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<ezdagor>
anyone know where I can buy a Nanonote?
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<wpwrak>
you could try pulster.eu
<ezdagor>
Do they accept USD?
<wpwrak>
they work in EUR, either with wire transfer or paypal. so the currency conversion is sort of automatic
<ezdagor>
ok. thanks.
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<DocScrutinizer05>
wpwrak: you live in the americas, no?
<DocScrutinizer05>
could you explain to me what's the usual procedure to buy and register/make work a CDMA phone? Given I do *not* want to buy it from carrier
<DocScrutinizer05>
AIUI CMDA phones usually don't have SIM
<DocScrutinizer05>
What would an Asian user do when roaming to USA with his SIM-CDMA phone?
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<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer05: hmm, no idea. cdma disappeared in argentina a long time ago. it's all GSM now.
<wpwrak>
and i think any hybrid would be messy :)
<wpwrak>
when in the US or canada, i of course also used GSM networks. should be similar with UMTS.
<wpwrak>
and yes, LTE is probably useless for a global product
<wpwrak>
in a 2012 c't article i just read, they mention some 34 LTE bands world-wide, so ...
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<wpwrak>
of course, UMTS isn't exactly "universal" either ...
<wpwrak>
but at least you have GSM and EDGE. finally something you can trust ;-)
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<ysionneau>
maybe someday you will see massively multi band LTE chips
<ysionneau>
configurable
<ysionneau>
dunno how hard it would be
<ysionneau>
I know chips capable of receiving and decoding multi standard dvb, I guess dvb is not on the same band if you are in europe or usa or Japan etc
<wpwrak>
the question is if the carriers would even want such chips to exist. and since almost everything is sold through carriers, ...
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<DocScrutinizer05>
to me it seems carriers actively drive that diversification to protect their markets
<larsc>
one receiver to rule them all
<DocScrutinizer05>
this started with 900/1800 vs 800/1900 for GSM, which had no *real* rationale
<DocScrutinizer05>
mainly NIH and "off my lawn. sucker!"
<DocScrutinizer05>
cdma allegedly is way more safe and technically superior. I have a hard time following that argument
<DocScrutinizer05>
anyway PXS8 is nice, and speaks UMTS and Verizon/Sprint CDMA2000
<wpwrak>
isn't it that some of the GSM bands of EU were already assigned in the US ? and perhaps vice versa
<DocScrutinizer05>
seems Canadians (and US residents) are mad for such a device
<wpwrak>
;-)
<wpwrak>
desperate captive customers. we love them (-:C
<DocScrutinizer05>
wpwrak: the official explanation been sth along the line "900 is allocated to military already" - but that's been utter BS
<wpwrak>
ah yes, what's what i had heard as well
<DocScrutinizer05>
evidence: now they use 900 for UMTS
<wpwrak>
well, i'm sure they're not unhappy about the fragmentation.
<DocScrutinizer05>
exactly
<wpwrak>
could be that they were already retiring military use of 900. after all, quite a few years passed between GSM and UMTS.
<DocScrutinizer05>
market protection not by taxes but by technical means
<DocScrutinizer05>
wpwrak: military RF stuff has *always* means to use a wide range of frequencies, since they don't want to make it too simple for any enemy to build jammers
<wpwrak>
sure. but i guess they sill want "their" bands.
<DocScrutinizer05>
sure, they always want as much as they can get or defend
<wpwrak>
;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
after all they are THE MILITARY
<DocScrutinizer05>
not even police or governments have any word in what they're doing
<wpwrak>
in the good old times, warlords were the rulers, so the military got to do as it pleased.
<DocScrutinizer05>
john F. Kenedy had a pretty hard time to keep his military from using the nukes, back in cuba crisis
<wpwrak>
later on, civil governments were regularly toppled by military rulers, so the military still got to do as it pleased.
<DocScrutinizer05>
:nod:
<wpwrak>
nowadays, civil rulers are in charge permanently, and the milirary gets to do as it pleases.
<wpwrak>
the more things change, the more they stay the same :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
and civilians using RF technology, for *communication* DANG if they could they would stop it all together
<DocScrutinizer05>
nevertheless military may use whatever band they seem fit. So they generally wouldn't care too much about 900MHz if it wasn't some senator or some industry via a senator would suggest they should keep it, for sake of national markets
<wpwrak>
surreptitious use of the military for economic warfare on the home soil :)
<DocScrutinizer05>
after all if it really was important for them, they had kept it and UMTS wouldn't use it today. OR they don't need it and need to phase out some old technology that uses 900, so the sooner the better, for military POV
<DocScrutinizer05>
the sooner they get new weapons
<wpwrak>
well, the military tends to be slow. having a few fancy new drones doesn't mean that they don't still have bunkers full of WW2 ordnance
<DocScrutinizer05>
ooh, and killer argument: all military technology designed to work abroad, and they wouldn't want to see their cruise missiles or whatever fail in europe where 900MHz is used a lot, so they *mist* have means to cope with it
<DocScrutinizer05>
s/mist/MUST/
<qi-bot>
DocScrutinizer05 meant: "ooh, and killer argument: all military technology designed to work abroad, and they wouldn't want to see their cruise missiles or whatever fail in europe where 900MHz is used a lot, so they *MUST* have means to cope with it"
<DocScrutinizer05>
the non-mobile infra can't be much
<wpwrak>
well, their 900 MHz use may be for things that don't travel often
<wpwrak>
also, it would be easy enough to bomb all the 900 MHz transmitters in a target area
<DocScrutinizer05>
dang, that would look like WW-II
<DocScrutinizer05>
I guess we have ~5 stations per square km here, in urban areas
<DocScrutinizer05>
and when they ever need to use that 900MHz technology on their own territories, they don't even need to bomb the stations away, they could switch them off by the push of a single button
<DocScrutinizer05>
nah, a red herring
<DocScrutinizer05>
always been, everybody plainly could see
<DocScrutinizer05>
and the nice thing about "Military use!" excuse: nobody may ask for details
<DocScrutinizer05>
;-P
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<qwebirc16429>
hello
<qwebirc16429>
greetings
<wpwrak>
around here, were's the impolite kind of bunch: we don't greet, we just say what's on our mind :)
<qwebirc16429>
was wondering whether the project in qi-hardware is still running as most of the info on the wiki are dated in 2011
<qwebirc16429>
wpwrak: thanks for the warning :)
<wpwrak>
well, which of the many little projects ? qi-hw is basically a collection of things
<wpwrak>
and yes, some things have fallen into disrepair
<qwebirc16429>
wpwrak: the ben nanonote
<wpwrak>
ah, that one is difficult. it still exists, some people are even getting new ones, but i don't see much development activity around it. and so far nobody is working on a successor.
<qwebirc16429>
wpwrak: i see...i'm interested to learn about hardware and was wondering which project are still active and kicking
<qwebirc16429>
wpwrak: thought of joining in a running project to learn about it and contribute time for it
<wpwrak>
let's see ... nanonote is all software these days, a lot of it in the kernel.
<wpwrak>
then there's anelok, which is small (1 person) but with potential to grow, there's mixxeo (1 person and a few helpful elves), there may be an fpgatools revival but i don't know if that one will involve actually making hardware
<wpwrak>
one projects that's being talked about here but that's independent from the qi-hw crowd is neo900.
<qwebirc16429>
can't seem to find info on anelok on the wiki page
<qwebirc16429>
neither is neo900
<qwebirc16429>
cool ... any page that i have a read about neo900 ?
<wpwrak>
one of these days i should write a proper build guide with all the dependencies ...
<nicksydney>
i can write it while doing it at the same time
<wpwrak>
... of course, since i'm the only one working on it at the moment, motivation is low :)
<wpwrak>
ah yes, that would be great
<wpwrak>
when starting from a working setup, you almost always miss some things
<nicksydney>
i'm confused these tools eda-tools, kicad-libs, ben-wpan, fped and cae-tools where is the repo...you point to projects.qi... website but there are many of those projects
<wpwrak>
eda-tools are a few helper programs. the most important one is "dsv", which takes care of managing the data sheets
<wpwrak>
(after you check out the anelok repo, you run "make dsv", which downloads all the data sheets the project uses. then you a) have a local cache of them, and b) can display them with short names, e.g., "dsv kl25" for the data sheet of the MCU)