2010-04-26 07:38 <mortys> Hi zear, do you have any news of slaanesh ?
2010-04-26 07:40 <zear> hey mortys
2010-04-26 07:40 <zear> nope, nothing new
2010-04-26 07:40 <mortys> So we just have to wait :), but I supposed it polishing his release...
2010-04-26 08:09 <mortys> Zear, Slaanesh released the Dosbox test version.
2010-04-26 08:20 <zear> yep, testing it right now :)
2010-04-26 08:21 <mortys> I'm gonna do it now
2010-04-26 08:26 <mortys> what do you use to mount the µsd card as C_Drive
2010-04-26 08:26 <mortys> in the config file
2010-04-26 08:32 <mortys> Zear ?
2010-04-26 08:32 <zear> first you need to mount in on linux
2010-04-26 08:32 <zear> then you do mount C /card
2010-04-26 08:33 <zear> in dosbox.conf
2010-04-26 08:33 <mortys> so you don't put the C drive stuff at the end... ok
2010-04-26 08:33 <zear> nope, check dosbox.conf
2010-04-26 08:33 <zear> there's an example at the bottom
2010-04-26 08:34 <mortys> I've done it but write C /card/ c_drive
2010-04-26 08:34 <mortys> not just C /card/
2010-04-26 08:36 <mortys> syndicate is launching :)
2010-04-26 08:37 <mortys> pretty slow but launched
2010-04-26 09:18 <mortys> How do you get the mouse to work ?
2010-04-26 13:55 <mstevens> yay, microsd usb adapter arrived
2010-04-26 14:29 <mstevens> attempts my first openwrt build
2010-04-26 15:05 <mstevens> cheers on the openwrt build process and hopes this doesn't really take 6 hours
2010-04-26 15:07 <larsc> depends on your cpu and ram
2010-04-26 15:08 <mstevens> well I think this machine is fairly good, but there's only one way to find out
2010-04-26 15:08 <larsc> if it's a revent machine and your are not include qt in your build it should be less then an hour
2010-04-26 15:09 <mstevens> It's whatever the default build is
2010-04-26 15:10 <larsc> default build is less then half an hour
2010-04-26 15:13 <mstevens> ha, build failed
2010-04-26 20:49 <wolfspraul> I have setup irclogs of this channel at http://en.qi-hardware.com/irclogs
2010-04-26 20:49 <wolfspraul> also, git pushes (commits) into any of the projects on projects.qi-hardware.com should now trigger 1 line into #qi-hardware as well
2010-04-26 20:49 <wolfspraul> let's see whether it all works, we may need to finetune a little here and there...
2010-04-26 20:55 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: hi there, still up?
2010-04-26 20:56 <mth> hi wolfspraul
2010-04-26 20:57 <mth> larsc: does the NanoNote have backlight control? I can't find any reference to it in board-qi_lb60.c (lb60 is the NN, right?)
2010-04-26 20:58 <mth> I am considering writing a backlight driver for Dingoo, but maybe I can make it a generic JZ backlight driver in one go
2010-04-26 20:58 <mth> then I can remove all backlight related code from the SLCD driver
2010-04-26 20:59 <wolfspraul> mth: hi :-)
2010-04-26 20:59 <wolfspraul> lb60 is ben nanonote, yes
2010-04-26 21:04 <kristianpaul> wolfspraul: hola
2010-04-26 21:05 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: how is everything going with the NanoNote?
2010-04-26 21:05 <kristianpaul> so far, is good
2010-04-26 21:05 <wolfspraul> I will give a talk at the Campus Party in Bogota in late June/early July
2010-04-26 21:05 <wolfspraul> two talks actually
2010-04-26 21:05 <kristianpaul> ohh
2010-04-26 21:05 <kristianpaul> me too
2010-04-26 21:05 <wolfspraul> ah great
2010-04-26 21:06 <kristianpaul> indeed !
2010-04-26 21:06 <wolfspraul> I was just asking how far it is from Bogota to your place :-)
2010-04-26 21:06 <kristianpaul> kind of
2010-04-26 21:06 <kristianpaul> if you open a OSM map of colombia
2010-04-26 21:06 <wolfspraul> so I need to prepare many many things on my end, but one thing I wanted to try is to get a simple Colombian disti setup
2010-04-26 21:06 <kristianpaul> Buga from Bogota is 500Km far
2010-04-26 21:06 <kristianpaul> disti = distribution?
2010-04-26 21:07 <wolfspraul> normally I like traveling, bus/train etc. but in Colombia the general advice in the west seems to be to not do that :-)
2010-04-26 21:07 <kristianpaul> well plain is better, and faster
2010-04-26 21:07 <kristianpaul> for the people can affor it
2010-04-26 21:07 <kristianpaul> afford*
2010-04-26 21:07 <wolfspraul> k
2010-04-26 21:07 <wolfspraul> but anyway you are in Bogota
2010-04-26 21:07 <wolfspraul> disti = distributor, yes
2010-04-26 21:08 <kristianpaul> for campus party i will
2010-04-26 21:08 <wolfspraul> so I need to find someone who can help not so much on profit motives, but just to get a few Nanos at good prices to interested people in Colombia
2010-04-26 21:08 <kristianpaul> nice
2010-04-26 21:08 <wolfspraul> can you help me find someone?
2010-04-26 21:09 <wolfspraul> nice it would be if we would find someone :-)
2010-04-26 21:09 <kristianpaul> i dont know
2010-04-26 21:09 <kristianpaul> indeed
2010-04-26 21:09 <kristianpaul> may be i can ask
2010-04-26 21:09 <kristianpaul> hmm
2010-04-26 21:09 <kristianpaul> wait
2010-04-26 21:09 <wolfspraul> there was a company in Colombia asking about distributor once, but I think they would sell at huge markup etc.
2010-04-26 21:10 <wolfspraul> 1 USD = ca. 2000 colombian pesos, right?
2010-04-26 21:10 <kristianpaul> yes
2010-04-26 21:10 <wolfspraul> so the coolest thing would be if we could sell for 200,000 pesos, but that's probably impossible with shipping & import taxes
2010-04-26 21:10 <kristianpaul> :(
2010-04-26 21:10 <kristianpaul> indeed
2010-04-26 21:10 <kristianpaul> my nano was 260.000
2010-04-26 21:11 <wolfspraul> I am willing to share the burden on my end, but the problem is more to find an equal partner on the other end who won't add 100% :-)
2010-04-26 21:11 <wolfspraul> that's a great price
2010-04-26 21:11 <wolfspraul> that's only the cost of shipping & import taxes added
2010-04-26 21:11 <kristianpaul> yes
2010-04-26 21:11 <wolfspraul> which at this stage is what it should be, we need to find people that help us spread the thing. If we don't find them, well then it spreads slower...
2010-04-26 21:11 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: basically we need this:
2010-04-26 21:12 <wolfspraul> We need someone who is willing to order 20 Nanos, say for a total of about 4 million pesos
2010-04-26 21:12 <wolfspraul> they need to risk that much money
2010-04-26 21:12 <wolfspraul> then we will work together with them to sell them in colombia
2010-04-26 21:12 <wolfspraul> since I give a talk, and you are also at campus party, I think we have a chance that we get them sold
2010-04-26 21:13 <wolfspraul> but in the end the distributor will most likely only make all his costs back, and have become a member of our community
2010-04-26 21:13 <kristianpaul> thats hard people to find here
2010-04-26 21:13 <wolfspraul> if he totally cannot sell, I am willing to take the nanos back, but even then the distributor will loose a little money for shipping, taxes, or what not (and his time)
2010-04-26 21:13 <kristianpaul> wish have 4 millones
2010-04-26 21:14 <kristianpaul> wait a  min, you mean sell in the campus party time?
2010-04-26 21:14 <wolfspraul> I am just trying to find a way to get them to people that are interested. Which I think after my campus party talk there will be some.
2010-04-26 21:14 <wolfspraul> And maybe there wish to buy one can be fulfilled, or not. At least I want to try.
2010-04-26 21:15 <wolfspraul> and I think we should work together to bring the price down, not up. I am looking for someone to help me on that.
2010-04-26 21:15 <wolfspraul> I don't know whether I am allowed to sell there, I think they don't like that. Which is fine.
2010-04-26 21:15 <wolfspraul> But there will be a talk about Ben NanoNote (and SAKC), so I would think a few people at least will say "yeah, I want to play with this too"
2010-04-26 21:15 <kristianpaul> yeah campus people is bad ;)
2010-04-26 21:16 <kristianpaul> what said carlos there?
2010-04-26 21:16 <kristianpaul> he is in bogota
2010-04-26 21:16 <kristianpaul> may be know more people than do i
2010-04-26 21:16 <wolfspraul> Carlos and his students are already doing so much to help.
2010-04-26 21:16 <wolfspraul> maybe there is a LUG in Colombia, or some other free software/content people?
2010-04-26 21:16 <kristianpaul> sure
2010-04-26 21:17 <kristianpaul> at slcolombia.org
2010-04-26 21:17 <wolfspraul> Creative Commons Colombia? Local Wikimedia Foundation chapter?
2010-04-26 21:17 <kristianpaul> yes there is Creative Commons
2010-04-26 21:17 <kristianpaul> Carolina Botero is in charge
2010-04-26 21:17 <wolfspraul> we just need 1 person who says "what the heck, why not, I just take the plunge and risk 4 million pesos to help these guys get started in Colombia"
2010-04-26 21:17 <wolfspraul> plus I am 90% confident we make every penny back
2010-04-26 21:17 <wolfspraul> I even take the Nanos back myself if they don't sell
2010-04-26 21:18 <wolfspraul> but the one thing that is not possible is that everybody makes a lot of money. That won't work at the beginning, the product is too cheap and volumes too low right now.
2010-04-26 21:18 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: so if you can ask around a bit that would be cool
2010-04-26 21:18 <kristianpaul> wolfspraul: i'll try
2010-04-26 21:18 <wolfspraul> would be sad if I give a talk but the stuff I am talking about is inaccessible to people
2010-04-26 21:19 <kristianpaul> considering i'm dont know too much rich people ;)
2010-04-26 21:19 <wolfspraul> only to the rich who order with fedex from Hong Kong
2010-04-26 21:19 <kristianpaul> it still expensive here even 200mill
2010-04-26 21:19 <wolfspraul> my ticket to Colombia costs more than 20 Nanos
2010-04-26 21:19 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: the moment we have someone who takes an EQUAL RISK in this, I am willing to take a bigger risk too
2010-04-26 21:19 <kristianpaul> this is not a rich conuntry, technology still expensive for masess
2010-04-26 21:20 <wolfspraul> meaning that I could well imagine to lower prices further for Colombia
2010-04-26 21:20 <kristianpaul> yes, i understand
2010-04-26 21:20 <wolfspraul> but the problem is like I said: It doesn't make sense that I lower prices only so that others can markup more.
2010-04-26 21:20 <wolfspraul> we get requests all the time
2010-04-26 21:20 <wolfspraul> but those are companies that will sell it for 200USD and more
2010-04-26 21:20 <kristianpaul> yes :(
2010-04-26 21:20 <wolfspraul> 350 even (in one emerging country)
2010-04-26 21:20 <wolfspraul> crazy
2010-04-26 21:21 <kristianpaul> :(
2010-04-26 21:21 <wolfspraul> if we can make the nanos more accessible I have a plan to drive them down to 60 USD
2010-04-26 21:21 <wolfspraul> but needs higher volume. and higher volume needs better software and content, which gladly lots of people are working on right now.
2010-04-26 21:21 <wolfspraul> including you :-)
2010-04-26 21:22 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: ok, so back to the Colombia 'distributor' - can you ask around a bit?
2010-04-26 21:22 <kristianpaul> yes i'll do
2010-04-26 21:22 <wolfspraul> I'd say we should not look for the normal 'import' company, they are only motivated by large markup
2010-04-26 21:22 <kristianpaul> so 4millons?
2010-04-26 21:22 <wolfspraul> we need to look for a believer/supporter of the project
2010-04-26 21:22 <kristianpaul> yes
2010-04-26 21:22 <kristianpaul> i'll look for a local foundation
2010-04-26 21:23 <wolfspraul> if we cannot find that person then that just means the device is only available via fedex from hk
2010-04-26 21:23 <kristianpaul> not promise, but i'll try
2010-04-26 21:23 <wolfspraul> which it is already
2010-04-26 21:23 <wolfspraul> that means until all import taxes have been paid 1 Ben NanoNote costs ca. 200 USD in Colombia
2010-04-26 21:23 <wolfspraul> 400,000 pesos
2010-04-26 21:23 <wolfspraul> so we have that already
2010-04-26 21:23 <kristianpaul> beleiveme, if i have that money, i'll put in nanos
2010-04-26 21:23 <wolfspraul> but now we are trying to bring it down
2010-04-26 21:24 <wolfspraul> carlos brought it down by ordering 20, btw
2010-04-26 21:24 <wolfspraul> by ordering 10 or 20, the per unit shipping costs comes down a lot
2010-04-26 21:24 <kristianpaul> btw, Carlos is on business i mean, i know he own emqbit, and sell stuff and services
2010-04-26 21:24 <kristianpaul> not all is just teaching
2010-04-26 21:25 <wolfspraul> sure I know. But they already bend over backwards to help.
2010-04-26 21:25 <kristianpaul> okay
2010-04-26 21:25 <wolfspraul> Only thanks to Carlos do we have some Nanos in Colombia now, for reasonable prices like you bought.
2010-04-26 21:25 <wolfspraul> Carlos is the only free software/content guy in Colombia?
2010-04-26 21:25 <wolfspraul> that's just impossible
2010-04-26 21:25 <kristianpaul> not
2010-04-26 21:26 <kristianpaul> check this http://code.google.com/p/altaimpedancia/
2010-04-26 21:26 <wolfspraul> so someone please put their money where their mouth is
2010-04-26 21:26 <kristianpaul> are other guys interested in hardware freedom
2010-04-26 21:26 <wolfspraul> we make it back anyway, the only thing we cannot create are real profits right now
2010-04-26 21:26 <kristianpaul> i know i know, i'll try talk with people i'm related (a few) but is a try
2010-04-26 21:27 <wolfspraul> great! :-) thanks...
2010-04-26 21:27 <wolfspraul> so how's the nano for you? starting to become useful?
2010-04-26 21:27 <kristianpaul> really !
2010-04-26 21:27 <kristianpaul> ogg music all time so far
2010-04-26 21:27 <wolfspraul> so much software we could/should bring to it
2010-04-26 21:27 <kristianpaul> i just need make some time to add more sofware
2010-04-26 21:28 <wolfspraul> yeah
2010-04-26 21:28 <wolfspraul> do you have an accoung on projects.qi-hardware.com ?
2010-04-26 21:28 <kristianpaul> nope
2010-04-26 21:28 <wolfspraul> that way you could commit directly into qi-packages, and your stuff shows up in our images and package repos
2010-04-26 21:28 <kristianpaul> and ill try have some case prototype before campus party
2010-04-26 21:28 <wolfspraul> wow, cool
2010-04-26 21:28 <kristianpaul> wich my conference will be about reprap i hope :)
2010-04-26 21:28 <wolfspraul> I can show them on my talk.
2010-04-26 21:28 <wolfspraul> nice!
2010-04-26 21:29 <kristianpaul> i want :)
2010-04-26 21:29 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: create yourself an account on projects, then I'll add you to the qi-packages project
2010-04-26 21:29 <wolfspraul> so you can commit there
2010-04-26 21:29 <kristianpaul> ok
2010-04-26 21:29 <kristianpaul> i did i think
2010-04-26 21:29 <wolfspraul> it's very important that the porting work that is going on shows up in the images and package repos, so it becomes easily accessible for everybody
2010-04-26 21:29 <kristianpaul> kristianpaul = user
2010-04-26 21:29 <wolfspraul> oh one sec
2010-04-26 21:29 <wolfspraul> should I add you to openwrt-packages and openwrt-xburst?
2010-04-26 21:30 <kristianpaul> that remenber i really liked that project management
2010-04-26 21:30 <kristianpaul> i'll ask for it as soon i have something usefull i think
2010-04-26 21:30 <wolfspraul> I'll just add you now
2010-04-26 21:30 <kristianpaul> ok
2010-04-26 21:30 <wolfspraul> no need to waste time later again
2010-04-26 21:32 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: I added you as member to openwrt-packages, openwrt-xburst and xburst-tools
2010-04-26 21:32 <kristianpaul> wolfspraul: are yo coming for wich days of campus party?
2010-04-26 21:32 <kristianpaul> okay thanks for the trust
2010-04-26 21:32 <wolfspraul> I forgot in detail how it works, I think you may have to upload your ssh public key, then you can push into the repo
2010-04-26 21:32 <wolfspraul> nah, thanks for hanging around and sharing your passion!
2010-04-26 21:32 <wolfspraul> all days
2010-04-26 21:33 <wolfspraul> in fact I arrive 2 days early
2010-04-26 21:33 <kristianpaul> i do :)
2010-04-26 21:33 <wolfspraul> 25 or 26
2010-04-26 21:33 <kristianpaul> i hope we can chat a bit
2010-04-26 21:33 <wolfspraul> of course
2010-04-26 21:35 <kristianpaul> ohh
2010-04-26 21:35 <kristianpaul> i'm there http://www.campus-party.com.co/Software_Libre.html
2010-04-26 21:35 <kristianpaul> :D
2010-04-26 21:35 <kristianpaul> Cristian Peñaranda
2010-04-26 21:36 <wolfspraul> nice
2010-04-26 21:36 <kristianpaul> so see you thre :)
2010-04-26 21:42 <wolfspraul> definitely
2010-04-26 21:42 <wolfspraul> we'll chat more about it anyway
2010-04-26 21:42 <wolfspraul> lots of things for me to prepare, even the whole trip is not finalized yet
2010-04-26 21:42 <kristianpaul> can you bring a mlkimist one if is avaliable fot that date?
2010-04-26 21:43 <kristianpaul> :D
2010-04-26 21:48 <mth> larsc: Dingoo backlight needs PWM on timer 7, since that sends pulses over GPIO PD31
2010-04-26 21:48 <mth> the current timer.h does not contain functions yet to reserve a timer
2010-04-26 21:49 <mth> do you already have a design for that in mind, or should I improvise something and then let you review it?
2010-04-26 21:50 <kristianpaul> wolfspraul: http://www.projectcaua.org/ maybe qi could fit in someway, (just passing the link)
2010-04-26 21:59 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: what is this projectaua ?
2010-04-26 21:59 <wolfspraul> I know maddog is doing it but it looked very lofty to me last time I checked
2010-04-26 21:59 <kristianpaul> wolfspraul: do yuo know john mad dog?
2010-04-26 22:00 <kristianpaul> yes
2010-04-26 22:00 <kristianpaul> well is other project trying to use free technologies to third world countries
2010-04-26 22:01 <wolfspraul> yes but are they doing anything?
2010-04-26 22:01 <wolfspraul> any results yet?
2010-04-26 22:01 <kristianpaul> i heard from maddog there is a running pilot in brazil righ now, but not sure wich free tecnologies are using
2010-04-26 22:01 <kristianpaul> not public
2010-04-26 22:01 <wolfspraul> he, OK. Nothing then.
2010-04-26 22:01 <wolfspraul> :-)
2010-04-26 22:43 <DingooDigitalUSA> who wants an A330