DocScrutinizer05 changed the topic of #qi-hardware to: Copyleft hardware - http://qi-hardware.com | hardware hackers join here to discuss Ben NanoNote, atben / atusb 802.15.4 wireless, and other community driven hw projects | public logging at http://en.qi-hardware.com/irclogs and http://irclog.whitequark.org/qi-hardware
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<Amorah> anyone alive?
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<wpwrak> naw, our self-destruct mechanisms are error-free :)
<arhuaco_> Alive but going to sleep.
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<eintopf> mhhh
<eintopf> the yoda keyboard
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<wpwrak> thought of the day: among zombies, "anyone alive" is probably an insult
<wpwrak> (yoda kbd) the hhkb is strong in that one :)
<wpwrak> the three mouse buttons seem a bit large, though
<eintopf> I want a better keyboard, but for 229.99 $? I would better buy 5 of http://www.cherry.de/PDF/DE_G80-3000.pdf
<eintopf> but I need black edition in US layout
<eintopf> and with euro symbol :)
<eintopf> G80-3000LSCEU-2
<wpwrak> you could get a HHKB Lite. that's only some USD 70. all of the HHKB are great and well worth the money, even if some of them seems very expensive.
<wpwrak> (i have one of the original ones, with PS/2, a pro, and i had - and lost - a lite)
<DocScrutinizer05> yoda kbd. UGH! USD229 for a crappy kbd with an annoying nipple that I usually immediately remove from all my thinkpads and "plug" it into the (otherwise useless) modem RJ11 receptacle
<wpwrak> the nipple - the most intuitive user interface ever ;-)
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<eintopf> the nipple is better than a touchpad
<eintopf> correct word is trackpoint
<eintopf> nipples... oh yea sometimes you need to know how you can deal with real nipples.
<eintopf> :-P
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<DocScrutinizer05> I'd trade in a trackpoint for a trackball any time. And a touchpad is usually even more convenient than a trackball, when it's a good touchpad, not too small
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<whitequark> sigh
<whitequark> I'm trying to switch to kicad
<whitequark> immediately after creating a new project, it errors out
<whitequark> when attempting to save said project, it just segfaults
<whitequark> A+ engineering right here
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<wpwrak> whitequark: with kicad, you need to work a bit on the workflow. the way kicad proposes to do things often doesn't work too well
<wpwrak> e.g., i have a makefile that invokes eeschema and pcbnew directly with the respective project
<wpwrak> and then i don
<wpwrak> 't manage symbol and footprint libraries through the gui but by just adding them to the project file. much more convenient.
<wpwrak> and of course i don't use the footprint editor at all but do them with fped
<wpwrak> the editor for schematics symbols is okay, though. nothing extraordinary but sufficient.
<wpwrak> it's useful to "enhance" them for visualization, though. like in http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/tmp/kicad-libs-components.pdf
<wpwrak> there, i also add the pin type, so one can see what has been set there, without having to explore it interactively
<wpwrak> the script for it is in the kicad-libs project (and you may want to use that project for components anyway)
<wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: i think trackballs are died of the y2k bug :) and i hate those fumblepads. what i prefer is a trackpoint as emergency solution while on the go and a small mouse for use when i have a table
<whitequark> just don't use shitty touchpads. make sure it's a new-ish (like post 2011) synaptics
<whitequark> maybe post 2009
<wpwrak> but i know there are people who love fumblepads and the industry is pretty much forcing them down our collective throats anyway ...
<eintopf> never heard "fumblepads"
<eintopf> google will correct me to "rumblepad" and that's normally the gamepad extension for vibration. I think the original word cames from N64 and the "rumblepack"
<eintopf> ah rumble - some vibration and pad for pad
<DocScrutinizer05> no, fumble like... fumbling
<wpwrak> (fumblepads) i just made it up ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05> pettingpet
<wpwrak> nice ;-) and also the picture in the comments
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<DocScrutinizer05> ~chanadd #qi-hardware
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<infobot> Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of docscrutinizer05)
<DocScrutinizer05> ~chanadd #qi-hardware
<infobot> Joining #qi-hardware...
<DocScrutinizer05> ~chanset #qi-hardware sed 0
<infobot> Setting sed for #qi-hardware to '0'.
<DocScrutinizer05> ~chanset #qi-hardware log 0
<infobot> Setting log for #qi-hardware to '0'.
<DocScrutinizer05> ~save
<infobot> saved user and chan files
<DocScrutinizer05> ~+chaninfo #qi-hardware
<infobot> On #qi-hardware, there have been 1 Deop, 1 Join and 3 PublicMsgs. At the moment, 1 Voice, 2 Opped and 50 Total. repo has said the most with a total of 396 messages.
<DocScrutinizer05> ~chanset #qi-hardware
<infobot> chan: #qi-hardware (see _default also)
<infobot> _time_added => 1414258294, autojoin => infobot, log => 0, sed => 0
<DocScrutinizer05> ~listkeys #qi-hardware
<infobot> Factoid search of '#qi-hardware' by key (4): #qi-hardware bill gates ;; #qi-hardware milkymist ;; #qi-hardware infobot ;; #qi-hardware flashing.
<DocScrutinizer05> ~chanset #qi-hardware factoidSearch $channel _default
<infobot> Setting factoidSearch for #qi-hardware to '$channel _default'.
<DocScrutinizer05> ~milkymist
<infobot> methinks milkymist is /join #qi-hardware
<DocScrutinizer05> ~literal milkymist
<infobot> "milkymist" is "/join #qi-hardware"
<DocScrutinizer05> ~literal #qi-hardware milkymist
<infobot> "#qi-hardware milkymist" is "a mystery"
<DocScrutinizer05> ~chanset #qi-hardware factoidSearch $chan _default
<infobot> Setting factoidSearch for #qi-hardware to '$chan _default'; was '$channel _default'.
<DocScrutinizer05> ~milkymist
<infobot> well, milkymist is a mystery
<DocScrutinizer05> sorry for the noise. Just thought I better do it in the open
<DocScrutinizer05> bot shouldn't log, shouldn't react on s/x/y/, and generally behave
<DocScrutinizer05> if any complaints, please holler
<DocScrutinizer05> ~save
<infobot> saved user and chan files
<DocScrutinizer05> attention char is "~", nick is infobot
<DocScrutinizer05> ~infobot
<infobot> I'm your very local infobot, and this is a facoid only valid in this chan
<DocScrutinizer05> whitequark: please make _whitelogger register at nickserv!
<whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: what for?
<DocScrutinizer05> to handle it accordingly
<whitequark> huh?
<DocScrutinizer05> I cannot add it to access lists when it's anonymous
<whitequark> does it need to be in an access list?
<DocScrutinizer05> should, for documenting it's a legit bot
<whitequark> I'll have to take it down...
<DocScrutinizer05> why?
<whitequark> to login under it
<DocScrutinizer05> sure, for 30s ;)
<whitequark> it boots for five minutes
<whitequark> freenode kicks it unless the outgoing message rate is limited to 1/2 msg per second
<DocScrutinizer05> no hurries
<whitequark> and it currently handles ... 38 channels
<DocScrutinizer05> wow
<DocScrutinizer05> could it eventually handle 39 too?
<whitequark> sure, I'll expect it to scale up to hundreds at least
<whitequark> maybe later, I also need to add support for re-reading configuration from disk to it anyway
<ChanServ> DocScrutinizer05 (jOERG_rw) set flags +V on _whitelogger!whitelogge@fehu.whitequark.org.
<DocScrutinizer05> added full hostmask for now. that's not spoofing-safe though
<whitequark> not broken-connection-safe too (it will reconnect as _whitelogger_____
<DocScrutinizer05> see, that's why I'd ask you make it authenticate at nickserv ;-)
<whitequark> well yes, it makes sense
<whitequark> it's just the boot is friggin slow
<DocScrutinizer05> could you please add #neo900 to logged channels?
<whitequark> ... and I'll have to reboot it afterwards
<whitequark> so you win
<whitequark> could as well register it
<whitequark> sure, wait a sec, I'll finish other stuff
<DocScrutinizer05> infobots logs suck
<whitequark> duh
<whitequark> do you know about irclogger's textmode? http://irclog.whitequark.org/jruby/2014-10-25.txt
<DocScrutinizer05> nope
<whitequark> plaintext logs
<whitequark> and by popular request I also support downloading plaintext archives for entire history using lftp -c 'mirror http://irclog.whitequark.org/$CHANNEL/index/'
<DocScrutinizer05> well, that's about what you get from infobot . once a day :-/
<whitequark> for backups and such
<DocScrutinizer05> ftp is cool feature
<whitequark> lftp
<DocScrutinizer05> thanks a megaton
<whitequark> different program
<whitequark> it's not actually ftp, I don't know why it has ftp in the name
<whitequark> it's like recursive wget
<DocScrutinizer05> btw infobot also takes like 10 minutes to log in to its 120some channels
<DocScrutinizer05> plus it sucks on netsplits, never notices that it got dropped on some channels, or even some personalities (ibot, apt)
<DocScrutinizer05> (purl)
<whitequark> oh, huh
<whitequark> I'm using some Ruby library (cinch), it smoothes over so many IRC warts
<whitequark> and is very stable too, it can run for months without really any intervention
<DocScrutinizer05> ibot is plain perl iirc
<whitequark> it's more about the libraries
<whitequark> whatever Ruby library I used before sucked, the bot had to be restarted at least daily
<DocScrutinizer05> that sucks
<DocScrutinizer05> gotta run. please ping me when you're ready with tweaks
<wpwrak> (downloading) for statistics ! :)
<eintopf> grml, i am ill
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