2010-05-06 00:51 <dmarschal> good morning!
2010-05-06 00:53 <dmarschal> I located http://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/Toolchains and have a question
2010-05-06 00:54 <dmarschal> I need an assembler to run on my NN.
2010-05-06 00:57 <dmarschal> Please suggest one. I'm not a porting/recompiling guru. (-: Thank you in advance!
2010-05-06 01:01 <dmarschal> mips.sde links are dead )-:
2010-05-06 06:10 <xiangfu> Yi, hi
2010-05-06 06:10 <xiangfu> zhangyi, Hi
2010-05-06 06:10 <zhangyi> xiangfu: hi
2010-05-06 06:11 <xiangfu> zhangyi, http://linux.solidot.org/article.pl?sid=10/05/06/0837240 here is the Chinese Article about Debian run on Ben.
2010-05-06 06:12 <zhangyi> xiangfu: ah, great!
2010-05-06 06:13 <zhangyi> xiangfu: well done! Thanks!
2010-05-06 06:14 <xiangfu> xiangfu, will post in my blog too.
2010-05-06 07:00 <kristianpaul> ohh solidot.org :)
2010-05-06 08:24 <wolfspraul> darfgarf: blame the qi server, no problem :-)
2010-05-06 08:24 <wolfspraul> it's not 100% stable yet
2010-05-06 08:25 <darfgarf> better than mine, one of the fans fails and the cpu heatsink fell off yesterday XD
2010-05-06 08:25 <wolfspraul> yes but I do need to spend some more time on stability
2010-05-06 08:33 <wolfspraul> larsc: http://en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/developer/2010-May/002882.html
2010-05-06 08:34 <wolfspraul> little bit more about ACh
2010-05-06 08:38 <larsc> good, thanks
2010-05-06 10:03 <emdete> .
2010-05-06 10:04 <larsc> o
2010-05-06 10:12 <kristianpaul> _
2010-05-06 10:16 <emdete> sry
2010-05-06 10:17 <emdete> its just to test if my proxy works again, hetzner was down...
2010-05-06 10:18 <kristianpaul> :)
2010-05-06 13:14 <heberth> hi!!
2010-05-06 13:15 <nebajoth> hello :O
2010-05-06 13:16 <heberth> nanonote plays the video?
2010-05-06 13:16 <heberth> I do not speak English
2010-05-06 13:16 <nebajoth> what language?
2010-05-06 13:16 <heberth> spanañol
2010-05-06 13:17 <heberth> español
2010-05-06 13:17 <nebajoth> it should play video if you have graphical environment installed
2010-05-06 13:17 <nebajoth> resolution is small though
2010-05-06 13:18 <heberth> ok
2010-05-06 13:18 <nebajoth> but it should play video well enough
2010-05-06 13:18 <heberth> openwrt ?
2010-05-06 13:18 <nebajoth> debian works on the nanonote now
2010-05-06 13:18 <nebajoth> as of 2-3 days ago
2010-05-06 13:19 <heberth> I heard that
2010-05-06 13:19 <nebajoth> but the latest openwrt image from the nanonote developers
2010-05-06 13:19 <nebajoth> also has a graphical environment
2010-05-06 13:20 <heberth> ahhhh
2010-05-06 13:20 <nebajoth> the chip in the nanonote
2010-05-06 13:20 <nebajoth> is the JZ4740
2010-05-06 13:20 <nebajoth> it has an xburst mips processor
2010-05-06 13:20 <nebajoth> and a Video Post Processor
2010-05-06 13:21 <nebajoth> that can do things like resize video on the fly
2010-05-06 13:21 <nebajoth> so videos should work pretty well
2010-05-06 13:21 <nebajoth> although I have not tried myself
2010-05-06 13:21 <zear> no, nonote does not play video yet
2010-05-06 13:22 <zear> *nanonote
2010-05-06 13:22 <nebajoth> have you tried with debian?
2010-05-06 13:22 <heberth> try!
2010-05-06 13:22 <zear> no, i only tried mplayer i compiled myself
2010-05-06 14:36 <jd823592> Hello, may i ask about the processor used in Ben... what are the specs? is it compatioble with MIPS32 or MIPS64 .. i dont know much about MIPS but how about multithreading support? .. from what i have read about MIPS i would love to see Ye stick with it
2010-05-06 14:44 <mth> it's 32 bit, little endian
2010-05-06 14:46 <jd823592> thanks, are there any ideas about what processors are inteded for the upcoming successors to ben?
2010-05-06 14:46 <mth> I don't know exactly, but I'd expect something from the same range
2010-05-06 14:46 <mth> maybe JZ4750
2010-05-06 14:49 <jd823592> These processors are probably not comparable to current intel processors Atom etc
2010-05-06 14:49 <mth> no, it's a totally different architecture
2010-05-06 14:49 <mth> but that doesn't really matter if the software you run on it is open source
2010-05-06 14:50 <mth> ah, comparable, not compatible
2010-05-06 14:51 <mth> I think they are comparable to ARM processors
2010-05-06 14:51 <mth> Atom has better performance, but also draws a lot more power
2010-05-06 14:52 <jd823592> I see.. if i asked you about ilustrative comparison of performance.. could you plase give me an idea?
2010-05-06 14:54 <mth> it's not easy to compare since a lot depends on what CPU the code was optimized for
2010-05-06 14:54 <mth> for example video decoding benefits a lot from SIMD instructions and hardware acceleration
2010-05-06 14:55 <mth> I don't actually have a NanoNote myself, but a Dingoo, which has similar hardware but not the same
2010-05-06 14:59 <larsc> i think wolfgang said he would like to see the jz4760 on the ya
2010-05-06 15:00 <mth> on the Dingoo most emulators of 8-bit systems run fine
2010-05-06 15:00 <jd823592> well i know about SIMD instructions
2010-05-06 15:01 <jd823592> but i thought you could point out something like these processors perform at 70% of commonly used x86 compatible processors created by intel
2010-05-06 15:10 <urandom_> will the ben drop in price soon? i am really thinking about buying one
2010-05-06 15:14 <maden> urandom_: really?
2010-05-06 15:14 <maden> you think that it's expensive
2010-05-06 15:14 <maden> ?
2010-05-06 15:17 <urandom_> the price i fine in general but it lacks usb host so not sure how much or for what i would use it
2010-05-06 15:19 <maden> i still don't see how it could be any cheaper.
2010-05-06 15:20 <urandom_> yeah you are right i think
2010-05-06 15:21 <zedstar> and buying one is supporting project and increasing the chance of other devices!
2010-05-06 15:22 <urandom_> yeah is really like the whole ideology behind it
2010-05-06 16:12 <jd823592> Is it difficult to use better display with NanoNote?
2010-05-06 16:14 <jd823592> i mean in the hardware design
2010-05-06 16:39 <nebajoth> jd823592: there's a message on the mailing list from a day or two ago
2010-05-06 16:39 <nebajoth> that benchmarks the nanonote
2010-05-06 16:39 <nebajoth> and compares it against an atom and so on
2010-05-06 16:40 <nebajoth> "It is in a class similar to a Pentium 200"
2010-05-06 16:40 <nebajoth> is the short story
2010-05-06 16:40 <tuxbrain> urandom_: If you achieve someone buy me 1000 units at once I assure you a great discount :P
2010-05-06 16:40 <nebajoth> http://en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2010-May/000513.html
2010-05-06 16:41 <nebajoth> interestingly enough, the JZ4740 seems to have usb host functionality
2010-05-06 16:41 <nebajoth> its just not used in the current Ben design
2010-05-06 16:41 <nebajoth> although I haven't spoken to the devs about this, I personally imagine it was done to save power
2010-05-06 16:42 <nebajoth> once you start powering usb gadgets you get into a whole new ballgame, power-wise
2010-05-06 16:42 <nebajoth> and the nanonote doesn't have a huge battery
2010-05-06 16:43 <larsc> i would rather say it's not there cause it was not needed
2010-05-06 16:43 <jd823592> nebajoth: thanks :)
2010-05-06 16:44 <nebajoth> np dude
2010-05-06 16:44 <nebajoth> not needed for what?
2010-05-06 16:44 <nebajoth> usb host opens up the ability to add ANY missing peripheral
2010-05-06 16:44 <nebajoth> which is kind of a big deal
2010-05-06 16:44 <nebajoth> easily add, I should say
2010-05-06 16:44 <nebajoth> no need to solder to UART points that break basic keyboard functionality, for example :P
2010-05-06 17:12 <urandom_> could finally make up my mind, buying a ben nanonote
2010-05-06 17:20 <jd823592> i would buy it right away if i could :D
2010-05-06 17:24 <urandom_> now i have to wait :(
2010-05-06 17:26 <zear> are they out of stock or something?
2010-05-06 17:27 <urandom_> no i hope not, but i have to wait till they bring it to my house
2010-05-06 17:28 <jd823592> where do you order it from?
2010-05-06 17:29 <urandom_> pulster.de cause i live in germany and they ship it with a free laserpen ;)
2010-05-06 17:32 <urandom_> 128.50¬ with all the shit, not so cheap but they seem to be friendly
2010-05-06 17:32 <jd823592> :)
2010-05-06 17:32 <jd823592> its more than initial $99
2010-05-06 17:36 <urandom_> well shipping from china to germany and then from there to where i live costs a bit
2010-05-06 17:36 <zedstar> plus u can have fun with cats now with a laserpen which is priceless ;)
2010-05-06 17:36 <urandom_> yeah
2010-05-06 17:36 <zedstar> or annoy pilots landing
2010-05-06 17:37 <jd823592> i will have to wait for Ye :)
2010-05-06 17:38 <jd823592> hopefully it doesnt end up like 3d7k (openmoko's gta03)
2010-05-06 17:40 <urandom_> i have read somewhere that it might take at least 6 months for the Ye
2010-05-06 17:40 <urandom_> so happy waiting :P
2010-05-06 17:40 <urandom_> but this would be still much better than waiting for the pandora
2010-05-06 17:42 <jd823592> well i will wait 6months without even noticing it after i waited 1year for 3d7k which will never see the day's light
2010-05-06 17:44 <urandom_> well you could speed up everything with buying a ben since they first need to sell them to have the money for the Ye, i know 100 is a lot of money but it is for a great idea ;)
2010-05-06 17:46 <jd823592> it indeed is... i would love to but buying it now would mean i would wait 6months for it to reach me anyway :D:D:D... and secondly, i would really appreciate bigger screen and maybe faster cpu, bigger storage... i know, i have high demands
2010-05-06 17:46 <jd823592> :D
2010-05-06 17:48 <urandom_> ah just give it 64mb ram, USB host and something like a trackpoint and it will be awesome
2010-05-06 17:49 <urandom_> i personally dont see the need for bigger storage but yeah a bit bigger screen would be nice
2010-05-06 17:50 <jd823592> storage is last of my requirements :)
2010-05-06 17:50 <jd823592> but 64mb ram seems quite too little
2010-05-06 17:51 <urandom_> depends if it gets a better CPU, for the current 64mb would be much fun
2010-05-06 17:53 <jd823592> i have noticed 512MB was mentioned on the proposal list on the web
2010-05-06 17:54 <urandom_> if it should cost 99$ i dont think it will get 512mb, maybe the modell after the Ye
2010-05-06 17:55 <urandom_> even the pandora hast only 256mb and it costs 3 times as much and is not open hardware
2010-05-06 17:55 <sid__> ... pulser is great! i bought my moko there too and with the nanonote order i got the moko debugboard for free
2010-05-06 17:56 <jd823592> i didnt say i would expect it to cost only $99 with 512mb
2010-05-06 17:56 <jd823592> i am off to bed now, nice talking to you.. cant wait to get my hands on that note :)
2010-05-06 17:57 <jd823592> good night
2010-05-06 17:57 <urandom_> yeah, see you!