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<kyak> http://www.on-time.com/rtos-32-versus-linux.htm - is anyone in a mood to argue some of these points? I have a feeling that they are somewhat "wrong", but can't explain (to myself) why
<kyak> on-time rtos32 is some dos-compatible RTOD
<kyak> s/RTOD/RTOS
<qi-bot> kyak meant: "on-time rtos32 is some dos-compatible RTOS"
<kyak> and the newsgroup message they posted looks like a complete shit
<kyak> but maybe someone even tried that rtos32?
<kyak> they sell source, which is probably better than making it completely closed-source
<kyak> probably it has even leaked by now
<viric> hm I think linux has to be booted from ram, yes
<viric> And I don't know how the realtime tasks work... whether the api is available or not for them
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<kyak> well. i'm 95% sure that there are more linux-based real-time embedded systems, than based on on-time rtos
<kyak> are the developers of these systems so stupid? because according to rtos32 comparison, linux is not competitive :)
<kyak> and besides... "x86" and "embedded" are sort of different worlds.. at least how i imagined it until now
<mth> the issue might be that people use "real time" in very different ways
<mth> often just having low latency is good enough
<mth> but if you really must prove that a system will always meet its deadlines then Linux might not be the best choice
<mth> for example in a car network Linux would be fine for the navigation and entertainment parts, but not suitable for the part directly involved in driving
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<kyak> mth: i agree.. but not that rtos32 is used anywhere is car's ECU :) it's not x86
<kyak> i can imagine it running as some automation control at a plant, probably
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<viric> ECU?
<viric> kyak: is that what I asked yesterday? ""One 450g eCu (copper) block"
<viric> kyak: I think that as embedded OS, ecos is quite popular
<viric> embedded rtos
<viric> I never heard rtos32
<viric> (which means quite little)
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<kyak> viric: ECU stands for Electronic (or Engine) Control Unit in automotive :)
<kyak> eCos, hm
<viric> ahh
<viric> I've seen ecos code in two firmwares of my TV-DVB decoders
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<qi-bot> Gerard Braad — 吉拉德: @jukkaeklund @leinir @Texrat not a bad idea. a little like @qihardware and the Milkymist ( 158933231222272000@gbraad - 13s ago via web )
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<kyak> !stat
<qi-bot> kyak: 53662 words, 312805 letters, 5808 lines, 9.24 words/line, 24 actions, 1072 smilies, 974 questions, 89 joins, 0 kicks, 0 modes, 0 nicks, 0 topics, time wasted: 48 weeks 20 hours 23 minutes , 83.52 idle-factor.
<kyak> !top10
<qi-bot> Top10(words): 1. wpwrak(244374) 2. wolfsprau(156197) 3. kristianpaul(74176) 4. DocScrutinizer(54859) 5. kyak(53663) 6. wolfspraul(44203) 7. roh(35289) 8. whitequark(34613) 9. tuxbrain(31082) 10. dvdk(28294)
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* kristianpaul dont trust the stats
<viric> finally I found a null-modem DB9 cable!
<kristianpaul> found?
<viric> I've been looking for it in boxes of cables during 30 minutes
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<kristianpaul> why youdint have it connected to your serial port already? :)
<viric> I rarely have to use 12V serial ports
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<Artyom> kristianpaul: hi, are you here?
<kristianpaul> yes
<kristianpaul> hello!
<kristianpaul> i been readng your logs
<kristianpaul> and recently code :)
<Artyom> Have you seen my namuru-wishbone-port on googlecode?
<kristianpaul> yes
<kristianpaul> one inside milkymist_gnsssdr_port right?
<kristianpaul> isquite simpler than mine, i think i added troubles with the fsm...
<kristianpaul> s/troubles/more lines
<qi-bot> kristianpaul meant: "isquite simpler than mine, i think i added more lines with the fsm..."
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<kristianpaul> well i based the code not in bram ;)
<kristianpaul> s/based/forked
<qi-bot> kristianpaul meant: "well i forked the code not in bram ;)"
<Artyom> yeah, very simple ;) Like bram. You can test program for MM SoC now ;)
<kristianpaul> yup, heading to it this week
* kristianpaul wish can carry its M1 to all palces
<kristianpaul> btw the test program you need fix something?
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<kristianpaul> to use milkymist timers to measure time or such_
<kristianpaul> s/_/?
<qi-bot> kristianpaul meant: "to use milkymist timers to measure time or such?"
<Artyom> You mean program in GPS folder? It's the same as earlier. (Some minor unimoprtant additions were made for debug purposes)
<Artyom> The program is very simple. It only tries to acquire a predefined satellite (You should correct correlator_init() function)
<kristianpaul> yes that one
<kristianpaul> yes sure
<kristianpaul> actually i fixed my code back how namuru upstream was
<kristianpaul> also less issues when dealing with more functions from osgps (in order to get a fix)
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<qwebirc52049> hello
<qwebirc52049> i am new here and any one can help me how to use this make file ?
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<qwebirc52049> i am new here and any one can help me how to use this make file ?
<wolfspraul> Artyom: I had one question about your expansion thoughts. Why do you need 50-80 io pins. Why that many / which use cases?
<wolfspraul> (oh sorry, should have asked on #milkymist, I can repost there or you answer here, doesn't matter much)
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<qwebirc52049> i am trying to install mpg123 on my MI424WR
<Jay7> 50-80 gpio.. keyboard? :)
<qwebirc52049> any one please ...
<Artyom> wolfspraul: I have alread answered half an hour ago ;)
<Artyom> on milkymist channel
<qwebirc52049> Artyom
<qwebirc52049> do you know how to use make file
<wolfspraul> Artyom: oh, I apologize, let me check there...
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<Artyom> qwebirc: sorry, I'm afraid I can not unswer on your question... I don't know/use mpg123 and MI424WR
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<Artyom> Or you just never used any make files?
<qwebirc52049> i compile openwrt for mu router
<qwebirc52049> and i installed asterisk 18
<qwebirc52049> i like to install mpg123 for online stream to dump in asterisk
<qwebirc52049> so i can listen music or news
<qwebirc52049> mpg123 is not included in openwrt
<qwebirc52049> i just found make file here
<Artyom> qwebirc: Sorry, I can not help you. I'm new here and I don't use things that you have mentioned...
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<qwebirc52049> Thanks
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