03:00 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: cameo/templates/mkmk-simple: accept no only Gerber but also $NAME.gp as input (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/cae-tools/1f04d64

03:00 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: cameo/path.c (path_find_leftmost): continue searching for the smallest coordinate (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/cae-tools/dddb035

03:01 <wpwrak_> the number of bugs i managed to put in this stuff is truly amazing ...

03:18 <rjeffries> did wpwrak dismiss this one? Package it in a Ben Nanonote style shell with a better display, and live a better (and open-ish) life

03:18 <rjeffries> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1133560316/black-swift-tiny-wireless-computer

03:38 <wpwrak_> nicksydney: mentioned it yesterday. nothing goes unnoticed here ;-)

03:40 <wpwrak_> not sure if it could drive the LCD, though. that's a CPU that's pretty much optimized for small routers, so it may not have display hardware. and doing this it software may be messy and inefficient.

03:43 <rjeffries> the world needs a simple, low-energy-consuming standalone GPU. #problemsolved

03:44 <nicksydney> this might do for a low powered GPU perhaps .. http://www.ftdichip.com/EVE.htm

03:44 <nicksydney> :)

03:44 <whitequark> not really, integrated GPU is much nicer

03:44 <whitequark> the issue is getting your data onto the GPU

03:46 <rjeffries> yes, a total integrated CPU+GPU+sensors+BLE+WiFi SOC is so much more elegant. no argument. Low energy consumption, low cost, high volume part. all good.

03:48 <whitequark> GPU is a particularly bad thing to get off chip

03:48 <whitequark> even in laptops they moved to integrated GPU

03:52 <wpwrak_> ftdi = evil :)

03:53 <whitequark> ftdi's thing is fine for UI things

03:53 <whitequark> very low traffic

03:53 <wpwrak_> rjeffries: i'm not even talking about a GPU. it may not even have a dumb frame buffer. so you would have to generate the bit stream by DMA (if you can)

03:54 <wpwrak_> whitequark: is the ftdi thing fully documented ? or is it "fully open API (you have to link against our (closed, naturally) libraries)"

04:01 <rjeffries> so showing my considerable ignorance is there a clever hack that might add framebuffer that does not totally suck? Maybe only adequate for text?\ wait maybe that describes ftdichip

04:02 <whitequark> you can do text, it's called "a vt52 terminal"

04:02 <whitequark> "over serial port"

04:02 <whitequark> then you realize people want transparent windows at 60fps

04:07 <rjeffries> this is a good read. a stripped down computer slightly better than Ben Nanonote with no mic, no camera, very opne... might help one avoid survelliance state

04:09 <wpwrak_> rjeffries: some displays have an internal frame buffer from which they can refresh autonomously. so if you get one of these, you can just bigbang it or such. of course, finding a good display will be hard enough if you don't have such extra requirements .. :)

04:38 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: http://www.coultersmithing.com/OldStuff/CLAB/coffee_can_reflow.htm

08:41 <DocScrutinizer05> whitequark: sth special to look for in that?

08:42 <whitequark> pretty well done PID

08:44 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah ok :)

09:09 <larsc> how, it's can as in the container, I first thought he'd just pour hot coffee over the board

10:21 <DocScrutinizer05> ohmy, compare http://www.coultersmithing.com/OldStuff/CLAB/It_Almost_Worked.htm and http://www.coultersmithing.com/OldStuff/CLAB/images/RFMod1.jpg against http://www.ebay.de/itm/Edelstahl-Friteuse-3L-2200-W-Fritteuse-Fritoese-Frittoese-Kaltzonen-Friteuse-GS-/231453537182

10:26 <DocScrutinizer05> or even this http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/828695/Wasserkocher-schnurlos-mit-manueller-Temperatureinstellung-Severin-WK-3369-Edelstahl-gebuerstet-Schwarz?queryFromSuggest=true

10:27 <DocScrutinizer05> sure, needs some "tuning"

11:01 <DocScrutinizer05> (PID) hehe, i now had the tooling to do this sort of simpler: 35V@10A USB programmable PSU, and a DMM with thermocouple that I can read out via USB