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<pie_> i havent done my research yet, how feasible is interference lithography @ home ?
<SpeedEvil> In principle, very.
<SpeedEvil> Holography is regularly done by amateurs
<pie_> sweet.
<pie_> whats the catch?
<pie_> lasers tend to be pretty expensive, but meh, its probably worth it.
<pie_> also, whats the practical resolution? (i forgot what its called, the size of circuit features)
<pie_> of course when you get down to small features you gon' need some serious vibration damping i imagine
<SpeedEvil> interference will only simply get you half a wavelength of light
<SpeedEvil> so ~300nm
<pie_> thats still pretty good though no?
<pie_> valid point though
<SpeedEvil> Simple interference lets you make gratings. not ICs
<pie_> so...im guessing you need a very thin beam?
<pie_> and even then, the lased area wont be homogeneous obviously.
<pie_> though that could be a plus, if the wash material removes "weaker" areas faster, you could maybe get smaller feature size, though that seems unreliable
<pie_> of course that could just mean spacing between components would grow, idk if you could actually pack components denser like that
<pie_> anyway, i gotta run, thanks for the input.
<Sync> well it always depends on what process you use
<Sync> with contact masks 1µ strucutres are not too much of an issue
<Sync> the same if you use direct laser
<SpeedEvil> yeah.
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<pie_> the article makes it sound like a pretty crappy format https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDSII
<Sync> it is, but it works
<pie_> i feel like just g/bzipping human readable files wouldnt be too bad or something
<Sync> tell that to the people who developed the formats 40 years ago
<pie_> am i wrong though?
<pie_> streams dont seem like a bright idea for a database to begin with, though to be fair idk how database files are implemented in any case...i should check that out once
<Sync> you know why they are streams?
<pie_> no. why?
<Sync> how did you exchange large amounts of data in the old days?
<pie_> i was thinking the alternative to a stream was still a binary blob, just split up into blocks or something...
<pie_> dial-up :P
<Sync> nah
<Sync> on tapes
<pie_> with any luck.
<pie_> ah
<Sync> and seeking on tapes sucks hard
<pie_> right, the article mentioned tapes.
* SpeedEvil mehs.
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<Sync> so you had to have it as a stream
* SpeedEvil got all excited about a new idea for microsat thruster that I now realise could be redefined as 'ideal dirty bomb'
<Sync> otherwise throughput would have sucked even more
<pie_> but i mean its not like its some hugeass database (i guess?), so why make it a databes to begin with?
<pie_> though i guess you could say any kind of file is a database
<pie_> stretching it a bit in some cases...
<SpeedEvil> (Take a few tens of grams of nanometer dust of polonium-210, and put it in an electric/magnetic field to extract the fission products at ~0.5C
<Sync> well, I think they used it because databases were quite advaned back then
<pie_> well nuclear propolsion is probably pretty good, but people dont like the idea of irradiating ALL THE THINGS
<Sync> and you could easily deal with them
<pie_> hm.
<SpeedEvil> Err - wrong channel
<SpeedEvil> I meant - #highaltitude, where it's somewhat on-topic :)
<pie_> ok, crazy idea that just popped into my head
<pie_> so people generally need to make a one time-use mask for lithography, but what about placing some kind of ...say, transparent lcd which can be programmed in front of the lens?
<pie_> instead of a "hard" mask
<pie_> (i dont actually spend all day speculating :P)
<SpeedEvil> DPI
<pie_> SpeedEvil: as in dots per inch?
<pie_> i was thinking pixel size is probably going to be an issue
<pie_> or you need large optics
<pie_> hmmm
<pie_> at what scale do lens aberrations become important?
<pie_> though i guess that depends on how shitty one's lenses are
<Sync> well, it becomes very interesting at sub 250nm
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<mjgardes> I recognize some of these names
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