2010-05-20 00:01 foxtrot: but we can not use that mouse. 2010-05-20 00:09 where is it 2010-05-20 03:46 hi 2010-05-20 03:50 hi foxtrot, just a quick answer... there is no mouse :P 2010-05-20 03:50 touchscreen? 2010-05-20 03:51 nop 2010-05-20 03:52 hmm 2010-05-20 03:54 why you need them? 2010-05-20 03:54 im... not sure 2010-05-20 03:55 why dont i need them? :) 2010-05-20 03:56 becouse you don't have it :P 2010-05-20 03:57 happiness is the lack of needs 2010-05-20 04:03 jokes apart the idea is to porting apps on nano that use the keys to manage it , and if for any reason there is a need of mouse, we can simulate it with the arrow keys. 2010-05-20 04:06 true 2010-05-20 04:07 hows the GUI work 2010-05-20 04:11 theÂ Â gmenu2x (the application launcher we are using now) has a little messy keymap heritage of his origins (the console gp2x32, Dingoo,....) but you get used quickly, to select an app the arrow keys, to lauch it "x", to change section "q" and "p", contextual menu "esc", help "z", settings "enter" 2010-05-20 04:11 and then each app has his own key usage 2010-05-20 04:12 gmu the music player is the best I think due it keymap has been designed with bnn in mind 2010-05-20 04:20 does it have bash? 2010-05-20 04:27 In openwrt youÂ Â have by defaultÂ Â a light version called ash, but it works the same way in debian by default you have bash 2010-05-20 04:28 i want to do MIPS asm dev on it 2010-05-20 04:28 so i need vim 2010-05-20 04:28 bluefish would be siiick but i doubt itd run 2010-05-20 04:28 for development inside the ben I recomend debian 2010-05-20 04:30 I'm compiling for atmel micros in the nano :D 2010-05-20 04:31 im writing code for sgimips in asm 2010-05-20 04:31 im hoping i can use the nanonote for that 2010-05-20 04:34 I don't know why not 2010-05-20 05:32 hey 2010-05-20 05:32 anybody of openmotic here? 2010-05-20 06:42 vegyraupe, do you know who is involved in the openmotic project (except carlos)? 2010-05-20 06:47 hey mirko 2010-05-20 06:47 I would check the ML, one sec 2010-05-20 06:48 Juan Camilo Chaparro 2010-05-20 06:48 but I don't have any details on anything :) 2010-05-20 06:50 vegyraupe, ok, thanks 2010-05-20 06:50 so i'll write to the mailing list 2010-05-20 08:28 vegyraupe, do you know his handle in irc? 2010-05-20 08:32 mirko: nope sry 2010-05-20 12:19 wolfspraul: Nanonote arrived! :) 2010-05-20 12:26 rafa: ha, great! 2010-05-20 12:28 yeah! so happy here 2010-05-20 12:30 save some of the energy for the frustrations that will surely come... :-) 2010-05-20 12:30 why? 2010-05-20 12:30 unless you are like David who can somehow stay happy no matter how hopeless things look around him :-) 2010-05-20 12:30 frustrations? 2010-05-20 12:31 u-boot problems, USB boot pins, just general learning about the device 2010-05-20 12:31 I usually try to stay happy no matter how near we are of the end of this world Ãƒ:) 2010-05-20 12:31 he, OK. Like David. Great, then you can master anything! 2010-05-20 12:33 wolfspraul: you can see me here happy with my NN when I got yesterday really bad news (my company canceled my Linux project because they can not pay my salary anymore.Â Â And you already know how few Linux projects Arg has to get a job there) 2010-05-20 12:33 so I will survive whn uboot problems appears ;) 2010-05-20 12:43 Xiangfu Liu: cleanup mmc driver. remove the mmc_protocol.h http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/d85249d 2010-05-20 12:47 rafa that's the spirit :) 2010-05-20 12:48 tuxbrain: yeah ;) I need to learn from you and to open a tuxbrain 2 here in Arg :) 2010-05-20 12:53 rafa: wow sorry to hear that 2010-05-20 12:54 I think there is still way too little Linux/free software business out there. 2010-05-20 12:54 it's growing, but man those are hard earned dollars 2010-05-20 12:54 much much much much easier to make money with proprietary software 2010-05-20 12:56 Xiangfu Liu: [xburst][u-boot] add ext2 command http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/9448f6f 2010-05-20 12:58 hehehe rafa, run run safe your health run and don't look back, here are dragons!!! 2010-05-20 13:01 Carlos Camargo: Adding new SAKC version, including LED circuit. http://qi-hw.com/p/nn-usb-fpga/26b0c73 2010-05-20 13:46 tuxbrain: wolfspraul ;) he, thanks for your words :) .. 2010-05-20 13:47 wolfspraul: yeah, there are some ways to do cool business with free software and Linux, just that I am a really bad business man :) I prefer to get a job as Linux developer or consultant (Linux admin or to help people to decide which hardware/software to use and how to use it ;) ) 2010-05-20 13:49 so I am comfortable as employee. Perhaps I woult try a tuxbrain here if I can do/support the Linux software side of the gadgets to offer ;) 2010-05-20 13:53 rafa: tuxbrain Argentina, that would be awesome 2010-05-20 13:54 'night everybody 2010-05-20 14:00 mirko: do you know the OpenMotic wiki pages? http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/OpenMotic 2010-05-20 14:00 I think some of your questions might be answered there. 2010-05-20 14:00 wolfspraul, yes 2010-05-20 14:00 wolfspraul, i read through 2010-05-20 14:01 ah OK 2010-05-20 14:01 however i didn't get actually yet, what openmotic is trying to be :) (UI? home-control? picture-frame-frontend?) 2010-05-20 14:14 waves 2010-05-20 14:39 hallo! 2010-05-20 14:40 I have a nanonote on the way, and I was just wondering about a few things. 2010-05-20 14:41 so, here we go! 2010-05-20 14:41 can i use a usb mouse? 2010-05-20 14:42 Xakh: no 2010-05-20 14:42 and how well is the debian install working? can i get to a graphical interface (screen, byobu, etc) 2010-05-20 14:42 ok, glad i asked then. 2010-05-20 14:42 obviously i don't want to run X 2010-05-20 14:44 debian is running fine, screen working, byoubu I don't know what it is 2010-05-20 14:44 crap, forgot my third question. 2010-05-20 14:44 byobu's a fork of screen 2010-05-20 14:44 i like it's hotkeys 2010-05-20 14:44 *its 2010-05-20 14:44 then I guess meanwhile is on debian repos is only matter to apt-get it :) 2010-05-20 14:45 Xakh, you can't use any usb device, as the usb slot in the nanonote is not a host 2010-05-20 14:45 ahhhhh, that makes sense! is there a way for me to hack one in? 2010-05-20 14:46 Xakh:no 2010-05-20 14:46 there's a next gen dev board with usb host 2010-05-20 14:46 oh, and can i format a microsd card as swap, to get some extra ram? 2010-05-20 14:46 yep, that should be possible 2010-05-20 14:46 though would wear the card a bit 2010-05-20 14:46 is the negative man and zear the positive one :P 2010-05-20 14:46 if I put in a say, 2gb one, could I run X? 2010-05-20 14:46 memory cards have a limited read/write cycle number 2010-05-20 14:47 i know, but i have one i bought specifically to do that with. 2010-05-20 14:47 you can run X even without it using kdrive as xorg server 2010-05-20 14:47 sorry client 2010-05-20 14:47 but nowadays you can buy cards with everlasting warranty, so who knows, maybe they could replace it if it was worn out :D 2010-05-20 14:47 I know, but i was thinking running LXDE 2010-05-20 14:48 so I'd need a bit of ram for a desktop env 2010-05-20 14:48 x11 should run with just 32mb ram 2010-05-20 14:48 it works with other devices that have 32 2010-05-20 14:48 or even 16mb ram 2010-05-20 14:48 sweet! 2010-05-20 14:48 the main problem would be the screen size 2010-05-20 14:49 eh, I got good eyes. I'm on IRC from my g1 2010-05-20 14:49 all that boaders, bars and buttons would take 90% of the screen space :P 2010-05-20 14:49 i have some experience with using X11 on a 640x320 res device 2010-05-20 14:49 well, that's why i was going to use lxde, its taskbar is only about 20 px tall, and window decorations only 10 px 2010-05-20 14:49 and most of the apps are really really hard to use because of the gui being too big for that res 2010-05-20 14:50 and here we deal with 1/2 smaller res :P 2010-05-20 14:50 ohh, I forgot about that. 2010-05-20 14:50 I have a bunch of questions up on the talk page too 2010-05-20 14:51 but I figured here would be a good spot to chat with people about this. 2010-05-20 14:51 I mentioned I wanted one to a friend of mine, and he just bought one for me 2010-05-20 14:51 it was sorta like whoa 2010-05-20 14:52 :D 2010-05-20 14:52 yeah, really excited, supposed to be here tomorrow 2010-05-20 14:52 nanonote is a nice little device, but you must remember it has it's own limits 2010-05-20 14:52 where are you from Xakh? 2010-05-20 14:52 usa 2010-05-20 14:53 i've seen some reviews in press that were complaining about it 2010-05-20 14:53 ok :) wellcome to small lovely free devices world 2010-05-20 14:53 IÂ´m still figuring out what to use mine for (other than irc, heh) 2010-05-20 14:53 because it can't run windows, normal desktop programs, etc etc 2010-05-20 14:53 that's why it's so cool. 2010-05-20 14:53 hahahaha windows!? 2010-05-20 14:54 so when someone buys a nanonote he needs to think of it more in terms of a handheld calendar rather than a full feature laptop 2010-05-20 14:54 because it can't 2010-05-20 14:54 yes, i have no interest in x86 platform 2010-05-20 14:54 or atom 2010-05-20 14:54 because it uses windows 2010-05-20 14:54 x86 is dying and fast. 2010-05-20 14:54 well, it should have died a long time ago now 2010-05-20 14:55 while I love my massive Linux gaming rig, I know it's on its way out 2010-05-20 14:55 the only reason it didn't die yet is because all that games and apps for windows are x86 compatible 2010-05-20 14:55 yup. 2010-05-20 14:55 so windows can't just switch to arm or mips, or they'll lose the software support 2010-05-20 14:56 but well, that's their problem. In linux world you can always recompile your apps :) 2010-05-20 14:56 still, with 2gb RAM this thing'll be pretty fast, right? 2010-05-20 14:56 not a full laptop 2010-05-20 14:56 with 2gb ram - yes. With 2gb swap - nope 2010-05-20 14:56 ah 2010-05-20 14:56 well, faster? 2010-05-20 14:56 i mean, microsd cards are pretty zippy, right? 2010-05-20 14:57 there were 40gb drives in the '90s, but i never heard of someone making a 40GB swap on them and having a super fast computer :) 2010-05-20 14:57 hah 2010-05-20 14:57 true, but they weren't solid state 2010-05-20 14:57 i don't know what is the max read/write speed limit of an SD card 2010-05-20 14:57 i'll check. 2010-05-20 14:57 but it's probably not even close to ram 2010-05-20 14:58 i don't know much of ram, but i guess it works a bit differently, or else we'd use the 4GB nand for swap ;) 2010-05-20 14:58 *2GB 2010-05-20 15:04 okaaay. 2010-05-20 15:04 so! 2010-05-20 15:05 there we are. 2010-05-20 15:05 max r/w: 10 mb/s, 1,000,000 rewrites. 2010-05-20 15:05 on microsd 2010-05-20 15:05 not bad 2010-05-20 15:06 so, how would it do as swap? 2010-05-20 15:07 oh, and is there any way to make the microsd slot act as a usb slot? 2010-05-20 15:08 i saw that little wireless card do it 2010-05-20 15:10 and does the nn come with the latest version of openwrt, or am i going to have to reflash it myself? 2010-05-20 15:12 man, place be deaaad 2010-05-20 15:12 I'll be back later 2010-05-20 15:12 Xakh: reflashing is needed for newest openwrt 2010-05-20 15:12 ok 2010-05-20 15:12 the one it comes with 2010-05-20 15:12 does it have gmenu 2010-05-20 15:12 ? 2010-05-20 15:13 gmenu? 2010-05-20 15:13 the new frontend 2010-05-20 15:13 gmenu2x 2010-05-20 15:13 Yeah, though it is the first thing I get rid of on reflash 2010-05-20 15:13 really? I think it looks neat. 2010-05-20 15:14 Looks cool, but I do a lot more console stuff with the nn 2010-05-20 15:14 does it have access to a terminal emu? 2010-05-20 15:15 Like minicom? 2010-05-20 15:15 in gmenu, i mean 2010-05-20 15:15 Not by default 2010-05-20 15:15 hmm. 2010-05-20 15:16 I think you can ctrl-alt-f1 to a shell, iirc 2010-05-20 15:16 I think my first nanoproject will be making gmenu a really useful front end for the nn 2010-05-20 15:17 I'm getting mine in tomorrow, really excited. 2010-05-20 15:17 I think IÂ´d like to work out a reliable config backup script so I donÂ´t have to keep rewriting everything when I reflash. 2010-05-20 15:17 heh 2010-05-20 15:18 basically, I wanna make the nn accessible, so that people won't be so scared of copyleft projects 2010-05-20 15:20 makeÂ Â a good frontend that works on any xburst system, so we could sell these as all sorts of stuff 2010-05-20 15:21 holy crap nanonote came a day early 2010-05-20 15:22 it's right here 2010-05-20 15:22 Oooh! 2010-05-20 15:27 okay so i turned it on 2010-05-20 15:27 what do i do to start gmenu 2010-05-20 15:27 Should autostart on boot if installed 2010-05-20 15:27 it ain't 2010-05-20 15:28 command is g2menux iirc 2010-05-20 15:28 might need to reflash first 2010-05-20 15:29 yes the firmware out of the box is a little old 2010-05-20 15:29 you better reflash to the latest image 2010-05-20 15:30 FrankBlues: +1 to this backup script 2010-05-20 15:32 tuxbrain: IÂ´ve got an old 256mb microsd IÂ´ve beenusing to manually backup, but it isnÂ´t eficient. 2010-05-20 15:32 effiÃ‚cient even 2010-05-20 15:55 The irssi for nn has no script support? 2010-05-20 16:33 So I put a big question up on the talk page. 2010-05-20 16:34 This is one of my first electronic projects, so how do I reflash this thing? 2010-05-20 16:37 Hi there! 2010-05-20 16:37 so I'm up on my laptop 2010-05-20 16:37 how do I go about shorting this battery connector? 2010-05-20 16:37 or whatever you have to do to update 2010-05-20 16:40 use the little button looking thing 2010-05-20 16:40 that came in the box? 2010-05-20 16:40 what do I do with it? 2010-05-20 16:40 it fits perfectly over the contacts underneath 2010-05-20 16:40 there's only one... 2010-05-20 16:41 I'm gonna go grab it 2010-05-20 16:41 do I need anything else? 2010-05-20 16:41 put it over the contacts in the battery compartment, hold it down while plugging in the usb. 2010-05-20 16:43 awesome! 2010-05-20 16:43 okay is it supposed to turn on then? 2010-05-20 16:44 screen will remain blank 2010-05-20 16:44 edamn 2010-05-20 16:44 which way do I hold it? 2010-05-20 16:45 the little cup in on the brass, or the other way? 2010-05-20 16:45 as if it were a pushbutton 2010-05-20 16:45 ok 2010-05-20 16:46 okay 2010-05-20 16:46 screen is blank 2010-05-20 16:46 now what? 2010-05-20 16:47 can I let go? 2010-05-20 16:47 yes, let go 2010-05-20 16:47 okay 2010-05-20 16:47 my laptop's not detecting anything either 2010-05-20 16:47 is that normal? 2010-05-20 16:48 do an lspci on the laptop 2010-05-20 16:48 ok 2010-05-20 16:48 holy crap lots of stuff 2010-05-20 16:48 you should see a 601a:4740 line 2010-05-20 16:48 with no hw description 2010-05-20 16:50 http://pastebin.com/uDnY1sUf 2010-05-20 16:50 there's the output 2010-05-20 16:51 I don't see that thing you said 2010-05-20 16:51 crap, lsusb, not lspci 2010-05-20 16:51 ahh 2010-05-20 16:52 http://pastebin.com/6CrSjqGk 2010-05-20 16:53 I don't know what Acer's made here 2010-05-20 16:54 if you donÂ´t see the 601a line, you may need to try again 2010-05-20 16:54 crapppp 2010-05-20 16:55 make sure not to use any hub in between the nn and your computer 2010-05-20 16:56 you can do a "watch lsusb" to keep an eye out for the nn 2010-05-20 16:57 no hub, just a USB port 2010-05-20 16:57 kk 2010-05-20 16:58 hmm 2010-05-20 16:58 well it detects when it turns on 2010-05-20 16:58 woo 2010-05-20 16:59 got it? 2010-05-20 16:59 can I push the little brass tabs with my fingers? 2010-05-20 16:59 no, it turned on when I plugged it in 2010-05-20 16:59 and it thinks it's an ethernet port 2010-05-20 16:59 they need to be shorted while it is off. 2010-05-20 16:59 I was just messing around with it, seeing if the connection itself worked 2010-05-20 17:00 but can I short it with my fingers? 2010-05-20 17:00 ethernet over usb 2010-05-20 17:00 right 2010-05-20 17:00 that popped right up 2010-05-20 17:00 I doubt it, but worth a shot. 2010-05-20 17:00 If you can o 2010-05-20 17:00 if I can plug it with my fingers you mean? 2010-05-20 17:01 position the button thingy right over the contacts it usually works 2010-05-20 17:01 and then I hold it down, right? 2010-05-20 17:02 yep, hold it while connecting the usb cable 2010-05-20 17:02 and keep it down 2010-05-20 17:02 could I use duct tape? 2010-05-20 17:03 just wondering, this thing seems to be shredding up the button 2010-05-20 17:03 if it is conductive enough 2010-05-20 17:03 hmm 2010-05-20 17:04 if it's conductive enough, so can I use like, a small piece of wire? 2010-05-20 17:04 because I keep holding this button and it doesn't work 2010-05-20 17:04 sure, as long as it shorts the contacts 2010-05-20 17:04 ok 2010-05-20 17:05 gimme a sec, I have a bunch of old USB cables, and one of them's shorted on its own, so I'm going to cannibalize it for parts 2010-05-20 17:05 kk 2010-05-20 17:05 the shield from a usb cable might work 2010-05-20 17:06 also, that's the little metal thing that says "usb boot" on it, why's it there? 2010-05-20 17:06 I'm supposed to be shorting the battery contacts, making it think there's a battery there, right? 2010-05-20 17:06 or something like that? 2010-05-20 17:06 no, short the pins on the usb boot pins 2010-05-20 17:07 the button should fit directly over the usb boot pads 2010-05-20 17:08 ohhhhhhhhhhhh 2010-05-20 17:08 and leave the battery out 2010-05-20 17:08 ok 2010-05-20 17:08 so the little thing that says usb boot 2010-05-20 17:08 I put the button on that? 2010-05-20 17:09 is an idiot sometimes 2010-05-20 17:10 yep, cover the two solder pads with the button 2010-05-20 17:10 okay, I did 2010-05-20 17:10 the screen didn't turn on 2010-05-20 17:11 but nothing detected 2010-05-20 17:11 it wonÂ´t in usb boot mode 2010-05-20 17:11 nothing in lsusb? 2010-05-20 17:11 nope 2010-05-20 17:11 I had watch lsusb on 2010-05-20 17:12 no battery, button shorting pads, usb plugged in... should be working... 2010-05-20 17:12 ._. 2010-05-20 17:12 oh wow. 2010-05-20 17:12 I'm dumb 2010-05-20 17:12 gimme a sec 2010-05-20 17:13 kk 2010-05-20 17:13 I had two cables 2010-05-20 17:13 and I didn't figure out one was not the other 2010-05-20 17:13 just one of those days. 2010-05-20 17:14 okay now it worked 2010-05-20 17:14 cool! 2010-05-20 17:14 okay 2010-05-20 17:14 where do I go for instructions on reflashing? 2010-05-20 17:14 now... do you have the reflash_ben.sh script? 2010-05-20 17:14 oh yeah, gonna go grab that 2010-05-20 17:15 run it as root/sudo it and you should be golden! 2010-05-20 17:15 aaaawwwesome 2010-05-20 17:15 also, for gmenu2x, I saw that you can change the wallpaper 2010-05-20 17:15 I know it sounds silly 2010-05-20 17:16 but I found something I think is fitting 2010-05-20 17:16 in how awesome it is 2010-05-20 17:16 http://i.imgur.com/1hhMt.png 2010-05-20 17:16 the script logs to ~/.qi/nanonote/ben/latest/log.txt, otherwise it is pretty quiet while flashing 2010-05-20 17:17 nice 2010-05-20 17:17 hmm. 2010-05-20 17:17 heh 2010-05-20 17:17 it said command not found 2010-05-20 17:17 did you install xburst-tools? 2010-05-20 17:18 oops, hadn't given it permission to run on its own 2010-05-20 17:18 no I didn't 2010-05-20 17:18 should I have? 2010-05-20 17:18 yees, need those first 2010-05-20 17:18 it's reflashing.... 2010-05-20 17:19 is that bad? 2010-05-20 17:19 oh? 2010-05-20 17:19 yeah 2010-05-20 17:19 says it's fetching it 2010-05-20 17:19 you may want to check the log file 2010-05-20 17:19 did I brick my nanonote? 2010-05-20 17:19 okay 2010-05-20 17:19 it says it's downloading right now 2010-05-20 17:19 it will fetch the nanonote's software first 2010-05-20 17:20 oh ok 2010-05-20 17:20 you pretty much can't brick it - usbboot will always work 2010-05-20 17:21 sweet. 2010-05-20 17:21 also I'm installing xburst-tools now 2010-05-20 17:21 kk 2010-05-20 17:21 gotta love uni internets 2010-05-20 17:21 anyway, so it's downloading the other thing still 2010-05-20 17:22 should I run it again, just in case, since I have the tools now? 2010-05-20 17:23 I'd leave it be... it will flash the nanonote as soon as it is done downloading 2010-05-20 17:24 (as long as xburst-tools are installed) 2010-05-20 17:26 ok, says it's flashing 2010-05-20 17:32 says it's done. 2010-05-20 17:33 wait gonna install quake from the demo script too 2010-05-20 17:33 yo 2010-05-20 17:33 anyone here have any experience with the AIC? 2010-05-20 17:33 do the quake install after usbboot 2010-05-20 17:33 in the jz 2010-05-20 17:34 don't think you can install it until it has booted normally. then you can scp it over. 2010-05-20 17:34 oh ok 2010-05-20 17:34 ohhhh 2010-05-20 17:34 ok 2010-05-20 17:34 so now I put the battery in and reboot? 2010-05-20 17:34 yep! 2010-05-20 17:36 oooohhhhh 2010-05-20 17:37 yeah? 2010-05-20 17:37 neat. 2010-05-20 17:37 now, in gmenu2x 2010-05-20 17:37 how do I get to settings? 2010-05-20 17:37 it has an L and an R 2010-05-20 17:38 l=q r=p 2010-05-20 17:38 thanks man 2010-05-20 17:38 no problem! 2010-05-20 17:39 it says I can overclock 2010-05-20 17:39 should I? 2010-05-20 17:39 er... only you can answer that... 2010-05-20 17:39 oh yeah. 2010-05-20 17:39 so it's at 300 2010-05-20 17:40 I wouldn't, but don't think you'll need to 2010-05-20 17:40 okay 2010-05-20 17:40 cool. 2010-05-20 17:43 okay, now what do I do to move stuff in? 2010-05-20 17:44 either copy using sd or get networking to work and scp stuff over 2010-05-20 17:45 ok 2010-05-20 17:45 is networking hard? 2010-05-20 17:46 not really. just follow the wiki article on usb networking and it should work 2010-05-20 17:46 ok 2010-05-20 17:48 hmm 2010-05-20 17:48 echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward 2010-05-20 17:48 even with sudo 2010-05-20 17:48 says access denied 2010-05-20 17:48 what distro are you using? 2010-05-20 17:48 ubuntu 2010-05-20 17:48 I know, nooby 2010-05-20 17:50 me too, I remember this problem... halfasec 2010-05-20 17:50