2010-05-03 00:10 morning channel 2010-05-03 01:25 hello! 2010-05-03 01:25 I opkg'd binutils but it seems as doesn't generate mips32 executable 2010-05-03 01:25 what did I miss 2010-05-03 01:33 I also found that ttk 98 phone batteries, (model ka08) 2010-05-03 01:34 fit NN fine. size is identical, 750mah, external charger is available 2010-05-03 01:36 bye 2010-05-03 01:36 wow so fast 2010-05-03 01:36 I just wanted to ask him to update http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Compatible_batteries 2010-05-03 01:36 :-) 2010-05-03 01:36 oh well... 2010-05-03 03:43 Xiangfu Liu: change the option --daemon to --upload http://qi-hw.com/p/xburst-tools/d994383 2010-05-03 05:34 can any one confirm my petition to debian devels has arrive on the qi list? I migrating from gmail to evolution and I have not see my mail there yet. 2010-05-03 05:39 tuxbrain: don't think so 2010-05-03 05:47 :( , lets try again. 2010-05-03 05:54 Hi 2010-05-03 05:54 I'll take a photo of the ttk 98 battery and update wiki later 2010-05-03 05:55 dmarschal: ah great 2010-05-03 05:55 you were gone too quickly earlier 2010-05-03 05:55 just got your Nano? any feedback? 2010-05-03 05:56 I"ve orderd a month ago from tuxbrain 2010-05-03 05:56 arrived in 24 hours from Spain to Hunary 2010-05-03 05:56 NN is very a good machine I can tell 2010-05-03 05:56 it took one month or 24 hours? don't understand :-) 2010-05-03 05:57 hungary? 2010-05-03 05:57 in 24 hours, and yes i'm in hungary, budapest 2010-05-03 05:57 it has if one month ago, and recieved in 24h from his order :) 2010-05-03 05:57 s/if/it 2010-05-03 05:57 hungary, so cool! 2010-05-03 05:57 the original home of the much beloved mplayer 2010-05-03 05:58 mplayer is actually one of those things we try to get to work well on the NanoNote next 2010-05-03 05:58 Ingenic published some sources, also using the SIMD instructions of the CPU that can accelerate things, but right now it all doesn't work yet... 2010-05-03 06:00 wolfspraul, not only mplayer, but also openmortal ;) 2010-05-03 06:01 yeah, I've heard about many things from Szeged, so for sure there must be a large scene. never heard about openmortal before, checking... 2010-05-03 06:02 dmarschal: can you blog about the NanoNote in Hungarian? 2010-05-03 06:02 sorry my mbook went  down 2010-05-03 06:02 dmarscha: you may have missed some things (ping timeout) - just in general the IRC logs are at http://en.qi-hardware.com/irclogs 2010-05-03 06:03 mbook = macbook? 2010-05-03 06:03 thank you! 2010-05-03 06:03 wolfspraul, oh that's pure evil 2010-05-03 06:03 why log irc chats? 2010-05-03 06:03 zear: because a lot of people like them, I'd say it's standard for a good irc channel 2010-05-03 06:03 don't want google to know what i say ;) 2010-05-03 06:04 the channel is public anyway 2010-05-03 06:04 so you would put people with local logging, who have their own servers running, or just a stable network, at an advantage over those that don't 2010-05-03 06:04 like irc logs 2010-05-03 06:04 yes it is, but i don't like the idea of google monitoring every single message on this channel, and storing it for ever 2010-05-03 06:04 zear: but I agree the HTML formatted logs bring out the truth in a bit harder way than otherwise :-) 2010-05-03 06:04 there is a lot of info flowing than without loggin will be lost forever 2010-05-03 06:05 maybe we can disable the irclogs in robots.txt 2010-05-03 06:05 I think google will follow the settings there 2010-05-03 06:05 http irc logging is the reason i don't hang out on #openmoko 2010-05-03 06:05 he 2010-05-03 06:05 I hope that doesn't mean we won't see you again here... 2010-05-03 06:05 well, this actually might happen 2010-05-03 06:05 :( why? 2010-05-03 06:06 i don't want to leave this place, but i also don't want someone be able to google some dirty stuff about me in 5 years 2010-05-03 06:06 mmmm little paranoia is good but you are wrong in how to focus it 2010-05-03 06:07 no, i have experience from #openmoko 2010-05-03 06:07 google have cached me saying what's my opinion on computer piracy ;) 2010-05-03 06:07 zear: there are very valuable discussions going on in IRC, and the html irc logs make those much more accessible 2010-05-03 06:07 wolfspraul, i know, i know 2010-05-03 06:07 you must by definition don't publish/speack/write of dirty stuff or anything you would repent 2010-05-03 06:08 but still, don't like when big brother is spying on me 2010-05-03 06:08 I share that sentiment. 2010-05-03 06:08 but actually the highest todo item on my list to help with that is to stop using google analytics and move to piwik.org 2010-05-03 06:08 but even that I won'd to anytime soon, too many higher priorities... 2010-05-03 06:09 zear: so yes bottom line, we have irclogs now and we are happy about it 2010-05-03 06:09 dear... at least with google you know who is the brand is spying you. "Real" big brothers doesn't show their faces 2010-05-03 06:09 but you are the first person to complain and I hear you 2010-05-03 06:09 true :-) 2010-05-03 06:09 i hope robots.txt can reduce the privacy issues, but it's enough that one search engine ignores robots.txt and caches the logs, and then google goes on that search engine pages and caches it ;) 2010-05-03 06:10 Talking about privacy in a public channel doesn't make sense 2010-05-03 06:10 tuxbrain, of course it's just plaintext 2010-05-03 06:10 but there's a big difference between personal logs from irc clients and public logs available on google 2010-05-03 06:12 wolfspraul, what method do you use for caching the channel logs? Just an irc client running in the background, logging everything? If so, you could set it to ignore messages from my nick 2010-05-03 06:12 I consider the public chat as equal as public email-list, you should use other channels to maintain privacy, I strong encourage you to change your mind about this to avoid any (bad) surprise 2010-05-03 06:12 zear: yes definitely 2010-05-03 06:13 I use eggdrop, in fact the complete server config is 100% documented at http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Server_setup 2010-05-03 06:13 tuxbrain, yeah, but irc is instant messaging. I don't want to consider every word i say here 2010-05-03 06:15 oh, and i'm not sure if public irc logs are safe for people from china 2010-05-03 06:15 zear, free advice also for real live: In public ALWAYS consider every word you say or/and proudly face consequences 2010-05-03 06:15 IRC is public 2010-05-03 06:15 (this channel here) 2010-05-03 06:16 anyway, for now we have the irclogs, and many people seem to be happy about them. we can look into taking zear's posts out 2010-05-03 06:16 surelly people from china is also logged  without their knowledge, that is the real threatening 2010-05-03 06:16 tuxbrain, of course i realize irc channels aren't encrypted, but I don't want to be a paranoic who considers everything he says everywhere. I just want to be free to chat with people i consider my friends. But public logging is a real threat to freedom of speech :) 2010-05-03 06:17 hmm. I would think threat to freedom of speech is if people are scared to speak freely? 2010-05-03 06:17 I guess i'll just have to stop saying anything that isn't related to nanonote developement here 2010-05-03 06:18 you definitely can have multiple aliases, that should be fun. 2010-05-03 06:18 wolfspraul, that's exactly what i feel now :D 2010-05-03 06:18 wolfspraul, yeah, tried that once, but that doesn't go very well 2010-05-03 06:19 zear: ok, so for now you know this channel is a) public b) has searchable HTML pages 2010-05-03 06:19 also recomend to use /msg nick if you want to mantain anything "private" with some one 2010-05-03 06:19 wolfspraul, i guess another solution would be to remove nicks from public logs. Just leave the colors to distinguish messages from different people 2010-05-03 06:19 ouch this sounds oddly 2010-05-03 06:19 zear: the ability to quickly search who said what is quite valuable. 2010-05-03 06:20 wolfspraul, ok, i guess in that case i'll just lurk here and speak only when it's a technical thing ;P 2010-05-03 06:20 http://irc.openinkpot.org/%23openinkpot/search?q=wolfyg 2010-05-03 06:21 (for the #openinkpot channel) 2010-05-03 06:21 and i think it would be nice if you could put an info in the channel topic that this channel is monitored 2010-05-03 06:21 zear: any standard there? 2010-05-03 06:21 for what? 2010-05-03 06:22 I agree a link to the logs would be nice 2010-05-03 06:22 I thought maybe there is a flag or so, but maybe we just put a link to the logs in the text 2010-05-03 06:22 ah, i guess there's nothing like that 2010-05-03 06:22 or at least i never heard of it 2010-05-03 06:23 zear: speaking about technical things, have you tried mplayer again? 2010-05-03 06:23 wolfspraul, well, first i compiled it myself 2010-05-03 06:23 I think I read here you tried but it segfaulted 2010-05-03 06:23 all i was getting was a segfault 2010-05-03 06:23 then i tried the binary from someone from this channel who compiled it himself and claimed it worked for him 2010-05-03 06:24 and again - was getting a segfault 2010-05-03 06:24 the version i compiled myself was non-IPU with ingenics patches 2010-05-03 06:25 the very same that's used on dingux 2010-05-03 06:28 ok 2010-05-03 06:42 I'm back. My umid mbook went down again. Sorry for that 2010-05-03 06:45 he 2010-05-03 06:45 back to my original question, has anyone got "as" or "gas" working on NN? 2010-05-03 06:45 no problem 2010-05-03 06:50 dmarschal, you mean as:  "the portable GNU assembler" 2010-05-03 06:51 yes 2010-05-03 06:52 dmarschal, let me search. 2010-05-03 06:52 xiangfu: thank you 2010-05-03 06:54 dmarschal,  there is "binutils" package in openwrt. 2010-05-03 06:57 yes, i found it and installed it already. 2010-05-03 06:57 dmarschal: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/packages/openwrt/xburst/latest/ 2010-05-03 06:57 that's our official repo 2010-05-03 06:57 wolfspraul, tuxbrain: call in 3 ? 2010-05-03 06:58 oh 2010-05-03 06:58 it compiles 'hello.s' a simple hello world source without error 2010-05-03 06:58 good reminder! :-) 2010-05-03 07:00 but when i want to run 'a.out' i got an error of 'line 1: syntax error: unexpected word'; 2010-05-03 07:00 if it was made for another cpu 2010-05-03 07:03 dmarschal, I will check the binutils package later . 2010-05-03 07:03 file a.out : elf 32-bit lsb relocatable, mips, mips-i version 1 (sysv), not stripped" 2010-05-03 07:04 xiangfu: thank you 2010-05-03 07:04 Hi all 2010-05-03 07:05 dmarschal, I need offline  for a while. will post in mailing list :-) 2010-05-03 07:05 ok thank you 2010-05-03 07:06 mortys: hi 2010-05-03 07:09 bye 2010-05-03 07:09 tuxbrain: ? 2010-05-03 07:09 vegyraupe: giveme 10 mins 2010-05-03 07:09 tuxbrain: ack 2010-05-03 07:09 :) 2010-05-03 07:24 hi wolf 2010-05-03 07:46 Lars-Peter Clausen: Fix going a dir up in the filebrowser http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/8c31cee 2010-05-03 08:10 larsc, i believe you need to fix it in a couple of places in the code 2010-05-03 08:16 Lars-Peter Clausen: Fix rootdir check. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/1557c5a 2010-05-03 08:16 ah, thanks :D 2010-05-03 08:19 hm, should we use "/card" or "/" for the disksize? 2010-05-03 08:19 larsc, that's a good question. The perfect solution would be to add two disksizes 2010-05-03 08:19 one for nand and the other for sd card 2010-05-03 08:20 though i guess that needs the modification of the gui 2010-05-03 08:20 hm, ok i'll change it to /card for now than 2010-05-03 08:22 Lars-Peter Clausen: Use "/card" instead of "/card/gmenu2x" for disk stats http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/431e88e 2010-05-03 08:22 Lars-Peter Clausen: Fix rootdir check. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/dd0c4eb 2010-05-03 09:28 tuxbrain: how about the mailing lists now? 2010-05-03 09:28 wolfspraul: seem they work ok 2010-05-03 09:29 ok 2010-05-03 09:29 at least I was able to receive and send some post :) 2010-05-03 09:29 strange problem with spamassassin on the server, eating up all memory 2010-05-03 09:29 just started by itself after months without problems 2010-05-03 09:30 sometimes 0 & 1 go crazy, I will be watching if it happens again and will report ASAP if it happens 2010-05-03 10:55 Bas Wijnen: improve init; make destroy simpler http://qi-hw.com/p/iris/c8f7b1c 2010-05-03 10:55 Bas Wijnen: make things work with unfinished new startup procedure http://qi-hw.com/p/iris/12bfb32 2010-05-03 13:59 Lars-Peter Clausen: Unify filedialog and browsedialog code http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/8b862b8 2010-05-03 13:59 Lars-Peter Clausen: Fix menusetting widgets. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/6361dde 2010-05-03 13:59 Lars-Peter Clausen: Add qi wallpaper http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/c099e50 2010-05-03 13:59 Lars-Peter Clausen: chmod -x on data files http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/fe0c2fe 2010-05-03 14:03 Lars-Peter Clausen: Fix typo http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/118bc03 2010-05-03 14:30 Lars-Peter Clausen: browserdialog: Better path handling. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/a37ed02 2010-05-03 14:30 Lars-Peter Clausen: handle mouse events for browser dialog buttons http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/7b66eb3 2010-05-03 16:23 Lars-Peter Clausen: Add ButtonBox widget to simplify managing buttons in the bottombar. Also fixes some memleaks where buttons were left unfreed. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/3b2538c 2010-05-03 16:23 Lars-Peter Clausen: filelister.cpp: Small cleanup http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/2a6a1f0 2010-05-03 16:25 larsc, are most of the changes in gmenu2x cross-platform? So they could be backported to the dingoo? 2010-05-03 16:26 yes 2010-05-03 16:27 ah, great 2010-05-03 16:27 i also plan to add a device abstraction which is a bit cleaner then all the #ifdefs 2010-05-03 16:27 yeah, that would clean up the code a bit 2010-05-03 16:28 so you can use the same codebase for both devices and only have to pass different arguments to configure 2010-05-03 16:28 also, i don't like how it uses the virtual GP2X keys for all the actions 2010-05-03 16:28 so you have to map a key that does the "B button" action 2010-05-03 16:28 i would rather have a way to map a button that does "options menu" or "app launch" action 2010-05-03 16:29 *i'd rather like to have 2010-05-03 16:30 having virtual GP2X buttons is confusing, because on the screen it says "A button does that, B button does that" and actually you have them binded to z and x and it's really confusing 2010-05-03 16:30 hm. sounds reasonable, but would require a bigger config file 2010-05-03 16:31 rafa is getting his nanonote soon, and he was interested in helping gmenu2x developement. So maybe he could lend you a hand with it 2010-05-03 16:32 good :) 2010-05-03 16:32 maybe someone from the dingux scene could help as well. As long as it benefits the dingoo platform 2010-05-03 16:37 as for a bigger config file - i don't mind. The question is - is it simple enough from a technical side to implement it without redesigning the whole program? 2010-05-03 16:41 it would probably require some work. but as the program is not to complex it should be doable. 2010-05-03 16:41 that way we could switch from a limited button control to a full qwerty one 2010-05-03 16:41 yes 2010-05-03 16:42 i guess it would be good to start with adding qwerty support to the textinput fields. 2010-05-03 16:42 yep 2010-05-03 16:43 larsc: the easy way to add qwerty support for gmenu2x would seem to be to do emulation. For example, when gmenu2x draws the keyboard to type some text : you press, for example, the 'H' on nanonote keyboard, and then the gmenu2x code could to do the proper movements on screeen keyboard to emulate the H key pressed. 2010-05-03 16:43 btw, gmenu2x has support for mouse actions, so i think investing in developement of this app can benefit future generation of the nanonote, ex. ones with a touchscreen 2010-05-03 16:44 larsc:+1 to the qwerty 2010-05-03 16:45 rafa, you'd have to store the current position, also remember about different keyboard layouts to choose from 2010-05-03 16:45 there's one for special characters, and one for cyryllic 2010-05-03 16:45 well, the gmenu2x should know which keyboard layout is showing.. 2010-05-03 16:45 *cyrillic 2010-05-03 16:45 and the posittion should be easy to save 2010-05-03 16:46 rafa, well, that is only a workaround, not really solving a problem :) 2010-05-03 16:46 i don't know if i'm in the right position to say that (as i can't help with developing gmenu2x), but i think implementing a true qwerty support (which shouldn't be too hard) would be better 2010-05-03 16:46 of course no, But it seems that nobody is going to clean that code properly, and I guess that nobody wants to keep that code (e.g. rewritten all the bad code there) 2010-05-03 16:47 rafa, i guess larsc is on his way of cleaning the code, fixing the memory leaks, etc 2010-05-03 16:47 zear: "of course no" is the answer to "that is only a workaround, not really solving a problem" :) 2010-05-03 16:47 the question is - does he have enough time to fix it all? :D 2010-05-03 16:48 another question : is really a good idea to do all that? :) 2010-05-03 16:48 gmenu2x is quick, simple, versatile and themeable, it also is touchsreeen/mouse compatible I bet it will continue with us for long time, but when "we"(larsc we are a team, isn't it? :P)  finish with the code maybe it has to be called lasrcmenuNN :P 2010-05-03 16:49 zear: My idea is just for qwerty.. .. if gmenu2x needs a lot of new features and fixes.. and all agree to implement all those features and fixes then the workaround idea is not a good one to do ;) 2010-05-03 16:50 rafa, but you could read the value of a key that's being pressed, and then pass it to a function that prints it's value on screen in the text field, ommiting the virtual keyboard key seleciton 2010-05-03 16:50 i think it should be easier to write than your idea of faking the virtual keyboard keypresses ;) 2010-05-03 16:51 tuxbrain, :D 2010-05-03 16:51 i don't really mind the name 2010-05-03 16:51 zear: well, if the code lets you to do that then yes .. that would be the proper modification to do :) 2010-05-03 16:52 do some of you have gmenu2x videos? I have not tested it.. but everyone love it.. I would like to check how great it is :) 2010-05-03 16:53 rafa, just compile it for x86 :) 2010-05-03 16:53 i use it for my "gamebox" pc 2010-05-03 16:54 (which is my standard pc, just plug a joypad to it, then launch gmenu2x with a nice collection of emulators, and can select the emus/games with it, without a need of using a mouse/keyboard 2010-05-03 16:54 really handy :) 2010-05-03 16:55 zear: okey, I will. Being a newbie in gmenu2x.. which are the best features? 2010-05-03 16:55 different tabs for emulators/games/apps/whatever 2010-05-03 16:56 easy way to add new entries 2010-05-03 16:56 a file selector for emulators/apps that need to load external files 2010-05-03 16:56 ability to launch apps with commandline parameters 2010-05-03 16:56 fully themeable 2010-05-03 16:56 support of different languages 2010-05-03 16:56 fully themeable sounds nice 2010-05-03 16:56 and there is a lot of themes already (as it is used in gp2x/wiz/dingoo) 2010-05-03 16:57 ability to set custom volume/brightness/cpu values for each game separately 2010-05-03 16:57 battery status, filesystem capacity information 2010-05-03 16:58 jeje.. lot of little nice things 2010-05-03 16:58 autoscanning the filesystem for new games/apps 2010-05-03 16:58 though this feature needs the apps to have some sort of an extension 2010-05-03 16:59 for gp2x/wiz it's .gpe, for dingoo it's .dge 2010-05-03 16:59 i think i left the .dge for the nanonote version, unless you guys changed it already 2010-05-03 16:59 of course you can add new apps yourself, then they don't need to have extensions 2010-05-03 17:01 oh yeah, and it can log standard output and error output of the apps that are launched with it 2010-05-03 17:03 well, lot of nice features.. all of them are simple as well. Fully themeable is the hardest perhaps (if we would think to write a new menu) 2010-05-03 17:03 i agree 2010-05-03 17:03 rafa, and it's not only gfx themes, it's also size and position of the bars and icons 2010-05-03 17:29 wejp, check this out: http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/gmenu2x/source/tree/master/pandora/skins/Default/icons/music.png 2010-05-03 17:29 it's from default gmenu2x skin 2010-05-03 17:29 could something like this settle for gmu icon? 2010-05-03 17:57 Lars-Peter Clausen: Initalize buffer. http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/09999ed 2010-05-03 17:57 Lars-Peter Clausen: Fix out of bounds read http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/c9c915c 2010-05-03 17:57 Lars-Peter Clausen: Initalise event http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/dc65381 2010-05-03 18:00 looking at those commit comments, it's a miracle that gmenu2x runs at all :) 2010-05-03 18:01 :D 2010-05-03 19:18 Juan64Bits: Adding Vm and Vrms measure for Scope example with basic signals http://qi-hw.com/p/nn-usb-fpga/07888ac 2010-05-03 19:33 hi, at the moment i compile a toolchain with gentoo. did not found informations how to build a image file. do i have to rev-enginer http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Building_Software_Image or where can i find them? 2010-05-03 19:34 i am not familiar with wrt so it will take a lot of time :-) 2010-05-03 23:09 Hey guys, anyone here experienced with nvidia video cards? 2010-05-03 23:11 Hey guys, anyone here experienced with nvidia video cards?