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<superkuh> Do you think such a thing as a 3/4" NPT to KF-40 adapter exists? So far I cannot find one.
<superkuh> Closest find was a 1/4" NPT to KF-16.
<superkuh> Or 1" NPT to KF-40.
<superkuh> I suppose given that spread one likely exists.
<superkuh> Oh. lesker has them. How did I miss that before...
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<Noxz> so, interested in the direct laser exposure system.. looks like the smallest ball screw (I know leadscrew is listed) that I can find has a 1mm pitch.. combined with a 0.9deg (400 step) stepper would give a resolution of 2.5micron.. curious if that is enough.. I would think it would certainly be better than the leadscrew alternative, also much more expensive ($100+ for each axis)
<Noxz> and maybe if the controller has microstepping then you should be able to get somewhat better resolution
<Noxz> would probably come down to the resolution of the laser point, and how fast on/off can be
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<diginet> Noxz: I highly doubt you could get to 2.5micron with open loop
<diginet> you'd probably need closed loop linear motors to get that kind of resolution
<SpeedEvil> Resolution - great.
<SpeedEvil> accuracy is a whole different thing
<diginet> yeah, that too
<Noxz> which is why I was looking at ballscres instead of leadscrews
<diginet> Noxz: even stil
<diginet> *still
<Noxz> going in the right direction?
<diginet> Noxz: maybe, I still think that ballscrews even would have too much backlash
<diginet> IIRC most micro-positioning stages use linear motors or voice coils
<Noxz> even with an anti backlash screw?
<diginet> (or even piezos if you want to get really expensive)
<diginet> probably yes
<Noxz> what should the working area be? probably no more than 20mm ?
<diginet> sounds about right I suppose
<diginet> I still think you'd have more luck with film photomasks, though I can can certainly understand the appeal of a direct write laser system
<diginet> another option that I've seen is used a projector through a microscope
<diginet> you can get about 10micron with that
<Noxz> hrm
<diginet> another problem is drift, since a direct write system is going to be slow
<Noxz> define drift in this context, please?
* SpeedEvil would really like a 100:1 pair of hands
<Noxz> heh
<SpeedEvil> To be able to directly screw with small stuff
<diginet> As I understand it, it's hard to get absolute positioning over a long period of time because the substrate will shift around due to things like vibrations
<diginet> (sorry for the poor/imprecise definition)
<Noxz> so, use some kinda glue?
<SpeedEvil> duct tape
<Noxz> double sided scotch tape
<diginet> Noxz: at the sizes we're talking about, walking near it softly could be enough
<diginet> (maybe, could be wrong on that)
<Noxz> I wonder how silicon valley handles the occaisional earthwuake
<diginet> keep in mind it's less of an issue for photomasks, since it exposes very quickly
<diginet> also you can get vibration damping tables
<diginet> (like for optics)
<diginet> but they're expensive
<diginet> some holographers have built sand tables before, which supposedly help
<Noxz> CNCs sometimes have an epoxy/granite base to reduce vibrations
<Noxz> big routers
<diginet> Noxz: yeah those would probably work too
<diginet> I've also seen people use tires
<Noxz> they use recycled tired under the trolley tracks
<Noxz> smigin': an extremely small unit of measure
<Noxz> a quick search landed me here: http://search.newport.com/?q=*&x2=sku&q2=8302 .. I guess if you have the money.. it all depends what you want out of it
<diginet> keep in mind, that only has 1in travel
<diginet> which might be find for your needs, but can be limiting
<Noxz> right, my needs are to make a tiny mechanical watch
<Noxz> not MEMS
<Noxz> but, using similar techniques
<Noxz> also, need vs want
<Noxz> having a vacuum would be more important for a photomask, to get good exposure and not have any artifacts, correct?
<diginet> maybe, I'm not sure tbh
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