it was easily repurposed 2010-05-21 16:08 it also has a little flash light on it, not related to the surge protectore 2010-05-21 16:08 and I don't know why it has one 2010-05-21 16:08 but there's a button, and it turns on a bright white led 2010-05-21 16:08 so it has that too 2010-05-21 16:08 I like it. 2010-05-21 16:09 quite handy 2010-05-21 16:10 okay 2010-05-21 16:10 it reflashed 2010-05-21 16:10 wish me luck! 2010-05-21 16:11 woot! 2010-05-21 16:12 it booted! 2010-05-21 16:12 good luck! 2010-05-21 16:17 where's the directory for the wallpapers on gmenu2x again? 2010-05-21 16:17 the directory for wallpapers is /usr/share/ 2010-05-21 16:17 what comes after that? 2010-05-21 16:20 anyone? 2010-05-21 17:00 xakh: the file i think 2010-05-21 17:00 just put it there 2010-05-21 17:00 found out it takes forever to get to 2010-05-21 17:00 why? 2010-05-21 17:00 it's /user/share/gmenu2x/Default/wallpapers 2010-05-21 22:09 hey, anyone here good with packaging for the nanonote? 2010-05-21 23:14 hey 2010-05-21 23:15 does anyone have like, a shell script 2010-05-21 23:15 to add new files to gmenu2X? 2010-05-21 23:15 I really wanna add prboom. 2010-05-21 23:18 maybe zear knows, but he's probably sleeping :-) 2010-05-21 23:19 damnation! 2010-05-21 23:19 all the geniuses slumber.