2010-05-04 05:10 <qi-commits> Xiangfu Liu: [usbboot] change the prefix to /usr by default http://qi-hw.com/p/xburst-tools/905a086
2010-05-04 05:12 <qi-commits> Xiangfu Liu: [usbboot] change the sysconfdir to /etc by default http://qi-hw.com/p/xburst-tools/3b5b0b3
2010-05-04 06:09 <vegyraupe> uwe_: saw this: http://sharism.cc/2010/05/02/along-comes-debian/ ?
2010-05-04 09:54 <uwe_> vegyraupe: great, thanks! I'll have a more detailed look later. I only see images right now, is the (modified) source or patches available somewhere? (kernel + uboot if necessary)?
2010-05-04 09:58 <vegyraupe> uwe_: the kernel is the same as used for openwrt
2010-05-04 09:59 <vegyraupe> with 3 modifications
2010-05-04 09:59 <vegyraupe> which I described in a mail to the devel list
2010-05-04 10:00 <vegyraupe> uwe_: see under kernel: http://en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/developer/2010-April/002766.html
2010-05-04 10:01 <uwe_> what's avt2 vs. lb60 btw?
2010-05-04 10:01 <vegyraupe> avt2 is our development board (64MB RAM, extra usb host connector etc)
2010-05-04 10:02 <vegyraupe> lb60 is the board in the black ben nanonotes
2010-05-04 10:02 <uwe_> ok
2010-05-04 10:04 <vegyraupe> uwe_: the next openwrt image release will see these kernel flavours and i hope with the configs attached :)
2010-05-04 10:05 <uwe_> ok, great. the .config variable names would also be sufficient for me, for now
2010-05-04 10:06 <uwe_> I'll give it a try in the evening with a debian unstable rootfs on SD card, if I find the time
2010-05-04 10:06 <vegyraupe> sounds good :)
2010-05-04 10:06 <vegyraupe> a blogpost would sound even better ;)
2010-05-04 10:06 <uwe_> will do, definately
2010-05-04 10:06 <vegyraupe> yay!
2010-05-04 10:06 <vegyraupe> thx
2010-05-04 10:30 <vegyraupe> tuxbrain_away: ping
2010-05-04 10:30 <tuxbrain_away> pong
2010-05-04 11:20 <jd823592> Hello, are there already any ideas or plans for Ben NanoNote successor?
2010-05-04 11:21 <jd823592> Any ethernet, wifi/ larger display
2010-05-04 11:21 <vegyraupe> jd823592: check http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Ya_NanoNote_Specs for ideas
2010-05-04 11:21 <vegyraupe> nothing has been decided yet
2010-05-04 11:22 <vegyraupe> we are in the idea collecting phase :)
2010-05-04 11:22 <jd823592> thanks, i will take a look
2010-05-04 11:22 <jd823592> Are common people allowed to contribute to the idea list?
2010-05-04 11:23 <vegyraupe> absolutely
2010-05-04 11:23 <jd823592> Is the original processor for Ben MIPS?
2010-05-04 11:23 <jd823592> i think i've seen a note about it
2010-05-04 11:24 <jd823592> i was curious why MIPS, why not ARM... or anything else.. not that i would disagree with the decision, i am just curious :)
2010-05-04 11:25 <urandom_> is there any date set for when this ja nanonote should be produced?
2010-05-04 11:25 <larsc> probably fair dice roll
2010-05-04 11:25 <vegyraupe> larsc: :D
2010-05-04 11:25 <vegyraupe> urandom_: nope
2010-05-04 11:26 <vegyraupe> still a lot of possibilities around the Ben
2010-05-04 11:27 <urandom_> but no usb host on the ben :(
2010-05-04 11:27 <vegyraupe> sad but true
2010-05-04 11:29 <urandom_> i thinking on buying a ben but 100¬ are some money and it has no usb host and the pandora might come out this year
2010-05-04 11:34 <urandom_> there are some router with usb connection for printer/extern media, wouldnt it be possible to use this Ethernet over USB support of the ben for connecting it with the router?
2010-05-04 11:37 <vegyraupe> urandom_: usb over ethernet is def doable with a PC, not sure about the router thing though. Lars?
2010-05-04 11:42 <urandom_> i think there are some router there you can install linux on them, isnt openwrt for it? it should be doable
2010-05-04 12:16 <qi-commits> Carlos Camargo: Adding write funtions to blink driver sample http://qi-hw.com/p/nn-usb-fpga/de9acb4
2010-05-04 12:46 <jd823592> is the Ya design final or ilustrative?
2010-05-04 13:38 <zear> a j2me interpreter for dingux: http://code.google.com/p/midpath4dingoo/source/browse/#svn/trunk/midpath
2010-05-04 13:38 <zear> someone interested to adapt it to owrt?
2010-05-04 14:06 <tuxbrain> zear:I'm interested in have it :) not material time to (try)port it until the end of the month
2010-05-04 14:06 <zear> tuxbrain, and i don't know java, so i can't port it myself
2010-05-04 14:08 <tuxbrain> ? but to port it java knowledge is needed? the jvm(java interpreter) is in C or C++ I guess
2010-05-04 14:09 <tuxbrain> vegyraupe: ping
2010-05-04 14:09 <zear> well, the makefile requires you to have a java interpreter installed
2010-05-04 14:10 <tuxbrain> ok
2010-05-04 14:10 <zear> i think so
2010-05-04 14:11 <tuxbrain> I understand, is a java library you have  to had an jvm installed
2010-05-04 14:12 <mth> it probably need a Java compiler to compile the Java part of the class library
2010-05-04 14:12 <zear> mth, yeah, that's probably something like that
2010-05-04 14:13 <mth> assuming you are cross compiling, that should not be a problem though
2010-05-04 16:02 <kristianpaul> pyneo !
2010-05-04 16:03 <kristianpaul> getting files
2010-05-04 17:49 <kristianpaul> i have a trouble
2010-05-04 17:50 <kristianpaul> nano with no battery connected to usb dont power on
2010-05-04 17:51 <kristianpaul> last thing i did was  http://pyneo.org/howto/debian/nano.html
2010-05-04 17:51 <kristianpaul>  Prepare the Nano-Note
2010-05-04 17:51 <kristianpaul> help ! :/
2010-05-04 17:51 <mth> is the current it can draw over unconfigured USB sufficient to run on?
2010-05-04 17:51 <kristianpaul> i did run before
2010-05-04 17:51 <kristianpaul> s/i/it
2010-05-04 17:51 <kristianpaul> hmm
2010-05-04 17:51 <mth> does the nano have a charger?
2010-05-04 17:51 <kristianpaul> uncofigured
2010-05-04 17:52 <kristianpaul> charger? no
2010-05-04 17:52 <emdete> kristianpaul: usbboot mode?
2010-05-04 17:52 <kristianpaul> emdete: yes
2010-05-04 17:52 <mth> afaik USB starts in a low power mode and after exchanging some messages it can increase the power
2010-05-04 17:52 <kristianpaul> [edit] Hardware USB_BOOT
2010-05-04 17:52 <emdete> so how do you know?
2010-05-04 17:52 <kristianpaul> i dont
2010-05-04 17:52 <kristianpaul> i'm trying to get there
2010-05-04 17:52 <emdete> if its in usbboot mode and switches on, the screen stays black...
2010-05-04 17:53 <emdete> you have to watch syslog from the linux host where its connected to
2010-05-04 17:53 <emdete> or a lsusb
2010-05-04 17:53 <emdete> to see the dev
2010-05-04 17:53 <kristianpaul> it is black as power off and dmesg said nothing new about the usb
2010-05-04 17:53 <emdete> that happened to mee also from time to time. just unplug & replug usb
2010-05-04 17:53 <mth> "Product: JZ4740 USB Boot Device"
2010-05-04 17:53 <mth> that can be confusing the first time indeed
2010-05-04 17:53 <emdete> mth: exact
2010-05-04 17:54 <kristianpaul> trying again
2010-05-04 17:54 <emdete> :)
2010-05-04 17:54 <mth> well, this is from the Dingoo, but I expect it to be similar (slightly different CPU model?)
2010-05-04 17:56 <kristianpaul> no luck
2010-05-04 17:56 <kristianpaul> http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/USB_BOOT_mode
2010-05-04 17:56 <kristianpaul> saids
2010-05-04 17:56 <kristianpaul> i must on after press power button 2 seconds
2010-05-04 17:56 <zear> mth, actually, for my lsusb it is listed as a blank device
2010-05-04 17:56 <kristianpaul> dmesg?
2010-05-04 17:56 <mth> zear: this was from dmesg
2010-05-04 17:57 <zear> ah
2010-05-04 17:57 <mth> kristianpaul: on the Dingoo I always press the B button (USB boot mode trigger there) first and then reset
2010-05-04 17:58 <mth> it takes a very short time to get into USB boot mode, far less than a second
2010-05-04 17:58 <emdete> mth: yes, a Bus 003 Device 006: ID 601a:4740
2010-05-04 17:58 <kristianpaul> what abouy if i deleted uboot?
2010-05-04 17:58 <zear> mth, the problem i had with booting the nanonote into usb boot mode was it needs about 2sec to do it
2010-05-04 17:58 <kristianpaul> emdete: yes in normal contitions
2010-05-04 17:58 <emdete> kristianpaul: no problem
2010-05-04 17:59 <kristianpaul> usb hardware boot
2010-05-04 17:59 <emdete> kristianpaul: the bootloader for usbboot is unbrickable
2010-05-04 17:59 <emdete> it is /not/ u-boot
2010-05-04 17:59 <emdete> you can wipe out the whole nand, np
2010-05-04 17:59 <kristianpaul> ok
2010-05-04 17:59 <emdete> kristianpaul: did you check to press power for some seconds (just watch syslog)
2010-05-04 18:01 <kristianpaul> i did
2010-05-04 18:02 <emdete> did you try another usb cable?
2010-05-04 18:02 <emdete> do u have a hub inbetween?
2010-05-04 18:03 <sid__> hi, is JZ4740 mips or mipsel?
2010-05-04 18:03 <kristianpaul> no hub
2010-05-04 18:04 <mth> sid__: mipsel, little endian
2010-05-04 18:04 <kristianpaul> ii'll try other usb cable later (not have spare stuff here)
2010-05-04 18:04 <emdete> kristianpaul: sounds weird, never had such a problem so often. succeeded always the second time to boot
2010-05-04 18:05 <mth> zear: maybe power on vs reset makes a difference in timing?
2010-05-04 18:05 <kristianpaul> emdete: i just deleted some stuff with xburst and then unplug
2010-05-04 18:05 <kristianpaul> replug
2010-05-04 18:05 <kristianpaul> and here i'm
2010-05-04 18:05 <kristianpaul> i ran
2010-05-04 18:05 <zear> mth, could be, i did it with power on
2010-05-04 18:05 <emdete> could be you usb-boot "switch" is somehow... broken?
2010-05-04 18:05 <kristianpaul> usbboot -c "boot"
2010-05-04 18:05 <kristianpaul> sed -i 's/NAND_FORCEERASE = .*/NAND_FORCEERASE = 1/' /etc/xburst-tools/usbboot.cfg
2010-05-04 18:05 <kristianpaul> usbboot -c "nerase 0 4096 0 0"
2010-05-04 18:06 <kristianpaul> then unplug
2010-05-04 18:06 <emdete> kristianpaul: yes, that wipes all. i had alot of problems after some flashing to flash without
2010-05-04 18:06 <kristianpaul> hmm
2010-05-04 18:06 <kristianpaul> i just want it to try pyneo :/
2010-05-04 18:06 <emdete> kristianpaul: i assume you don't use usbboot at all - have you tried soft-usbboot?
2010-05-04 18:07 <emdete> kristianpaul: pyneo isn't very far, you will try debian on the nn :)
2010-05-04 18:07 <kristianpaul> emdete: soft-usboot? (U  + power)
2010-05-04 18:07 <emdete> yes.
2010-05-04 18:07 <kristianpaul> i did
2010-05-04 18:07 <kristianpaul> dmesg said nothing
2010-05-04 18:07 <kristianpaul> also syslog
2010-05-04 18:07 <kristianpaul> and hardware usboot
2010-05-04 18:07 <kristianpaul> saids
2010-05-04 18:08 <kristianpaul> that the nano must turn on first
2010-05-04 18:08 <kristianpaul> then unoplug and replug
2010-05-04 18:08 <kristianpaul> and try hardware usb boot
2010-05-04 18:08 <kristianpaul> so the first thing dind work
2010-05-04 18:08 <kristianpaul> no power
2010-05-04 18:09 <kristianpaul> no black LCM screen
2010-05-04 18:09 <kristianpaul> any way
2010-05-04 18:09 <kristianpaul> i must travel back home
2010-05-04 18:09 <emdete> yes, it stays black in usbboot
2010-05-04 18:09 <kristianpaul> nos leemos luego
2010-05-04 18:09 <emdete> :D
2010-05-04 18:09 <kristianpaul> emdete: but usb dont show nothing
2010-05-04 18:09 <kristianpaul> chao !
2010-05-04 18:09 <emdete>  /thats/ strange
2010-05-04 18:12 <sid__> mth: thx
2010-05-04 20:43 <kristianpaul> help !
2010-05-04 20:44 <kristianpaul> emdete: nothing :(
2010-05-04 20:44 <kristianpaul> usb cable is okay
2010-05-04 20:58 <kristianpaul> i did usb hardware boot i think bot dmesg nothing shows
2010-05-04 20:59 <kristianpaul> if uboot is okay why it dint power up?
2010-05-04 20:59 <kristianpaul> or may uboot be damaged? what can i do?
2010-05-04 21:00 <mth> uboot is on the NAND, so erasing the NAND would erase it too
2010-05-04 21:00 <mth> but USB boot should always work, in theory
2010-05-04 21:02 <kristianpaul> mth: in theory
2010-05-04 21:02 <kristianpaul> ?
2010-05-04 21:02 <kristianpaul> :/
2010-05-04 21:02 <kristianpaul> well in my case the nand was flashed
2010-05-04 21:02 <mth> I don't know why it won't work for you
2010-05-04 21:03 <sid_> in usb boot (u+power) screen is not on; lsusb is 601a:4740 instead of 0525:a4a2
2010-05-04 21:03 <kristianpaul> lsusb is not changing
2010-05-04 21:03 <kristianpaul> i know when it does as before i flashed nano
2010-05-04 21:04 <kristianpaul> wait
2010-05-04 21:04 <kristianpaul> is there !
2010-05-04 21:04 <kristianpaul> uff
2010-05-04 21:04 <kristianpaul>  Booted successfully!
2010-05-04 21:04 <kristianpaul> i really was scared
2010-05-04 21:05 <kristianpaul> hardware usbot worked finally :)
2010-05-04 21:05 <mth> :)
2010-05-04 21:05 <mth> any idea why it didn't work earlier?
2010-05-04 21:07 <kristianpaul> is gone
2010-05-04 21:07 <kristianpaul> ah
2010-05-04 21:07 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: relax! :-)
2010-05-04 21:11 <kristianpaul> okay back
2010-05-04 21:12 <kristianpaul> mth: usb hardware boot is tricky
2010-05-04 21:12 <kristianpaul> relly !
2010-05-04 21:12 <kristianpaul> really*
2010-05-04 21:12 <kristianpaul> hopes pyneo boots this time
2010-05-04 21:13 <kristianpaul> i want debian in every device i can find :)
2010-05-04 21:17 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: why tricky? shorting the USB boot pins doesn't work all the time?
2010-05-04 21:17 <wolfspraul> the lowest level test you can run on the host side to see whether the Nano is in USB boot mode is 'lsusb'
2010-05-04 21:17 <kristianpaul> in my case dont
2010-05-04 21:17 <kristianpaul> yes i did
2010-05-04 21:18 <wolfspraul> if lsusb shows 601a:4740, it's in USB boot mode. if it doesn't show those numbers, it's not.
2010-05-04 21:18 <kristianpaul> i think my method is not good at all
2010-05-04 21:18 <kristianpaul> but it worked
2010-05-04 21:18 <kristianpaul> not i'm flashing pyneo again
2010-05-04 21:18 <wolfspraul> with the carbonized rubber button included in the box, you should be able to short those pins in at least 99% of cases
2010-05-04 21:18 <kristianpaul> yes
2010-05-04 21:18 <kristianpaul> i lost mine :/
2010-05-04 21:18 <wolfspraul> oh
2010-05-04 21:18 <wolfspraul> we'll send you a few new ones
2010-05-04 21:18 <kristianpaul> is somewhere in de desk
2010-05-04 21:18 <wolfspraul> can you email me your postal address?
2010-05-04 21:19 <wolfspraul> he
2010-05-04 21:19 <wolfspraul> well maybe you look there first
2010-05-04 21:19 <kristianpaul> yes
2010-05-04 21:19 <wolfspraul> if you cannot find it, we'll just put a few in a regular letter and mail to you
2010-05-04 21:19 <wolfspraul> they cost something like .6 US cents or so
2010-05-04 21:19 <kristianpaul> thanks :)
2010-05-04 21:19 <kristianpaul> i think i can get some from an old calcultor
2010-05-04 21:19 <kristianpaul> too
2010-05-04 21:19 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: please email me your postal address
2010-05-04 21:19 <wolfspraul> well it's up to you
2010-05-04 21:20 <wolfspraul> anytime, just email your address and we'll send a letter. no biggie.
2010-05-04 21:20 <kristianpaul> ok
2010-05-04 21:20 <wolfspraul> normal letter though, not fedex or so, that would be a little disproportionate
2010-05-04 21:20 <kristianpaul> yup :)
2010-05-04 21:20 <wolfspraul> without the button, which method are you using?
2010-05-04 21:21 <wolfspraul> the second best for me always was aluminum foil, but I have heard other preferences
2010-05-04 21:21 <kristianpaul> i'm using a resistor wire :p
2010-05-04 21:21 <kristianpaul> it was just in front of mine
2010-05-04 21:21 <wolfspraul> k
2010-05-04 21:22 <wolfspraul> are you planning to hook up the UART GPS chip you have?
2010-05-04 21:22 <kristianpaul> yes i want
2010-05-04 21:22 <wolfspraul> I would be super interested in that
2010-05-04 21:22 <wolfspraul> you need to hook it up to TP4/TP5, then you should have no keyboard interference issue
2010-05-04 21:22 <kristianpaul> just let me finish the reprap i'll have more time
2010-05-04 21:22 <wolfspraul> unfortunately those TPs are not under the battery label
2010-05-04 21:22 <kristianpaul> ohh
2010-05-04 21:22 <wolfspraul> yep
2010-05-04 21:22 <wolfspraul> so jump into your first Nano disassembly :-)
2010-05-04 21:23 <kristianpaul> TP4/TP5 is the second serial port isnt?
2010-05-04 21:23 <kristianpaul> yeah seems i'll have too :)
2010-05-04 21:23 <wolfspraul> not really, I think the CPU pins are somewhat configurable
2010-05-04 21:23 <kristianpaul> ah okay
2010-05-04 21:23 <wolfspraul> somehow the bottom line is that our latest u-boot will configure TP4/5 to be UART0, but without keyboard interference?
2010-05-04 21:24 <wolfspraul> I am not 100% sure myself actually
2010-05-04 21:24 <wolfspraul> but I believe it should work, I think David confirmed that
2010-05-04 21:24 <wolfspraul> your application with the GPS chip would be the next step
2010-05-04 21:24 <wolfspraul> see whether we can hookup a new peripheral to the Nano
2010-05-04 21:25 <wolfspraul> if I come to Colombia in late June, that's a good opportunity for me to bring spare parts or what not
2010-05-04 21:25 <wolfspraul> so if you dig out some success (or failures) before then we have an easy chance to react
2010-05-04 21:26 <wolfspraul> of course I can always just mail stuff too...
2010-05-04 21:27 <kristianpaul> my fears is that the nano will no be able to provide enought current
2010-05-04 21:27 <kristianpaul> then something will reset
2010-05-04 21:27 <kristianpaul> the wrt54gl used to do that :/
2010-05-04 21:34 <kristianpaul> ahh pyneo
2010-05-04 21:34 <kristianpaul> back to lovelly openwrt
2010-05-04 21:37 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: enough current for what?
2010-05-04 21:37 <kristianpaul> wolfspraul: for the GPD
2010-05-04 21:37 <kristianpaul> GPS*
2010-05-04 21:37 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: ah OK, for current question email the developer list, I'm sure Adam can have a definitive answer
2010-05-04 21:39 <sid__> how do i get a xterm with the actual image?
2010-05-04 21:40 <kristianpaul> hmm
2010-05-04 21:40 <kristianpaul> xterm is X11 utility isnt?
2010-05-04 21:41 <sid__> cannot work with gxmenu; does anyone currently trys to compile gentoo on it
2010-05-04 21:41 <sid__> yes
2010-05-04 23:07 <kristianpaul> WARNING: skipping gpsd -- package not selected
2010-05-04 23:08 <kristianpaul> so it not just copy a package from openwrt and ya :)
2010-05-04 23:23 <kristianpaul> hey open nano is easy if you start the right way :)
2010-05-04 23:25 <kristianpaul> off bed
2010-05-04 23:26 <wolfspraul> 'night
2010-05-04 23:43 <qi-commits> Xiangfu Liu: add-xbboot-to-xburst-tools-debian-package http://qi-hw.com/p/xburst-tools/30a9ef8
2010-05-04 23:43 <qi-commits> Xiangfu Liu: merge xbboot and usbboot to one projects http://qi-hw.com/p/xburst-tools/65cc561