<oliv3r>
libv: I can understand going the defensive route, normaly that can be valid; but in this case, they've been working on it for ages, and made a specific decision to call it 'OSHW' or atleast used the logo, so they could have had it all prepared in time
<oliv3r>
libv: that said, maybe their mistake was thinking 'OSHW' means, 'runs GPL code'
<libv>
oliv3r: nope, they clearly stated that because they used cadence allegro, they can't be bothered to make all files available
<oliv3r>
ah nvm then ( i admit i haven't followed it all closely'
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<arokux>
oliv3r: do you know something of SDIO?
<oliv3r>
libv: do you know if connor got his CubieTruck at all?
<oliv3r>
arokux: nada, i do know mripard was working on it for mainline
<arokux>
can it be used to read off chip id, like in usb case?
<oliv3r>
i think it should be able to
<libv>
oliv3r: not to my knowledge, but he got a cubieboard2 just a few months before it
<arokux>
[unrelated] what is TSD?
<oliv3r>
ah so he did get that good
<oliv3r>
arokux: embedded mmc
<oliv3r>
arokux: e.g. SD card in a chip-package
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<arokux>
oliv3r: cubietruck has embedded sd card?!
<oliv3r>
libv: i just read your fosdem dev room thing and saw his name as allready accepted so remembered it :)
<TheSeven>
speaking of nand... why isn't there any source code available that is compatible with olimex's android images?
<TheSeven>
am I really forced to use the uboot that they shipped?
<arokux>
TheSeven: if you want to boot from NAND - yes.
<TheSeven>
why is the source code for the "old" A10 nand driver available, but not the one used in the A20 images?
<arokux>
TheSeven: which images?
<TheSeven>
olimex a20 android 4.2.2
<TheSeven>
the differences seem to be somewhat minimal, but incompatible. i don't really see a point in not releasing the new source code
<arokux>
TheSeven: it is #linux-sunxi here and I suppose only Tsvetan - which is the guy from Olimex will know the answer.
<TheSeven>
in the sourcecode of that android image there's just a "libnand" blob
<TheSeven>
do you happen to know what other images for a20 use?
<arokux>
TheSeven: every distro you can imagine :)
<TheSeven>
well, which driver do they use? or none at all?
<arokux>
TheSeven: for NAND?
<TheSeven>
yes
<arokux>
no idea, ask oliv3r
<arokux>
TheSeven: what I know that Allwinner emulates a block device with its driver...
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<arokux>
TheSeven: do you want to improve things or just looking for a solution of your current problem?
<TheSeven>
yes, and they apparently changed the data structures used by that emulation layer in an incompatible way
<TheSeven>
both
<oliv3r>
arokux: when I wrote that page, it wasn' ti u-boot yet :p
<oliv3r>
anyway, i'm not sure it's right anyway, I think io-width should be 8bit
<TomiK>
hello, goooooooooood morning u-boot
<TomiK>
:)
<oliv3r>
but i need to talk to hno and remind myself why that was; i keep forgetting the io-width, buswidht and number of chip relation
<oliv3r>
TomiK: hey
<TomiK>
:)
<TomiK>
oliv3r> oh
<TomiK>
:)
<TomiK>
how are you today ?
<oliv3r>
TheSeven: because olimex pre-installs the image 'as is' from Allwinner
<TheSeven>
I'm currently attempting to get that nand driver ported to sunxi uboot, and just realized that there isn't even any compatible source code, unlike for a10
<oliv3r>
since it's really only used for testing if everything works as expected
<oliv3r>
if he would ship with 3.4 pre-installed; chances are something at some point may not work
<oliv3r>
and then it's hard to troubleshoot
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<oliv3r>
with 3.3, you know the hardware works; since most users will use SD card most of the time, that's 'ok'
<TheSeven>
I'm open to suggestions for other android images of course, if they work well on the olimex a20 board and have reasonable feature coverage
<arokux>
oliv3r: good, I remove that section.
<oliv3r>
other then allwinner images, there are no android images
<oliv3r>
atsampson gave up on android :()
<TheSeven>
IIUC that image uses 3.0.8 with a newer nand driver that is incopatible with a20-lichee-dev uboot
<oliv3r>
currently, linux-sunxi + nand is kinda a no-go; you can get things working, but you are tied to allwinner boot0/1
<oliv3r>
mtd is progressing, but slowly
<TheSeven>
i'd accept being tied to boot0/1 for now
<TheSeven>
even though I don't really see what's preventing me from getting rid of them
<TheSeven>
uboot spl seems to mostly work, if only I had the correct nand source code
<oliv3r>
TheSeven: no nand support in our u-boot pretty much is it
<TheSeven>
porting that from lichee isn't terribly hard
<TheSeven>
or at least it wasn't on a10
<oliv3r>
TheSeven: once mtd support get merged into u-boot we can atleast offer nand support via mtd
<oliv3r>
we won't put libnand into u-boot
<TheSeven>
not into the official one of course... but that doesn't prevent me from doing it on my github
<TomiK>
I copied everything which is relative to sunxi to sun3i to port it, and I wonder if I can rename the struct fields ? because the aren't used for the same thing
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<oliv3r>
TomiK: can you be a little more specific? I understand you wanty to add sun3i support to u-boot; but which structs specifically :)
<TomiK>
oliv3r> sunxi_ccm_reg by example
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<TheSeven>
so there really isn't any source code for a20 libnand?
<oliv3r>
ccm = clock controller module
<oliv3r>
TheSeven: of course there is
<TheSeven>
i haven't found any
<oliv3r>
TheSeven: should have been merged into sunxi ages ago if i recall correctly
<TheSeven>
sunxi what? linux? uboot?
<oliv3r>
TheSeven: if it's not on the wiki; check irclog
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<oliv3r>
stage/sunxi-3.4
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<oliv3r>
u-boot doesn't do nand; so not there
<TheSeven>
hm, I'll take a look
<oliv3r>
TomiK: does the datasheet speak of ccm? are there (obvious) differences there?
<oliv3r>
TomiK: ideally that you can show me :)
<arokux>
is there a datasheet of sun3i?!
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<oliv3r>
arokux: sun3i = F20, i think we have it
<oliv3r>
but nobody has hardware
<arokux>
ok...
<oliv3r>
except TomiK ;)
<TheSeven>
oliv3r: a quick look suggests that this is the same one as in lichee uboot, which is incompatible to the libnand blob
<TheSeven>
different format of the log block table structure, and probably other differences as well
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<oliv3r>
TheSeven: yeah i recall there being differences; highly annoying
<TomiK>
oliv3r> the F20 datasheet is very poor, the only doc I use is a french blog, and by example the first field of sunxi_ccm_reg struct is used to configure Core Pll
<TheSeven>
and i haven't found any code that matches what i have on my flash so far
<oliv3r>
TomiK: ah ok, sun4i, 5 and 7i i think have a pretty much identical CCM
<TomiK>
ok
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<oliv3r>
so put it behind a sun3i ifdef and change the struct
<oliv3r>
but you'll have to add a lot of ifdef's
<TomiK>
ok :)
<TomiK>
if fact, I was simplest for me to create a directory sun3i
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<oliv3r>
depends on how big those differences end up being
<TomiK>
ok
<TomiK>
or maybe can I work in my sun3i directory and debug like this and transfert everything in sunxi with #ifdefs when I will work
<wens>
no luck with gigabit today, registers and clocks matched up, still nothing :(
<oliv3r>
TomiK: of course that'll work too :)
<oliv3r>
TomiK: first you gotta get it working ;)
<oliv3r>
step 1; spl :D
<TomiK>
okay :)
<oliv3r>
wens: :(
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<TomiK>
oki thx a lot :)
<arokux>
wens: but sunxi-3.4 works, right?
<TomiK>
bakc to the code, have a nice day, all :)
<TomiK>
*back
<oliv3r>
TomiK: good good luck!
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<TomiK>
oliv3r> thanks :)
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<wens>
arokux: yes, but register dumps look the same :(
<arokux>
wens: I see.
<arokux>
anybody tried bluetooth on CT?
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<oliv3r>
mnemoc: ping
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<oliv3r>
andboy noticed output/lib/firmware/ti_3410.fw missing in sun7i_defconfig?
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<TheSeven>
hm, now I got sunxi uboot to link against the nand blob, but it still doesn't work
<TheSeven>
gets much further, but fails while checksumming the partition table
<TheSeven>
the whole log block init stuff looks good though
<TheSeven>
so it can apparently read from the flash
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<oliv3r>
TheSeven: i think mnemoc uploaded a20 nand source somewhere, otherwise lkcl should know
<TheSeven>
there's some code in the a20-lichee-dev branch of sunxi-uboot, but it doesn't match the blob
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<TomiK>
ok to adapt SPL, which information do I need ? and which file to modify ?
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<oliv3r>
TomiK: normally, you have to only change the dram settings to get your board supported in boards/sunxi/dram_sun3i.c
<TomiK>
ok thanks :)
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<oliv3r>
TomiK: but you don't even have to look at dram changes if you don't evne get SPL up; spl should print something, then you're good to go
<TomiK>
ok, but it doesn't print me anything :/
<TomiK>
on the serial port
<oliv3r>
then don't even bother looking for dram changes, you still need to check if your uart is configured properly and if the pll's (ccm) is setup correctly
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<TomiK>
I believe it's correctly configured, I tested the ccm's config with my dummy bootloader it worked
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<TheSeven>
TomiK: try to make a loop that blinks an LED (if available) somewhere very early in the code, then move it until it gets stuck
<TomiK>
oki :) good idea
<wens>
oliv3r: do you think ahci_platform glue (imx or sunxi) is hack-ish?
<wens>
oliv3r: i am using the same method for stmmac. seems to save a lot of duplicate code
<oliv3r>
wens: yes :)
<oliv3r>
wens: i was thinking of trying ahci_platform_register();
<oliv3r>
wens: if you look at how mripard added support to the marvel IP for i2c is the proper way
<wens>
oliv3r: is there such a function?
<wens>
oh
<oliv3r>
wens: trying to add*
<oliv3r>
if you look at the sunxi way, there's like 90% duplicated code
<wens>
stmmac already has a stmmac_dvr_probe, shared between pci and platform drivers
<wens>
but then i'd have to copy DT stuff from the platform driver :(
<oliv3r>
anybody building 3.4 kernel with gcc 4.7.3?
<oliv3r>
gcc: error: unrecognized command line option ‘-mlittle-endian’ kinda worries me a little :p
<wens>
seems like using DT .data is a nice way. i can keep the code in a seperate file, and just touch the compatible string in stmmac
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<oliv3r>
TheSeven: wow, smeone's math skills fial
<oliv3r>
like my typing skills
<wens>
i've seen something similar....
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<oliv3r>
something goes wrong with stage/sunxi-3.4 build and not sure ifit's an upstream bug yet, i have to build my kernel twice, first time fails on the firmware i linked above, second time it goes through happily
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<TheSeven>
oliv3r: are you building with -j?
<oliv3r>
always!
<TheSeven>
if yes, it might be a missing dependency rule
<oliv3r>
the bsp does it by default
<TheSeven>
does it occur if you don't use -j?
<oliv3r>
yeah i may very much have been fixed upstream; but 3.4 is just so old!
<oliv3r>
lemme tr y and see
<TheSeven>
if it's a dependency issue, it will either disappear or fail consistently then
<TheSeven>
if it still works on the second attempt, it's something else
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<oliv3r>
building with -j1
<oliv3r>
it's been so long since i tried 3.4 :)
<arokux>
TheSeven: which hw do you have, just curious.
<TheSeven>
cubieboard a10 and olinuxino a20
<TheSeven>
messing with the a20 right now
<arokux>
I see
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<bennhuang>
what we can expected for GPU/Cedarx from allwinner? I mean next chip A80
<oliv3r>
A80 will be powerVR; so not really looking forward to that ;)
<oliv3r>
my hopes are on A60
<oliv3r>
which might be mali
<oliv3r>
i think they both will have newer version of CEdarX; if they are hugly different or just faster/more efficient remains to be known
<bennhuang>
oliv3r: If we can have powerVR linux opengl es blobs for A80, will that change anything ?
<bennhuang>
oliv3r: allwinner will have mali GPU, I am quite sure about that.
<rz2k>
bennhuang: no, because powervr has extremely comlicated Xorg ecosystem
<rz2k>
it needs replacing of your xorg version including supporting libraries and etc.
<rz2k>
in two words: forget about it.
<oliv3r>
bennhuang: not likly; as they are still just that, blobs :)
<torbenh3>
and the powervr kernel driver is a big lump of shit also :S
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<bennhuan`>
#oliv3r: An allwinner's marketing managers will meet us the day after tomorrow, And want me to give him some suggestion aaa
<bennhuan`>
oliv3r: An allwinner's marketing managers will meet us the day
<bennhuan`>
after tomorrow, And want me to give him some suggestion about the GPU/Cedarx
<TomiK>
an idiot question, to build SPL, I just need to write "sun3i:SPL" in the options of the boards.cfg ?
<oliv3r>
TomiK: i think so yeah
<libv>
bennhuan`: no more pvr, it's hurting allwinners image and community acceptance
<bennhuan`>
oliv3r: Maybe allwinner want to provide better binary GPU/Cedarx blobs~
<TomiK>
oliv3r> okay thx
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<oliv3r>
bennhuan`: binnary blobs aren't really going to be accepted in any shape or form, just look what happened to mali/cedarX; both are being reverse engineerd so we don't need blobs anymore :)
<oliv3r>
bennhuan`: and AW can't really get better blobs for GPU, as they get those themsevlves
<oliv3r>
bennhuan`: and cedarX has been a huge mess for years
<bennhuan`>
oliv3r: Get it. But what we can ask for more ? I can talk to them...:D
<libv>
wasn't there the nand issue for which we still need something for uboot?
<oliv3r>
bennhuan`: documentation on missing parts; documentation early so we can start early.
<oliv3r>
bennhuan`: I think most developers are 'ok' with keeping the docs secret until after the release of the chip
<oliv3r>
libv: we need docs to get the mtd driver to work better
<oliv3r>
bennhuan`: but as with everything, docs, docs docs.
<oliv3r>
bennhuan`: and when asking for docs for CedarX, it's only needed to make the reverse engineerd version better then what it is now, we know pretty much all its secrets
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<atsampson>
are there any other features we could use more information about (e.g. 2D graphics)?
<bennhuan`>
oliv3r: I think it is impossible to get the cedarx docs. Try to get a more stable binary libraries with friendly API will be acceptable for allwinner. And with that libraries, RE will possible move on.
<oliv3r>
2D/disp is pretty well documented for sun5i
<bennhuan`>
we need to get as much as possible, and also we need to consider the reality :D
<oliv3r>
bennhuan`: well cedarX userspace is GPL infringing, so they are required to release source by law :p
<libv>
bennhuan`: i do not know any open questions on display or 2d, but we haven't gotten round yet to fixing those bits up
<enrico_>
bennhuan`: maybe ask for a developer contact we can send requests, and make him not trash them?
<oliv3r>
bennhuan`: but the binaries luckly won't be needed soon *yay*
<libv>
bennhuan`: i know this is impossible to ask, but they should really consider moving away from powervr, and either go mali or vivante for the whole range
<libv>
bennhuan`: i do not know the reasons for you guys working on radxa and rockchip, but i could imagine that powervr has something to do with it
<bennhuan`>
oliv3r: maybe too optimism. A80 of course will have change to Cedarx
<oliv3r>
or adreno! but that's not possible ;)
<bennhuan`>
oliver: i mean hardware
<oliv3r>
bennhuan`: yeah it'll be cedarX v5 i think
<oliv3r>
bennhuan`: but true, better binaries help RE-ing better ;)
<bennhuan`>
oliv3r: yep, maybe much more powerful
<oliv3r>
if the registers are nearly the same, they can make it more powerfull (quad HD) and still call it 'v5'
<bennhuan`>
libv: I am not working on radxa or any other 3188 chip.
<oliv3r>
rockchip is much worse then allwinner
<bennhuan`>
oliv3r: yep. it's illegal to open the rockchip's source code afaik
<bennhuan`>
rockchip will require you to sign NDA :D
<oliv3r>
bennhuan`: really? wow, well they did dump some code and did leak the user manual
<oliv3r>
but u-boot is completly closed at the moment
<oliv3r>
which is illegal and unacceptable ;)
<libv>
bennhuan`: ok, but tom is working on it :)
<bennhuan`>
oliv3r: actually, cubietech is a design house of rockchip. We can get SDK from rockchip. But we have sign DNA with rockchip, so we cannot public it :D
<bennhuan`>
oliv3r: and we even havn't touched the docs they provided :P
<oliv3r>
hometime :)
<bennhuan`>
enrico_: we have developer contact, but they don't want many people to contact allwinner
<bennhuan`>
enrico_: If you want some support, you can email me
<bennhuan`>
enrico_: allwinner give cubietech two FAE contact
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<bennhuan`>
enrico_: but most of time, I just don't want to bother them
<bennhuan`>
libv: yes. I knew but I don't understand
<bennhuan`>
libv: 5 month ago, tom told me he want to leave for shenzhen because of his wife, but did not tell me he want to start radxa..
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<bennhuan`>
libv: he is still a member of cubietech, but start radxa to kill cubieboard ? I don't understand~and will never understand what is he thinking
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<enrico_>
bennhuan`: ok thanks
<bennhuan`>
oliv3r: it's a risk to public the source code
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<bennhuan`>
oliv3r: and bless rockchip will not charge them. or rockchip think they are too weak to charge :D
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<nove>
bennhuan`, ask for vp9, h265, and if allwinner was the first to have a hardware implementation of Daala
<bennhuan`>
nove: any others ?
<bennhuan`>
nove: I've written down your suggestion :D
<nove>
bennhuan`, h264 High 10 Profile (Hi10P), but is too late
<nove>
bennhuan`, better to be ready for the new codecs
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<nove>
bennhuan`, if allwinner worked with mozilla and Xiph.Org in Daala codec, to be the ones to do the hardware implementation, and if were open source
<nove>
bennhuan`, that that were perfect
<libv>
nove: cedarx is a bought core
<bennhuan`>
nove: Let me google for Daala, I don't know any about that
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<nove>
libv, it is enough if allwinner has a say for new features
<bennhuan`>
nove: what you are suggesting are almost about the new features. I also want to know about the Video Enc/Dec API suggestion..
<libv>
are we able to run wayland against our mali binaries today?
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<hramrach>
I suspect nobody cares enough about wayland to try
<hramrach>
how do you even run that thing?
<TheSeven>
hramrach: the blob seems to be mostly working inside sunxi uboot
<TheSeven>
oddly enough the blob didn't quite match my on-flash format either, so even that blob can't quite be the source of whatever binary image olimex released
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<hramrach>
there are two nand image formats
<TheSeven>
but as there seemed to be only a difference with the partition table, this was somewhat easy to fix
<hramrach>
the sun4i and the sun6i
<TheSeven>
the code in question was simple enough to just adapt from the sun4i variant and replace the object code inside the blob for that module
<hramrach>
not sure if there is difference in anything but partition table
<TheSeven>
the log block table structure has changed as well, that was what I ran into yesterday
<TheSeven>
the binary image uses 24 byte table entries (not quite sure what the contents are), while the open source sun4i driver uses 8 byte entries
<hramrach>
why does u-boot not patch my MAC address?
<libv>
wouldn't the improv community be the linux-sunxi community, or am i missing something?
<Turl>
libv: ask lkcl :)
<Turl>
hramrach: uboot->what?
<libv>
i see community mentioned quite a lot, but for some reason we are not mentioned
<lkcl>
libv: que?
<lkcl>
Turl: que?
<libv>
sure, we started life hanging around in #arm-netbook
<Turl>
libv: we're mentioned somewhere, I saw a link to linux-sunxi
<libv>
but we grew out of that into something wider
<Turl>
hramrach: changing that mask without adjusting the dt is trouble
<hramrach>
yes, see that in local diff too
<arokux2>
that should be gmac, right?
<Turl>
arokux2: there was someone with a similar trace on the list I think
<arokux2>
Turl: oh
<hramrach>
that mask should have not changed
<arokux2>
Turl: nope
<arokux2>
hramrach: what does not init for you?
<hramrach>
sunxi ehci driver
<hno>
arokux, maz, oliv3r, and others interested in u-boot. I just pushed updated u-boot sources. Please test & verify. Have only run basic compiletest here.
<Turl>
arokux2: I cannot find it now but I'm pretty sure I saw it somewhere :/