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<wolfspraul>
I'm moving the buildhost (which also runs schhist) to a new server and building a new kicad in the process
<wolfspraul>
will use rev3493 which is the latest supported by eda-tools, I think
<wolfspraul>
this time I will not make a debian package first, but just build and install the kicad app directly (make install)
<wolfspraul>
let's see how it goes :-)
<roh>
hey wolfspraul
<wolfspraul>
hi!
<wolfspraul>
how are you (and gismo)?
<roh>
we are fine so far ;)
<wolfspraul>
I've been doing a little bit of mechanical experiments lately, nothing at your level though...
<wolfspraul>
first I bought a number of Japanese kids toys, they have interesting stuff
<roh>
its a daily struggle to be who we are, but we are kinda used to it by now ;)
<wolfspraul>
like rubbery plastics you can bend and stick together, or stiff plastic parts to build things
<roh>
nice.. actually.. i refurbished our lasercutter a bit recently
<wolfspraul>
and now I am using that flood of iphone5 cases and see what else (besides an iphone) I can fit inside :-)
<roh>
also we now have 3 different working 3d printers in the raumfahrtagentur by now.. and my milling knowledge is getting better in small stepps.
<wolfspraul>
something I just recently became more interested in are sewing machines, controlled by Linux of course
<wolfspraul>
do you know much about that?
<roh>
hehe.. nice.. if you find a useable one to hack tell us..
<wolfspraul>
I need to google a bit
<roh>
you know we got a textile work place inside the rfa as well?
<roh>
with a sewing machine.. which can do patterns.. but no external connection (those are much more expensive)
<roh>
a friend of us has hacked knitting machines.. to knit patterns and logos
<roh>
fabienne .. (fbz)
<wolfspraul>
interesting
<wolfspraul>
I see it just like a sewing robot and was hoping to be able to control everything :-)
<roh>
i think it was on hack-a-day somewhere
<wolfspraul>
not just upload some design in a complicated way and then have the machine do something, but a more immediate control in real-time
<roh>
hehe.. i like that i now see cnc machines everywhere.
<roh>
every printer.. atm... scanner...
<wolfspraul>
don't understand
<wolfspraul>
you see?
<roh>
even a car nowadays is more a computer with wheels than what it was 50 years ago.
<wolfspraul>
ah yes
<roh>
well.. when i started with cnc stuff i was looking at what people call cnc machines.. basically only a few tools.. mills.. lathes.. machining centers... etc.
<roh>
but to be precise.. we got em everywhere. all around us in the consumer world as well.
<roh>
which gives proof to the theory that making cnc stuff 'easier' and 'cheaper' to get em in every school and make people understand how to use them possible.
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<roh>
from my pov.. everything which is possible to automate when it comes to work/production/logistics etc will be at that point where the machine/the robot is cheaper in TCO. reality prooves that again and again recently.
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<roh>
so either we make the knowledge of how to use those machines, how they work and how to design them and for them publicly accessible for everybody or we will have a very poor majority and a very rich elite... and big tensions in society.
<wolfspraul>
I see you still have energy to tacke the really big problems ;-)
<wolfspraul>
tackle
<wolfspraul>
that is good
<roh>
since i dont believe that the gains of automatisation are distributed by the current industry/politics i think we need to do that bottom up.. and make everybody an industrialist. a producer and not only a consument.
<roh>
eh consumer
<roh>
well.. i'd say we live in interresting times.. and are fortunate enough that we have the time to think and talk about such stuff. somehow i feel that makes one responsible to also act respectively (within the powers one has)
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<roh>
and as long as i got enough customers to enable me to keep doing stuff with a open source mindset.. i will so :)
<roh>
currently its sadly just enough... could use some projects for the next year.
<wolfspraul>
did you just get up or still up?
<roh>
i got up at about 1am... 4hours ago
<wolfspraul>
ouch :-)
<wolfspraul>
treat your own machine well :-)
<wolfspraul>
any interesting new project you work on right now?
<roh>
i do.. i usually sleep without a alarm clock.. till i just wake up :)
<roh>
not really.. atleast none which i see that i can do them fulltime till done since their monetary feedback would be too small/slow
<roh>
i worked on our spdif mux a bit, but i need to find the time to actually finalize the design and order the pcbs to be made and write the software needed
<roh>
i would really like to do small embedded stuff which makes our lifes more like we were promised in the 80/90s ;)
<wolfspraul>
most people use smartphones for that, and they are doing wonders
<roh>
home automatisation stuff.. but different to the industry. with focus on cost, size, part availability and how one can realisticly retrofit them at usual existing buildings. also i dont like central control systems ;) so it will be decentralized and 'keep working' even if parts are destroyed/cut off.
<wolfspraul>
I'm looking more into IC design recently, would like to make my own chip :-)
<roh>
well.. so far there is no smartphone which survives my imap folder... x-]
<wolfspraul>
so after kicad, toped is next...
<roh>
hehe.. well.. who knows what a 10 year old chip making machine costs used?
<wolfspraul>
I think the entire process is long and involves many machines
<wolfspraul>
over 500 processing steps for a recent-gen process
<roh>
i think we have lots of fascinating opptortunities due to the commodotisation of quite high end fabrication technologies
<wolfspraul>
yes
<roh>
and what the opensource hw has shown me so far is that 'more experiments' happen when stuff is in the open
<roh>
so who knows what we might find out. maybe just nobody tried?
<wolfspraul>
nice, I was able to just 'apt-get -t unstable install fped' on the new server
<wolfspraul>
PROGRESS! :-)
<wolfspraul>
xiangfu: on the new server (called 'pertain'), I want to use /var/tmp better
<wolfspraul>
so let's move all temporary files into there, symlink from /home/user/tmp to /var/tmp/user etc.
<wolfspraul>
then I can backup the rest of the machine but not /var/tmp
<wolfspraul>
this is how I understood /var/tmp at least...
<xiangfu>
ok
<wolfspraul>
wpwrak: I am going to commit the qi-update-all script along with schhist, if you don't mind
<wolfspraul>
that's the best place to keep it. if you don't like it there then maybe another subfolder or even repo, but I think this should be fine... just fyi
<wolfspraul>
this time I only compiled and make installed the kicad binaries
<wolfspraul>
and then we have projects.qi-hardware.com/kicad-libs.git
<wpwrak>
the collection of components and modules that are used by default
<wolfspraul>
I also need to make install the /kicad/library you pointed to?
<wpwrak>
that is, unless you substitute them with things from our kicad-libs :)
<wolfspraul>
then I need to find a version that sort-of matches my 3493 I guess
<wpwrak>
but only very few projects are self-sufficient in that sense yet
<wpwrak>
it's just symbols and footprints, no code
<wolfspraul>
ok I will look into it
<wolfspraul>
thanks!
<wpwrak>
np :)
<wolfspraul>
if you don't mind you can have a quick look over projects.qi-hardware.com/schhist, whether anything looks bad
<wolfspraul>
I didn't re-enable the kernel-randomize_va_space setting yet
<wolfspraul>
and also no kicad-libs yet
<wolfspraul>
I will do kicad-libs first, then rebuild everything
<wolfspraul>
hopefully the randomize_va_space workaround is not needed anymore (3493 now instead of 2448)
<wpwrak>
starting with f32xbase_c2ben and below, i get "You don't have permission to access /schhist/f32xbase_c2ben/ on this server."
<wpwrak>
maybe it's still running ?
<wpwrak>
besides that, the only issue that sticks out are the missing "standard" components
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<wolfspraul>
hmm
<wolfspraul>
yes f32xbase_c2ben and labsw have strange permissions
<wolfspraul>
the others should be ok?
<wolfspraul>
some problem on my end, no worries
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<wolfspraul>
ok seems kicad-lib revision 120 is about as old as the sources rev 3493 (2012-04-07)
<wolfspraul>
so I will take kicad-libs r120...
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<wpwrak>
probably doesn't matter much. the library should be relatively static
<wpwrak>
btw, we have our own kicad-libs project, with just the same sort of content. so please be careful with the naming ;-)
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<wolfspraul>
well
<wolfspraul>
I just got the kicad-libs, cmake . make make install
<wolfspraul>
that installs to /usr/share/local/ or so
<wolfspraul>
/usr/local/share
<wolfspraul>
let's see how it all works now...
<wpwrak>
hmm, so far only the index page is there
<wolfspraul>
yes, be patient
<wpwrak>
:)
<wolfspraul>
announcement about fidelio (the server): I will soon delete the machine, it has been moved to a new machine
<wolfspraul>
we always clearly said all of the data on fidelio is considered tmp data without backups, but for those who have accounts there now may be a good time to speak up
<wolfspraul>
it's just a handful of accounts and they all look more or less unused for 1 year or more, with tens of gigabytes of temporary build files
<wolfspraul>
I will shutdown and delete the machine tomorrow or so, after it's all working properly on the new one...
<wpwrak>
downloads is ... turandot. whatever heathen deity that may be. phew :)
<wolfspraul>
now I abuse the hostname as a little English class, with words I noticed in a conversation... :-)
<wolfspraul>
such as 'pertain' or 'hunch'
<wpwrak>
;-)
<wolfspraul>
no I'm just talking about the buildhost
<wolfspraul>
it's all gigabytes of junk surely
<wpwrak>
(buildhost) yeah. just didn't know which roles which machine has.
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<wolfspra1l>
ok, latest version of the schhist histories should be rebuilt
<wolfspra1l>
this time including (both) kicad-libs, but not yet the va_randomizer workaround
<wolfspra1l>
hopefully that's not necessary anymore...
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<wolfspra1l>
calling it a day, will read backlog tmrw
<wolfspra1l>
n8
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<LunaVorax>
Hi
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